Socialists United... Have You Joined?

There's a group here on Sodahead that I keep being invited to and that a friend of mine accepted just to see who was there. What he found he said proves what I have been saying is true because many of it's members claim to be Liberals and Progressives but everywhere else deny they are Socialists or Communists.

From the beginning of Liberalism in this country, there has been a problem where Liberals did not want to associate or be part of the Socialist / Communist movements. There is proof that Liberals we what we would call "rightwing" Liberals because those opposed to Socialism and Communism were "to the right" of these leftwing movements even if they themselves embraced leftwing views. But these Liberals were only majority leftwing and many of them may have, in fact, been majority rightwing in their views at the time.

The problem was that as these Socialist and Communist groups emerged and collapsed, they joined the Democrat Party where they claimed to be Liberals and Progressives. The Communist elements began calling themselves Progressives because they viewed their cause as progressive but everything else in this country, they basically spat on which is why Progressives began to be further and further isolated. As I point out, Progressive Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt and JD Rockefeller prove Progressives weren't all like this, there were rightwing Progressives as well who supported progress... the progress of industry, progress of wealth gathering, progress for social change and yet... they used government only to a degree to achieve their cause and then removed government turning things over to the private sector where it could be.

But the rightwing Liberals saw this happening and during the Great Depression, they broke away calling themselves New Conservatives... the future Neoconservative Democrats who would continue calling themselves Neocon and Liberal interchangeably not wishing to give up on their rightwing Liberal identity until they gave up on the Democrats altogether as the Republicans moved hard right in the 60's and the Democrats seemed doomed to fall completely to the left as rightwing Democrats failed to purge themselves of Socialists and Communists.

The Socialist Party of America formed in 1901 and by the 1960's, this once powerful third party had virtually no members left as they had all become Democrats calling themselves Liberals. True Liberals had stood against Socialism and Communism. In fact, most of the legislation written during the Red Scare was written by Liberals like Ronald Reagan who was working in Hollywood reporting Communists and Socialists trying to use Hollywood to influence America moviegoers. When the SPA finally dissolved, all of it's members became Liberal Democrats and seeing this take place led the Neocons to become Republicans. True Liberals began becoming Moderates swelling the number of Moderates in the Democratic Party and Centrist Democrats because between 30% to 40% of their views are rightwing.

What the left doesn't understand is that by proclaiming themselves leftwing within the Democratic Party means you are viewed as Socialist or Communist even by fellow Democrats. The problem with Socialism is that Socialists are almost entirely leftwing where Communists are entirely leftwing... but the vast overwhelming majority of Americans are rightwing or right leaning.

Thus, the left always acts confused why so many Americans oppose them... it's because if you align with the devil then you become the devils seed sowers and while this is a metaphor atheists would disapprove, it is a metaphor they nonetheless understand. Americans do have support for social idealism, we just don't have support for what Socialists themselves believe and promote.

In studying how left and right like to attack one another as Fascists and Nazi's, it's ironic that neither sides explores what this actually means.

The Nazi's were a workers union. The Brownshirts were overwhelmingly leftwing. It was largely because the Brownshirts were leftwing that the largely rightwing German military required they be brought down by Hitler to have their support... thus, the Night of Long Knives where Hitler purged the leadership of the Brownshirts. Remember, at this time it was thought by many on the right that Hitler could be controlled which is what Fritz von Papen thought when he proposed Hitler be made Chancellor of Germany to Hindenburg (because Papen was the former Chancellor who saw Hitler as a puppet for him to regain power). The German people were also majority rightwing by a huge margin... this is why many historians try to claim the Nazi's were rightwing when many of these historians are themselves leftwing.

The facts speak for themselves. Mussolini was a Fascist and Hitler did adopt Fascism early on to appease the right as Fascism was viewed as rightwing because it gave power to corporations, embraced Plutocracy and Capitalism thrived under this system. But Fascism gave too much power to these groups so that as Italy entered WWII, Mussolini couldn't get his corporations to build him any modern war machines so he fought most of the war with WWI material. Mussolini couldn't even get his soldiers to fight as they deserted and often refused to carry out his orders surrendering in many cases to avoid battle completely because they did not support the madman who sent them into war.

But Hitler abandoned Fascism early on, his loyal Nazi leaders like Himmler hated Fascism, he eliminated the unions because the Nazi's themselves were a union wanting to eliminate their competition (much as we see the SEIU doing today) and while Capitalists were allowed to make profit... they had to pay Hitler 10% for his personal fortune, they had to obey everything the Nazi's told them to do and those who did not were killed or sent to concentration camps... does that sound like a free market system or anything akin to what we understand about Capitalism when the left today accuses them of controlling everything about our government?

The Nazi's embraced science over religion and while they spoke of religion, over 80% of Germans were Christian and if the church stood united against Hitler, the people would rebel. Hitler understood the need to control the Christian element and wrote Mein Kampf with this in mind... most forget that Mein Kampf was written as a book of propaganda meant to be sold to the German people who would never have accepted it if it was leftwing. You must look at what they did when they came to power to determine their ideological views as they were environmentalists, animal rights activists, they supported atheism and the occult, their welfare system and barbaric medical research programs were all based on leftwing ideals which survive even today almost word for word with groups like PETA reminding us of the horrid duplicity of their views.

PETA promotes kindness and compassion for animals to the point they take abused animals from caring homes where people might not have the means to properly care for them but love the animals nonetheless... they remove them because of how they are treated and then upwards to 95% of all the animals they take in are killed by PETA which takes in tens of millions of dollars from people who want to save these animals. Is this what PETA spends it's money on? No, they spend it on ad campaigns and waste the money on themselves.

PAWS is a not for profit organization that rescues animals with a No Kill policy who have far less resources than PETA and yet, they miraculously keep these animals alive with only a small number being killed because they are diseased or cannot be saved. They have dogs with two legs, blind cats and animals with all manner of disability and yet, they are supported by Americans from all walks of life from religious groups to atheists putting as many of these animals in foster care as they can and paying to help pet owners who love their four legged friends with healthcare and food. Ironically,

PAWS makes no political statement but reaches out to everyone where PETA is extremely leftwing and we see the result... like the Nazi's, PETA uses the cause of animal welfare to put money in their pockets, promotes the exact same legislation the Nazi's wrote and they kill 95% of all the pets they take in.

Tell me again that the Nazi's were rightwing!

A true Liberal would support PAWS and condemn PETA to the point they would be marching on every PETA shelter to shut them down for this abomination they commit every day. PAWS proves that no animal taken into a shelter needs to be put to death if they can survive... it's only a matter of finding people to adopt them or take them in like foster children to provide them with life.

What if we used PETA's philosophy for human children? There would be no question of how it would be identified with Nazi Germany and with evil. Instead of foster care and providing for animals like PAWS does, they would be killing up to 95% of all human children taking them from the poor rather than trying to help the poor better provide for them. Hitler and the Nazi's professed similar words where their people were concerned... then sent the old, the disabled and mentally ill to be mercilessly experimented upon or killed alongside the Jews. This is why many say it is a lie that six million Jews died in the concentration camps because it wasn't just the Jews by any measure... they just got most of the publicity for being the largest group sent to these death camps... the rest became forgotten.

The left forgets how they once embraced eugenics, a science based ideology best stated as survival of the fittest with all those deemed undesirable, mentally ill or enfeebled by age being put to death or convinced to end their lives through deception. they forget this wasn't just in Nazi Germany... but right here in the United States with blacks, the mentally ill and even criminals locked up behind bars often forgotten... all became victims of inhuman medical experiments, were sterilized or killed no different than what the Nazi's did.

Abortion is an issue these same people promoted with people like Margaret Sanger creating Planned Parenthood targeting poor and minority communities not because they didn't have the money or knowledge of birth control... but because they are undesirables. Liberals like Sanger even identified poverty as mental illness and that the poor were breeding like cockroaches... thus, they became undesirables as well due to elitism. This is why black women have two to three times as many abortions as white women and it was the Nazi's asking who would pay to take care of all these people... certainly not the Aryan race and yet the left doesn't even see this as they angrily attack asking who is going to pay to take care of the unborn if we allow them to be born!

Abortion has it's place where necessary, but the idea that it's a womans body has been a battle cry from the left... it's the center and right that say yes, it is a womans body AND SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT SHE DOES WITH IT!

The political right has it's problems such as with abortion fighting to prevent abortion where the mother has been raped or could die if the unborn fetus isn't aborted... but most Americans lean to the right and support the mainstream right over the extreme right.

The Democrats ruled this country for almost 80 years after the US Civil War by possessing the majority white vote promoting racism and white supremacy. It was politically correct to do so. Because the Republicans came to possess this rightwing vote, Democrats have made great mileage accusing them of racism. But not all racists switched from the Democratic Party to the Republicans as you can review the Dixiecrats and you'll find almost all of them remained Democrats. Blacks were scapegoated for all the pain of the US Civil War so that racism and segregation emerged all across the US and not just in the South... it was as bad or even worse everywhere. But it fits a stereotype and stereotypes are used for political gain.

The Neocons were the largest group to switch sides in the 60's and 70's but they were not accepted by Republicans who remembered who the Neocons were even in the 80's where being labelled a Neocon could cost Republicans elections among Republican voters. Only when it was clear that Republicans no longer remembered what a Neocon was and accepted them as Conservative by name identification would Neocons emerge to gain control over Republicans like Liberals once held over Democrats before the Neocons bolted. Progressives then began to take over the leftwing Democrats with those so confused about their ideological views that on name alone, they accept that their views are more progressive than Republicans or rightwingers and thus, they are Progressives. No, Communists took over the name Progressive decades ago and those on the left who need reminded what a true Progressive is need only look at Teddy Roosevelt and JD Rockefeller who were opposed to almost everything todays leftwing Progressives claim to believe in... while almost everything todays leftwing Progressives claim to believe in is identical with old school Communism.

If you receive an invitation to this group... take it. Join to see who the members are and leave. When they then claim not to be Socialists on the forums here, ask them about this and toss back at them what they say in this group.

If they're going to invite you to the group, you have the right to join just as you have the right to leave. You have a right to know when people lie to you about who they are and what they believe. They have a right to believe what they want... they do not have a right to deceive you into thinking them something different than they really are.

Do you know what your ideological views are? Just as it's important to vote for candidates with true leadership ability rather than just to beat the other side, it is important to define and know what your beliefs are.

The people joining Socialists United understand this and those who join to stay are admitting they are, and wish to be known as, Socialists.

Are you a Conservative? Saying you are means nothing if you don't understand what a Conservative is. Are you a Liberal? A Progressive? A Libertarian?

These aren't just names you pull out of a hat people and they are not groups where because they tell you what you want to hear... you join up and call yourselves one of them. Every ideology has an established set of rules and views which define who they are. I call myself a Centrist because it allows me the freedom to be who I am and to side with others not based on some set of beliefs, but because I agree with them or support them for who they are and what they represent... in a worst case scenario, I align with one side against the other when one side is more correct than the other. I opposed Bush and the Republicans who gave him blind support... I do no different with Obama and his blind sheep.

Being a Centrist is liberating because I am an Independent Centrist and if you think I oppose you or support "the other side", maybe you need to look at why I do this.

Unlike most, I can call myself a true American because being an American is about Liberty and Freedom. It is also about educating yourself, getting an education and not persecuting others for their beliefs... expose them where they are wrong, oppose them where you strongly disagree, but always remember that the "common good" is what makes us American and that includes all of us right left and center.

Leftwing Democrats more than any prove they are Un American for one simple reason... every single time the Democrats come to power, leftwing Democrats go on the attack alienating Republicans as a whole but then, they go on the attack against rightwing Democrats and any centrist or moderate who agree with the Democrat right even if on just one issue. Since Obama was elected, it's been the Democrat left that's demanded everyone in the Democratic Party follow them to a point that if you don't... you are essentially excommunicated and viewed as an enemy. Republicans don't have this problem because they are almost entirely rightwing and can tell Liberal Republicans to join their Liberal Democrat counterparts. But the Democrats are left right and center so that when the left goes on one of these ego trips, they serve only to split their party against itself and just how stupid is that!