So, You Think Socialism Isn’t Really that Bad?

Socialism sucks!

"Capitalism and Freedom"

Margret Thatcher was correct; Socialism works up to the point when you run out of everyone else's money.

yeah, but that's that's not socialism as marx or trotsksy or engels or anyone else who endorsed it envisaged. the original idea was to prevent the concentration of massive amounts of wealth in the hands of a tiny minority. which is the case everywhere because all government is criminal. because all power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. the soviet leadership concentrated more wealth in a smaller minority. they were actually being more capitalist than the west. ironic huh?

America is nothing like former communist Czechoslovakia, but do I understand how the very mention of the word socialism would make anyone who had lived during the communist era very nervous indeed. I studied Russian and went on a study tour of the former Soviet Union, the lack of freedom and social control made it hard to breathe.
The government itself, once again!, was the problem more than the dream of an egalitarian society, called by the name socialism.
What is being passed off here as socialism was in fact a totalitarian dictatorship.

Is your left hand a bad thing? Or your right?
Humans are bilateral. Socialism is good where the community is involved.
Capitalism & Libertarianism is good where the individual is involved, the best of these systems can be combined for the greater good.

If you remain aware of present matters in the world, make a list of the five or ten most
expanding economies, and the five strongest nations. Give that some thought and post
your opinions here, naming those who have strong central governments in CAPITALS, and all others in small case. Then let's have a converfsation. Deal?

Give the Socialist the boot Nov 6th !

Yes, nothing is free in life.

Love

Well, all emotions are free in life but that wasn't what I was talking about.

What were you talking about, please?
I can only surmise by what you actually write, if you
mean something other than what your words convey, it is confusing....
I misunderstood what you meant by nothing in life is free, then. :)

It helps if a term is defined before the discussion gets started... Socialism for example .
When the US government hands out payments it is considered socialism? unless the handouts are for example.to Wall Street or billions of dollars annually in the US federal agricultural subsidy program to multimillionaires for Not growing anything on their vast land holdings. i.e. for being rich landowners who do nothing.
Mom and pop farms struggling to stay in business would be much better recipients, IMO.
Can the US continue such largesse to a small financial elite that will certainly not starve if the government stops handing them annual checks for 25 million dollars for slacking?
My point is taxpayer's money is going to rich people who manage to get a surprising amount for free, tax shelters and tax write offs and all sorts of clever tricks.
I live in the Netherlands that has a mandatory national healthcare insurance plan, for example, socialist?
Civilized, is the word that comes to mind.
Getting back on track, what is your definition of socialism, please?
Democracy in ancient Greece meant something a quite a bit different than what people today fondly imagine it to be.

Nothing is free in life, even if it's free to you, someone is paying for it. And I don't know about the Netherlands but here, the rich get taxed the most and the poor gets a lot of the tax money. Tax dollars also go to schools, prisons, roads, etc. Our president is a socialistic. He wants to have a lot more stuff for free to people. A lot cheaper college. Taxes will go through the roof if that happens. U.S. is one of the least taxed countries in the world but we still are taxed enough already. We have a lot of unnecessary taxes. We can't make college cheaper, Obama said in the DNC "he wanted to cut the cost of tuition in half." and Obama probably wants to make it free, he just isn't saying that. Obama doesn't care what happens to America. He's reducing our nuclear weapons because he's an idiot. He will make our economy way worse then it already is. The definition of socialism is "A political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated."

The facts that the US
1) Took the dollar off the gold standard, in effect making the dollar increasingly worthless over time
2) has been at war for How many years now and
3) Wall Street got a megabillion bail out from....... taxpayers!
have in your mind less effect on the economy than Obama?
'Kay

I am afraid your comparing a soviet satellite state with an independent country. What the Democrats actually want is a lot closer to Economic Democracy than it is to any kind of socialism.

Is that why we're moving more people down into poverty?

No "they" are moving more people into poverty to pay
for Wall Street's shenaningans, and with taxpayer's money.
How long has the US been in armed conflict in the Middle East?
War costs money, a lot of money.
Dollar isn't on the gold standard anymore,
which Republican is responsible for that brilliant move?

Using your logic then it's only going to get worse since the more tax money they take the more wall street's gonna steal?

If you're referring to FDR:
On June 5, 1933, the United States went off the gold standard, a monetary system in which currency is backed by gold, when Congress enacted a joint resolution nullifying the right of creditors to demand payment in gold.
http://www.history.com/this-d...

FDR is an honorary to the libbies:
http://fdrdemocrat.org/

Hint. Which Republican took the US dollar off the gold standard, FDR was a Democrat. :D
(Nixon was a Republican, I just assumed you would know. He did it during the weekend and a Congressional recess, for some reason)

Forty Years Ago Today Nixon Took Us Off the Gold Standard | Fox ...
www.foxnews.com/.../forty-yea...
15 Aug 2011 – Today we celebrate, or, actually, mourn the 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon's taking America, and the world, off the gold standard, ...

Could care less what/who you 'think' it is... I have the correct answer! Did you even bother to look the info up? I even provided the link for you!!!

I provided a link that gives the information about Nixon's Folly, I do not even need to ask if you cared to look for yourself since it is clear this is the first you're hearing of it and you'd rather not.

I read about Nixon years ago and after doing some research I found it had already been done by FDR years before that. So go ahead and spew your nonsense cause I know better!

Nixon Shock
The Nixon Shock was a series of economic measures taken by U.S. President Richard Nixon in 1971 including unilaterally cancelling the direct convertibility of the United States dollar to gold that essentially ended the existing Bretton Woods system of international financial exchange.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

So... you totally ignore the fact that FDR did it way before Nixon? Doesn't that fit with your way of thinking?

A political Helen Keller....

So... knock yourself out blaming everything on republicans!

Taking the US dollar off the gold stand was not a good move
at least not from the conservative point of view
and yet it was done by a Republican prez,
Richard Watergate Nixon, none other than.
Fact. Ask yr Sodahead republican friends that know more.

Talking about the inadvisability of going off the gold standard
in no way equates with blaming the 'pubs for everything,
Coming up with that bit of Right wing self-bashing shows talent,
if only there were an Olympic Event for Jumping to the Wrong conclusion you'd be a contender for the gold.
There's that word again, LOL
But whatever floats your boat.
Thank you for your answer, it didn't disappoint.

It wasn't a bad idea, it was the worst idea ever!

Waiting for your response :D LOL!

And 0bama is following in FDR's footsteps. Hope you like living in work camps. I live near the site of one that was set up during FDR's boondoggle of a presidency. Maybe at that time it was safe for the man of the family to move to a work camp and leave his family but it sure isn't today!

You forget that it is deregulation that is doing that.

My husband also grew up with socialism, so we clearly have a better understanding than a lot of Americans. The libs seem to think it's a blessing, they fail to understand that a country will go broke at some point because there will not be enough people working to sustain the system.

socialism is bad.

We were brainwashed in schools from an early age. In each classroom, next to the blackboard there were pictures of Lenin, Stalin and our current president. We had to march on May 1st (Labor Day) in parades celebrating our workers, waving flags and placards with communist slogans. One of them was “Move FORWARD left foot, right foot, NOT one step BACK“. Sound familiar?

I could not believe the hundreds of signs I saw at the DNC Charlotte convention. FORWARD/NOT BACK. How about Michelle Obama asking all to keep on sacrificing for our own kids and grandkids (while she enjoys luxury vacations traveling in the large private jet paid for by us taxpayers)?

http://clashdaily.com/2012/09...