So the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare, but the individual mandate is considered a tax?

stormy rae 2012/06/28 15:21:14
Yes I am glad Obamacare stood. We Need SOCIALIST healthcare for all!
WTF! OBAMACARE passes, I'm going to be a  DISOBEDIENT PEOPLE!!
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The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that the individual
mandate within the health care reform law, The Patient Protection and
Affordable Care Act of 2010, can survive as a tax rather than a mandate.
Chief Justice John Roberts has joined the Court’s liberal justices in affirming that the law will stand and authoring the majority decision.

The rest of the health care reform law, otherwise known as
“Obamacare,” will remain intact. Roberts decision says that states
cannot be penalized by the federal government by limiting the Medicare
funds they receive if they opt not to expand their rolls. This provision
was only slightly limited from its original construction in the ACA.

Nothing in our opinion precludes Congress from offering
funds under the ACA to expand the availability of health care, and
requiring that states accepting such funds comply with the conditions on
their use. What Congress is not free to do is to penalize States that
choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their
existing Medicaid funding.

The individual mandate was upheld as a tax — they found that the
federal government could not force individuals to purchase a product,
but a penalty could be imposed if they opted not to purchase the product
which is, in this case, private health insurance.

The tax provision survived in a 5-4 vote, with Roberts joining the
Court’s liberal justices. The perennial swing vote, Justice Anthony
Kennedy, read the Court’s dissent along with the Court’s traditionally
conservative justices.

After several months of contentious public debate and several
Congressional votes, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
passed in March 2010.

Despite passing Congress, albeit along party-line votes in the House and Senate, the law never became less controversial.

Polls of public opinion
on the popularity of the law have shown that health care reform
remained persistently polarizing even after its passage. Consistent
pluralities or majorities, with rare exceptions, continued to tell
pollsters that they favored the repeal of health care reform from 2010
even to today.

The action the Supreme Court has taken today is unlikely to settle
arguments that surround the constitutionality of the reform of America’s
health care system.

Now that Obamacare has withstood the Supreme Court ruling, this changes the Health care system. Unfortunately not enough people realize what the mandate really calls for. In the Obamacare Law, or as the Congress that does not want to be in hot water over questions regarding the individual mandate along with the mandatory rfid chipping, Yea, I know your gonna say I am delusional, but maybe you should look into the Health Care Bill, the original bill H.R.3200 says very clearly an implantable medical device that will be linked to an individuals bank account. This rfid mandate can be found between pages 1000-1010 in Obamacare H.R.3200. In the new Health care bill, H.R.3590 it states in one part that a class 2 medical device is over the counter products, like pregnancy tests. It refers to class 3 devices as those that are implantable, but later it refers to a class 2 device as implantable, so even if the mandate for an implantable radio frequency identification device is not visible in the revised H.R.3590, you can rest assured that your Government will find a way to squeeze this mandate in. Either it's already in the bill, or they will simply revise the medical terms, to befit the mandate of a class 2 device. I do however promise you if you were paying any attention to H.R.3200 from its birth, and if you have listened to conversations from both Barack Obama, or Mitt Romney, or even from the Dr. Paul himself, you will come to the devastating realization that this controversial health care reform law, does infringe on the last remaining civil liberties you have left.

Are you happy with the Supreme Court decision to uphold the mandate as a tax. Which by the way your not exempt from this "tax", so they merely found a loophole to uphold the individual mandate.

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  • Starman - Guru of Reason 2012/06/30 04:11:40
    Yes I am glad Obamacare stood. We Need SOCIALIST healthcare for all!
    Starman - Guru of Reason
    Just because Chief Justice Roberts considers it a tax for constitutional purposes doesn't make it a tax. The government is giving an incentive to buy medical insurance if you can afford it, and help to buy it if you can't afford it.

    Does the government tax you for not having children, or does it give you a tax break if you have dependents?

    Think about it.

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  • jay cynsity 2012/07/08 21:25:46
    The only way an idea like Obamcare would work for doctors would be if they did not go into hock up to their rears to be doctors. Most doctors have well over 200k in student loans. Cant blame them for wanting to make a buck.
  • cynsity jay 2012/07/10 01:42:36
    well most NEW doctors have that the ones with zero experence... the old hands at medician will just stop practicing.
  • Idiot r... jay 2012/07/02 11:15:18
    Idiot repubs
    It didn't change a word. The law is constitutional.

    Nothing more will be done
  • jay Idiot r... 2012/07/02 21:15:42
    But not under the way it was passed via the commerce clause. Robersts just gave that boy the way to ssave it.
  • stormy rae jay 2012/06/30 14:55:42
    stormy rae
    yes right back to congress, thats why roberts did us a favor, he blew obamas new tax out of the water, and now americans can find out it is a tax, the bill is back in congress for repeal on june 11 2012
  • jay stormy rae 2012/06/30 18:02:06
    I wonder how the hate groups known as the Congressional black caucus and the congressional hipsanic caucus will vote?
  • Idiot r... jay 2012/07/02 11:15:40
    Idiot repubs
    There will be no vote,

    It didn't change a word. The law is constitutional.
  • jay Idiot r... 2012/07/02 21:17:45
    The house will have a vote. That Obama lover Ried might not allow one in the senate. Wonder what he is afraid of.
  • Idiot r... stormy rae 2012/07/02 11:15:26
    Idiot repubs
    It didn't change a word. The law is constitutional.
  • jay Idiot r... 2012/07/02 21:18:55
    So is slavery, but that does not make it right. Its not constitutional now, but at the time it was
  • Idiot r... jay 2012/07/03 01:22:05 (edited)
    Idiot repubs
    Slavery? You're delusional, we try to give you health care insurance at a reasonable cost and you call it slavery after demonstrating you don't know how government works.
  • Idiot r... jay 2012/07/02 11:14:34
    Idiot repubs
    It didn't change a word. The law is constitutional.
  • DJL 2012/06/30 00:41:57
    WTF! OBAMACARE passes, I'm going to be a DISOBEDIENT PEOPLE!!
    Roberts screwed Obama by ruling Obamacare is a tax. He showed that Obama lied again and he left Obamacare open to another chalenge because it is the Senate version of tax legislation and only the House has the power to tax.

  • cynsity DJL 2012/06/30 01:11:47
    Dont be so upset Dan... take a look at this little article this very well could be the end of teh dem party as it is...http://www.imcitizen.net...
  • DJL cynsity 2012/06/30 01:15:36
    I'm not upset. I'm happy that Roberts screwed Obama by calling Obamacare what it is,a major tax increase.
  • Souther... DJL 2012/06/30 02:00:34
    Southern Man
    you are so right nothing more and it can and will be shot down
  • Cat 1017 Souther... 2012/06/30 03:25:16
    Cat 1017
    No it won't...Its consttututional....
  • Jim Cat 1017 2012/06/30 04:34:02 (edited)
    It can be repealed by congress. In order to become a part of the U.S. Constitution it first must be brought up as an amendment to the Constitution by Congress and then be approved by two thirds of the states by a vote of the people.
  • Cat 1017 Jim 2012/06/30 12:21:14
    Cat 1017
    Can be and will be are quite different....It will be implemented just as medicaid and medicare are...The GOP are just show boating , but will fail in their attempt...I don't understand why this is any different form the programs mentioned..amazing , we will spend billions in a war for people that want no part of the US, yet the citizens in the country in need of healthcare are diregarded and dicarded if left to the GOP...Whats with that?
  • stormy rae Cat 1017 2012/06/30 14:57:22
    stormy rae
    its a new tax, under the constitution the congress has the power to tax not senate, not obama and it goes back to the drawing board, the people have the power to refuse taxes and this is the revolution of 1776 in 2012
  • Idiot r... stormy rae 2012/07/02 11:17:13
    Idiot repubs
    The supreme court didn't change a word. The law is constitutional.
  • Idiot r... Cat 1017 2012/07/02 11:16:19 (edited)
    Idiot repubs
    Somehow they think the congress votes on it again.

    What a bunch of Morons

    It didn't change a word. The law is constitutional.
  • Cat 1017 Idiot r... 2012/07/02 12:50:43
    Cat 1017
    That was the whole debate before...If they had got a decision they like then it would have ended all debate from them, since they didn't its repeal, repeal, repeal...I can say it needs modification but not repeal...McConnel says what the all are thinking, to HELL with the 30 million without HC, and suddenly they are focusing on the term tax instead of mandate...They are sooo copassionate its laughable...those 30 million can cause a tsunami effect in the November election....I hope they DO!!!!
  • cynsity DJL 2012/06/30 02:03:42
    well I was upset until I had teh chance to read the FULL decission... then like you I am now thinking this cold be teh death keel of teh liberals...
  • Cat 1017 cynsity 2012/06/30 03:25:36
    Cat 1017
  • cynsity Cat 1017 2012/07/01 04:23:59
    what makes you laugh? You ind it ammusing that the dems hust imposessed a HUGE tax on those "poor" people who cant afford insurance? Because that is what they did. They just said if you have insurace no problem if you dont BUY it or we tax you. And this will be a tax they have to pay. finally the dems made it possible to make everyone partisapate in the tax stsyem... they are rolling right along....
  • Cat 1017 cynsity 2012/07/01 22:33:53
    Cat 1017
    R u from another country?...sounds as if you are speaking a foreign language and have a foreign comprehension......
  • Idiot r... DJL 2012/07/03 01:24:23
    Idiot repubs
    Romney says it isn't a tax

  • jay DJL 2012/06/30 18:02:34
    I think he did that intentionally
  • Idiot r... DJL 2012/07/03 01:23:39
    Idiot repubs
    Here's Rmoney's spokesman saying it isn't a tax:

  • taitaFalcon23 2012/06/29 14:59:55
    WTF! OBAMACARE passes, I'm going to be a DISOBEDIENT PEOPLE!!
    he played by the rules and won. It's not socialism to make healthcare available to rich and poor alike. Where in the constituion does it say good health is only for the rich/
  • cynsity taitaFa... 2012/06/30 01:16:16
    Wow you dont even know... he didn't just make health care available all he did was tell everyone to BUY health insurace or get Fined.... no one who didn't have healthcare BEFORE has it now they have to go BUY IT like everyone else. And Justice Roberts just handed him his rear end with his ruling because he has now made it so the dems have to justify to the people why they are goingto see an INCREASE in their federal taxes as well he gave STATEs the right to REFUSE to partisapate in the law and said they can not be penilized if they dont
    SO, how exactly will a NATIONAL health care program work if 40 out of 50 states refuse to partisapate? It cant and those states who do will be paying upwards of 80% more in taxes!
  • taitaFa... cynsity 2012/06/30 03:53:58
    that idea stopped in the 60's. the notion of nullifcation just set them up for judicial suits for violating SCOTUS rulings that were contained in the constitution. before you recommend others follow this path, congresses own office of budget and management has already put out the projected savings of 134 billion in deficit savings the first yr
  • Jim taitaFa... 2012/06/30 04:39:32
    Whose constitution are you refering to. You need to read the U.S. Constitution.
  • cynsity taitaFa... 2012/07/01 04:30:04
    That is because they are going to DROP the reembersment amount from medicare/cade right now docs who have patients on those programs get paid about 70c to the dollar they spend in care now they will only get about45c which means they will drop those patients until they too buy insurance... fewer people going to see a doc while on medicare/cade fewer people on those programs and voilia savings too bad the people getting screwed are teh poor
  • Idiot r... cynsity 2012/07/03 01:25:35
  • Jim taitaFa... 2012/06/30 04:37:50
    Where does it say in the Constitution that healthcare is an entitlement? It doesn't.
  • taitaFa... Jim 2012/06/30 04:46:41
    no, it doesn't - but neither does it say autoinsurance is too
  • cynsity taitaFa... 2012/07/01 04:26:58
    Auto insurace is mandated for a PRIVILEGE and only state to state. Buy comparing auto insurance and health insurance in this manner you have to conceed that health care is a PRIVILEGE like driving a car... you dont have to drive you dont have to have insurance.... you dont have to go to the doctaors but now even if you dont go you have to have insurance... sucks to be poor now.
  • taitaFa... cynsity 2012/07/01 04:46:29
    EVERYBODY has to go to a doctor sooner or later; not everybody has to drive. Besides, it is legal to reside in one state with auto insurance from another. It's aprovision contained in the Commerce clause in the constitution. Another provison that the GOP does not want to talk about is the subsidy of tax credits to make up the difference to help pay for a policy. The stats prove that its not a queston of if but when someone has to see a doctor.

    Especially as people age. The horrible time that awaits everyone is the window between 45 and 60 where at the critical time, you find out if you're going to collect social security.

    Because, if people are going to get sick/hurt and die, those years predict that. The mid fifties is the time where preventive and sometimes necessary medical intervention determines whether you get older or not. If insurance and medical coverage is bad now - go see what a 'code blue' costs. IT may hurt to go running or do a set of pushups but couches kill.

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