So are "Death pannels" just the current imaginary fear of republicans?

and it is in Obamacare if anyone wants to read through the 2000 page + monstrosity.

READ if you can the obama health bill...there are STOPs factored in for those who reach certain ages - you will NOT receive care if you cannot afford to by-pass the health bill...

It is just another way of killing off the old and poor...

They're not in full swing right now, but the time is coming, and I don't think it's just republicans, but democrats also. Their agenda is more compatible than we are led to believe.

Read the healtch care bill.

The panels that get to decide whether or not you get life-saving care is in it.

there is nothing imaginary about these!

FUD to you too

Fear, uncertainty, and doubt? Just what are you trying to say?

Democraps are way to sharp to actually call them death pannels.
They call them something else, but the no frills answer is that they are there.

the sky is falling the sky is falling

Read the health care bill.

Read it dim bulb...The New York Times reports:

In a new report, the academy’s Institute of Medicine does not list specific services that should be covered. Rather, it tells the secretary of health and human services how to define the minimum benefits. That is a huge decision that could affect 68 million people, including individuals, families and businesses that obtain coverage through new state-based insurance exchanges.

Many other insurers will no doubt be guided by the government’s decisions, just as private insurers now often follow Medicare’s coverage decisions.

“Costs must be taken into account,” the 18-member panel said. “Unless we are able to balance the cost with the breadth of benefits, we may never achieve the health care coverage envisioned in the Affordable Care Act. If the benefits are not affordable, fewer individuals will buy insurance. And if health care spending continues to rise so rapidly, the benefits will begin to erode.”

There are no Death Panels as such.

However when a group of Bureaucrats decide what care you get based on the Return on Investment, it can lead to Care delayed or delayed. And care Delayed or denied could cause deaths. And ROI pertains more to the elderly than middleaged and the young.

And already now many Physicians are refusing Medicare and Medicaid. There are signs in both my wifes cardiac Specialist,and my Urologist that they are no longer accepting new Mdeicare/Medicaid patients, but will accept Private insurance patients.

I had a growth on my back that I became concerned about. We called over 10 Dermatologists before finding one that would accept Medicare. And he is 45 Miles away from home.

death 'panels' do exist, and decisions on life and death for the elderly, terminally ill happen every day...its determined by health insurance companies, doctors and medical agencies. there are stats gathered as to age, health, disease, cost of treatment, expected recovery from disease, if it warrants the treatment etc. these are nothing new its been going on for many years. medicare and medicaid (these government programs govern the entire insurance industy which affects doc payments, whether it is worth the risk and eventually patients) has ramped up their coding for these things so they can track every little detail of every disease and the cost vs results. death panels is just a 'fancy name' for cost reduction in the medical community, its a well known, well used programs that is not discussed openly. i've been in the medical community for over 30 yrs, i'm familiar with medicaid, medicare, tricare and all other insurances and work with doctors and insurance companies daily. Medicaid and medicare are once again changing, upgrading their medical coding to insure they 'don't miss a thing' when it comes to getting what they want and denying claims. also you the insurance industy along with the medical industry is required by law to be totally electronic by 2016 which will mean they can track all you & your families medical treatment at the click of a button. the whole medical coding is very confusing and just wait until obamacare kicks in around 2014...

the sky is falling the sky is falling

and they are called insurance companies. they have always been around.

Death panels exist. When the government tells you that you cannot take advantage of a treatment that will probably not work for you, that's a death panel decision. Note the word "probably"..........

the sky is falling the sky is falling

Umm this claim has repeatedly been proven to be absurd and baseless: http://www.politifact.com/tru...

prove other wise & NOT from politico ..provide other sources ......unbaised !!!

http://www.factcheck.org/2009...
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/...

or a more scholarly source: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~nyh...

In the industry they probably have some PC term for it. Insurance companies make these decisions everyday. How can you say that isn't true? People denied some kind of vital treatment is giving them a death sentence. If they don't get it they will die. That decision was not made by them.

you clearly didn't read any of the links I provided then.

I did, but I am asking you personally. That is a whole big thing about Obamacare. It upset people.

You don't think any administrative people makes decisions about who will get life and who will not?

Three are no provisions in the law that limit the coverage an Insurer is to provide based on cost efficiency or any other reason. In fact it does the opposite telling insurers they cannot die coverage for a variety of ailments.

I am not trying to be difficult. If the law doesn't allow you to sue insurers then how can they be held to these "laws" saying they cannot deny coverage?

I didn't have a life or death case but insurance companies will deny me due to pre-existing condition. They deny me treatment for it. When it comes to big money for expensive treatment they get denied. It happens. I am no love of Michael Moore but I think he covers this in his movie sicko.

Actually one of the major pieces of the law is to prevent those with pre-existing conditions from being denied coverage. Look at 2011 and 2014. http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLIT...

Under Obamacare?

Yes. It says so in the article.

right you are ,,,,the ins. ind . has been doing this for decades under the guise of reasonable treatments necessary with the ins plan the person has ,,,,and or age & prognosis ..

we are on the same page ....some else isnt nor ever will be......

they cannot "label the reasonable & acceptable prognosis and comfort measures "

as"""" DEATH PANNELLS """if it walks like a chicken & clucks like one could it possible be passed off as a duck ?

well with the deniability of the liberals enough koolaid ' they just minght be convinced it's a duck ,,,,

these sites are a good try at confusing the uneductaed persons that your ideas are believable ....

I know many in the healthcare industry ,doctors /nurses ,, and other positions ....it's funny the dr.'s I know say the clauses in the LANGUAGE 'THAT THE PEOPLE / NOR HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY WERENT ABLE TO READ INTERPRET OR REVIEW ,,,, AND THE CLAUSES DONT COME RIGHT OUT & SAY DEATH PANNELLS WHAT KIND A FRICKEN IDIOT WOULD DO THAT ...the interpretations have to back door it as resonable & necessary "due to reasonable recovery prognosis ,age and other health factors being reviewd as considered ,,if the patient is not a good candidate "then comfort measures will be proveded ...." again NOT CONSIDERED "DEATH PANNEL !!!!!!!!

ya see the people I know, nor I are stupid !!

it as well unconstitutional for the fed govt to mandate requiring citizens to pay for it or be fined or incarserated ,,,then the underhanded clause "just surfacing about birth control " and the catholics ....well some thought they could slip that one through as well ..

Have you read the actual health care bill?

Have you?

Yes, and guess what? There's a panel that determines whether or not you get life-saving treatment. Now what would you call that panel?

thank you DOC ........I know many that have ,,,and a few doctors who read it after it was passed ,,,they came to the same conclusion ...!!

this individual just thinks they know what there talking about .......

as was said in my remark before ,,,the public //helathcare industry /ins companies werent able to read it review or have any legal group review or interpret it ........

so much for the transparency promise ,,,,,THEN AGAIN AS WITH ANY POLITICIAN "THEY PROMISE WHAT EVER IS NECESSARY FOR THE VOTE !! "

Section and page number then.

read sections 240 and 1233 of HR 3962.
And use your legal dictionary.

but here's the real kicker
http://dailycaller.com/2011/1...

Current or ongoing and repetitious BS? Remember Palin's DP hooey?

The Republican party these days runs on nothing but conspiracy theories and Christian fundamentalism. Why? Because they know that that is how their voting base thinks due to right wing media propaganda and Christian Fundamentalist political endorsements.

This is about what is going on in Holland. American Reps have nothing to do with it.