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SINGLE PAYER HEALTH INSURANCE FOR OR AGAINST?

harold September 26, 2009 23:56:58

HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.
YES, GIVE ME MY FREE EVERYTHING.
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  • +7 raves BrokenDevilDog September 27, 2009 03:04:10
    BrokenDevilDog

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    Considering our governments near 100% failure rate on every private enterprise type business they've stuck their mitts in, my answer is a resounding NO!. For your consideration;

    History Lesson

    The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - they've had 234 years to get it right; it is broke, and even though heavily subsidized, it can't compete with private sector FedExp and UPS services. The U.S. Postal Service will lose over $7 BILLION this year and will require yet another "bailout."

    Social Security was established in 1935 - they've had 74 years to get it right; it is broke. There is nothing in the Social Security Trust Fund except IOUs from the government.

    Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - they've had 71 years to get it right; it is broke. Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - they've had 39 years to get it right; it is broke. Together Fannie and Freddie have now led the entire world into the worst economic collapse in 80 years.

    The War on Poverty was started in 1964 - they've had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our hard earned money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor"; it hasn't worked.

    Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - they've had 44 years to get it right; they are both broke; and now our government dares to mention t...














    Considering our governments near 100% failure rate on every private enterprise type business they've stuck their mitts in, my answer is a resounding NO!. For your consideration;

    History Lesson

    The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - they've had 234 years to get it right; it is broke, and even though heavily subsidized, it can't compete with private sector FedExp and UPS services. The U.S. Postal Service will lose over $7 BILLION this year and will require yet another "bailout."

    Social Security was established in 1935 - they've had 74 years to get it right; it is broke. There is nothing in the Social Security Trust Fund except IOUs from the government.

    Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - they've had 71 years to get it right; it is broke. Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - they've had 39 years to get it right; it is broke. Together Fannie and Freddie have now led the entire world into the worst economic collapse in 80 years.

    The War on Poverty was started in 1964 - they've had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our hard earned money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor"; it hasn't worked.

    Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - they've had 44 years to get it right; they are both broke; and now our government dares to mention them as models for all US health care.



    AMTRAK was established in 1970 - they've had 39 years to get it right; last year they bailed it out as it continues to run at a loss!


    This year, a trillion dollars was committed in the massive political payoff called the Stimulus Bill of 2009; it shows NO sign of working; it's been used to increase the size of governments across America, and raise government salaries while the rest of us suffer from economic hardships. It has yet to create a single new private sector job. Our national debt projections (approaching $10 trillion) have increased 400% in the last six months.



    "Cash for Clunkers" was established in 2009 and went broke in 2009 - - after 80% of the cars purchased turned out to be produced by foreign companies, and dealers nationwide are buried under bureaucratic paperwork demanded by a government that is not yet paying them what was promised.



    So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that each and every "service" shoved down our throats by an over-reaching government turns into disaster, how could any informed American trust our government to run or even set policies for America's health care system - - 17% of our economy?
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  • +3 raves
    harold October 09, 2009 21:21:40
    harold

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    take the pill you'll like it! pill there have been no known side effects
  • +2 raves
    Janster September 28, 2009 12:38:25
    Janster

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    Single payer is lie . . . it is deathcare people. They have failed on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. We can't let it happen. Please call, write, e-mail your congressman and senators - and today.
  • +2 raves
    April September 28, 2009 00:22:36
    April

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    The govt. can't run anything, WHY give them healthcare too?
    Give the Truly Poor, Medicaid, men & all.
    That will solve the biggest problem of uncovered AMERICANS.

    I still don't understand why it is SOOOOO important for the govt. to RUN OUR HEALTHCARE???
    I firmly believe that it would just be another POWER GRAB!
  • +5 raves
    true american September 27, 2009 17:13:30
    true american

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    There will be a huge revolt if this does indeed pass.
  • +3 raves
    April true am... September 28, 2009 00:23:46
    April
    Yes, the Nuclear Option will be Their Nuclear End.
  • +2 raves
    true am... April September 28, 2009 09:49:51
    true american
    Agreed
  • +4 raves
    REFUSENICK September 27, 2009 16:53:58
    REFUSENICK

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    payer A TRAIN WRECK,JUST LIKE ANYTHING (BIG GOV) GETS INTO,LOOK AT THE POST OFFICE,
  • +4 raves
    highlatte September 27, 2009 13:55:21
    highlatte

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    The government should stay out of healthcare, auto industry, and any other competitive business.
  • +2 raves
    Hula girl September 27, 2009 07:12:13
    Hula girl

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    It will kill more than any than might not have insurance that can't be refused now.
  • +2 raves
    Magic Twanger September 27, 2009 04:42:02
    Magic Twanger

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    NO FRAPPING WAY! Fuck all the Socialist, what a bunch of crap.
  • +3 raves
    Lena Carter September 27, 2009 04:18:11
    Lena Carter

    YES, GIVE ME MY FREE EVERYTHING.

    I need all the health care I can get, because it is only going to get worse before it gets better. I need health care for everything that might or could happen to me now or in the future. I want everything free as well!!

    Can we get free health care for our animals as well. Right now I need some health care for my cat. And my friend had to pay $300.00 dollars out her pocket for her dog stomach problem. That is bill money!

    What do you think?
  • +1 raves
    Janster Lena Ca... September 28, 2009 12:42:48
    Janster
    You are pathetic . . . I bet you think Obozo is going to pay your mortgage too. Why don't you get a job and quit asking other Americans to pay your bills. Shame on you.
  • +4 raves
    steve September 27, 2009 04:04:12
    steve

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    Tell me where in THE CONSTITUTION it says that GOVERNMENT should run HEALTHCARE? When you can find it, I will support it. Otherwise, Supporting A single payer government run healthcare system is an ACT OF TREASON!

    run healthcare support supporting payer government run healthcare act treason
  • +1 raves
    Killer September 27, 2009 03:44:33
    Killer

    YES, GIVE ME MY FREE EVERYTHING.

    I think No because......ummmm....I mean free everything who wouldnt want free everything.
  • +3 raves
    emily bernstein September 27, 2009 03:27:31
    emily bernstein

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    ok, they are in the fight of their lives trying to get this helalth reform passed. I rec'd this today....LMAO...they now want us to go to u Tube I guess and make a video and they have a contest going.....blah blah blah....this is tupid...but take a look...I received this email:

    _____________________________...

    In many ways, the fight for health insurance reform comes down to a battle over information. The more people know about how broken the system is and the President's plan to fix it, the more they want change. But there are an awful lot of lies to cut through, and a whole lot of truth to get out.

    So today, we're proud to announce a powerful new way for you to help: Organizing for America's Health Reform Video Challenge.

    This is your chance -- you ingenious, insightful, funny people out there -- to make a 30-second ad telling the story about why the status quo has got to go, or explaining how the Obama plan will ensure we get the secure, quality care we need without breaking the budget.

    The top submissions will be voted on by the public and a panel of experts, with the winning ad aired on national television. This is your opportunity to add your voice and creativity to the debate, get some great exposure for your work, and make a huge difference.

    Click here to get sta...
























    ok, they are in the fight of their lives trying to get this helalth reform passed. I rec'd this today....LMAO...they now want us to go to u Tube I guess and make a video and they have a contest going.....blah blah blah....this is tupid...but take a look...I received this email:

    _____________________________...

    In many ways, the fight for health insurance reform comes down to a battle over information. The more people know about how broken the system is and the President's plan to fix it, the more they want change. But there are an awful lot of lies to cut through, and a whole lot of truth to get out.

    So today, we're proud to announce a powerful new way for you to help: Organizing for America's Health Reform Video Challenge.

    This is your chance -- you ingenious, insightful, funny people out there -- to make a 30-second ad telling the story about why the status quo has got to go, or explaining how the Obama plan will ensure we get the secure, quality care we need without breaking the budget.

    The top submissions will be voted on by the public and a panel of experts, with the winning ad aired on national television. This is your opportunity to add your voice and creativity to the debate, get some great exposure for your work, and make a huge difference.

    Click here to get started.



    No experience is needed -- if you have an idea, we want you to give it a shot. And if you know someone who is especially handy with a camera, please forward this note along right away. Just make sure you submit your ad by October 18th.

    Your video could be as simple as you talking straight into the camera, as complex as a full-blown production with a script and special effects, or anything in between.

    We're looking for serious videos: You can tell your personal story about how the broken health insurance system has affected you. You can illustrate the big picture about what's wrong now and how the President's plan will help with animations, charts, and facts.

    We're looking for funny videos: You can parody those trying to scare us into inaction (between the lying pundits and the insurance company spin doctors, they've given us some good stuff to work with).

    And we're looking for new ideas we never would have thought of but we know will blow us all away.

    We know that compelling videos can touch people in a way that words alone simply cannot. The messages that regular people put together will make a bigger difference than any false smears or slick ads the other side can dream up. And who knows -- your creative, powerful, or touching video could help tip the balance in favor of health reform.

    So go get started today!

    http://my.barackobama.com/vid...

    I can't wait to see what you come up with,

    Natalie

    Natalie Foster
    New Media Director
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  • +1 raves
    Lena Ca... emily b... September 27, 2009 04:40:31
    Lena Carter
    Mam, I understand you thoughts and feelings, but really think about it, if you were laying in the hospital with some unknown disease or a sickness that they need to research a few more months or years to figure out your problem. But, they need you stay in the hospital longer than you anticipated on. And/or your health insurance will not allow it, therefore you have die in the interim. Because of some dam "insurance issue or budget issue" And you had children that depends on you for survival purpose, because they are too small to take care of themselves. Really, this will be fucked up!

    Because all congress has to is give us not Obama insurance, he has insurance and his family is covered well. "We are not covered enough" He is fighting for us as a group of people outside his window. Also, far as budget all the government has to do is find a way to cut down some more trees and plant more trees to make more money the treasury money making machines work very well. Now how hard is this, to save lives or better yet some new technology that is money or much easier way to spend money. This is so easy. Than having a bunch of dieing people and sick people spread germs throughout the United States. It is too much like right to do, and that's why people is fighting it. They need for things to be complex all the time, because you are condition to think complex and not really care what is right.

    What you think?
  • +2 raves
    April Lena Ca... September 28, 2009 00:36:56
    April
    I fully understand your opinion but, why does it have to be govt. run?
    What is the problem with reforming insurance, giving the poor Medicaid, and or payment vouchers to buy their own CHOICE of insurance?
    The govt. does not have to be involved in RUNNING the health insurance business for everyone.
    With the RIGHT reform, new laws could be created that prevent the ins. cos. from refusing ANY needed treatments for ANY reason.
  • +1 raves
    Janster Lena Ca... September 28, 2009 12:50:42
    Janster
    They are going to die Otrator's deathcare. He is going to die care to millions of seniors because they are no longer cost effective. Are you a senior? If so, you might be one of the one denied care. Good luck with that.
  • +4 raves
    Bill September 27, 2009 03:20:31
    Bill

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    obama said his single payer system would cost the working class 15 to 20 percent of their annual income. that is at most 6800 more than i'm paying for me and my family now. he's trying to choke the life out of me and all the working class to pay for (why beat around the bush) minorities
  • +2 raves
    emily b... Bill September 27, 2009 03:28:56
    emily bernstein
    I don't think they know how much it will cost for their health reform Bill 3200. as it has been predicted the cost would be $1761. per family unit. But that is in question.
  • +2 raves
    Bill emily b... September 27, 2009 20:26:13
    Bill
    out of obama's on mouth he said 15 to 20 percent of you yearly income. I don't know how much that would cost you but I know that it would cost me thousands more than i'm paying now by out of pocket and no telling how much more in taxes
  • +3 raves
    Lena Ca... Bill September 27, 2009 04:47:52
    Lena Carter
    Why not give back? Should be like the people over in Africa sick and poor as hell? Better yet should we subject to continue to spread sickness throughout the United States? This is what is going to happen if the Insurance don't happen quickly and at least let something pass, with Obama than just not having anything but a bunch of undecided decisions. Why we are still suffering with all types of sickness in the interim.

    Be real and don't think that you are invincible. Because, it could happen to anyone of us. End up with nothing but a blank!!
  • +3 raves
    Bill Lena Ca... September 27, 2009 20:21:46
    Bill
    I have a thought why not take medicare and madicade and clean up all the fruad and reform them and pass a bill where we can go across state lines to get health care and see how much health care would go down then
  • +1 raves
    Janster Lena Ca... September 28, 2009 12:53:01
    Janster
    How about you give back 15 to 20 percent of your income . . . our insurance is fine just like it is. If you think we should give back, you find someone and buy their insurance and try it out and see how you like it.
  • +1 raves
    harold Lena Ca... September 28, 2009 16:48:54
    harold
    then the proclaimed african-americans should be tax extra to support that!!only them.see how many drop that half.
  • +5 raves
    Worried about our Country September 27, 2009 03:05:56
    Worried about our Country

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    Totally against a single payor system - it would destroy our healthcare and make it easier for us, the people, to be taken advantage of.
  • +7 raves
    BrokenDevilDog September 27, 2009 03:04:10
    BrokenDevilDog

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    Considering our governments near 100% failure rate on every private enterprise type business they've stuck their mitts in, my answer is a resounding NO!. For your consideration;

    History Lesson

    The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - they've had 234 years to get it right; it is broke, and even though heavily subsidized, it can't compete with private sector FedExp and UPS services. The U.S. Postal Service will lose over $7 BILLION this year and will require yet another "bailout."

    Social Security was established in 1935 - they've had 74 years to get it right; it is broke. There is nothing in the Social Security Trust Fund except IOUs from the government.

    Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - they've had 71 years to get it right; it is broke. Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - they've had 39 years to get it right; it is broke. Together Fannie and Freddie have now led the entire world into the worst economic collapse in 80 years.

    The War on Poverty was started in 1964 - they've had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our hard earned money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor"; it hasn't worked.

    Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - they've had 44 years to get it right; they are both broke; and now our government dares to mention t...














    Considering our governments near 100% failure rate on every private enterprise type business they've stuck their mitts in, my answer is a resounding NO!. For your consideration;

    History Lesson

    The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - they've had 234 years to get it right; it is broke, and even though heavily subsidized, it can't compete with private sector FedExp and UPS services. The U.S. Postal Service will lose over $7 BILLION this year and will require yet another "bailout."

    Social Security was established in 1935 - they've had 74 years to get it right; it is broke. There is nothing in the Social Security Trust Fund except IOUs from the government.

    Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - they've had 71 years to get it right; it is broke. Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - they've had 39 years to get it right; it is broke. Together Fannie and Freddie have now led the entire world into the worst economic collapse in 80 years.

    The War on Poverty was started in 1964 - they've had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our hard earned money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor"; it hasn't worked.

    Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - they've had 44 years to get it right; they are both broke; and now our government dares to mention them as models for all US health care.



    AMTRAK was established in 1970 - they've had 39 years to get it right; last year they bailed it out as it continues to run at a loss!


    This year, a trillion dollars was committed in the massive political payoff called the Stimulus Bill of 2009; it shows NO sign of working; it's been used to increase the size of governments across America, and raise government salaries while the rest of us suffer from economic hardships. It has yet to create a single new private sector job. Our national debt projections (approaching $10 trillion) have increased 400% in the last six months.



    "Cash for Clunkers" was established in 2009 and went broke in 2009 - - after 80% of the cars purchased turned out to be produced by foreign companies, and dealers nationwide are buried under bureaucratic paperwork demanded by a government that is not yet paying them what was promised.



    So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that each and every "service" shoved down our throats by an over-reaching government turns into disaster, how could any informed American trust our government to run or even set policies for America's health care system - - 17% of our economy?
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  • +2 raves
    April BrokenD... September 28, 2009 00:42:42
    April
    Wonderful history lesson.

    I just wish EVERYONE realized these things without listening to a bunch of charismatic crap.
  • +4 raves
    naneus September 27, 2009 01:32:46
    naneus

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    The medical system would be overrun. I heard 50% of doctors plan on retiring if it is passed. It will be months maybe years before anyone will be able to see a doctor. We will have a HUGE shortage of medical care. Many will die waiting. It will be worse than the VA medical centers where it already takes months and months to get an appointment. Someone has to pay for it. Those that work and they are already taxed enough. This country can't sustain it and there would be no competition. So much for our Capitalistic society.
  • +2 raves
    realist September 27, 2009 00:59:24
    realist

    YES, GIVE ME MY FREE EVERYTHING.

    first off it's not free. second read up on the facts, and you'll see this is the way to go
  • +6 raves
    harold realist September 27, 2009 01:02:00
    harold
    why is pot and cocain covered
  • +1 raves
    realist harold September 27, 2009 01:15:54
    realist
    hopefully pot will be, as it's the most valuable natural substance in the world. could easily replace most anti-anxiety, anti-depression, pain meds. with NO severe side effects. the reason it's the way to go is because people live longer, it costs less, and the people of those nations are happier.
  • +4 raves
    HoldenB... harold September 27, 2009 02:29:42
    HoldenBeachBum
    Probably to keep all the LWLNJ'S in the I don't give a shit mode. At this point he can implement his Marxist takeover of this Country......notice I said implement it, I didn't say he would succeed.
    lwlnjs shit mode implement marxist takeover country notice implement succeed
  • +4 raves
    steve harold September 27, 2009 04:05:04
    steve
    Don't forget abortion.
  • +7 raves
    naneus realist September 27, 2009 01:34:29
    naneus
    You are right, it is not free, All hard working Americans will have to pay for it, while the lazy good for nothings get more free rides.
  • +1 raves
    Janster realist September 28, 2009 12:54:43
    Janster
    This deathcare will deny millions of seniors care because they are no longer cost effective. Are you a senior? If so, prepare to die sooner than you expected.
  • +1 raves
    realist Janster September 29, 2009 06:07:08
    realist
    funny my parents are educated folks. they've both read the bill, and they are for a single payer system. oh wait they're seniors too
  • +1 raves
    Janster realist October 01, 2009 19:51:04
    Janster
    I doubt that . . .Too bad your guy is the Liar 'n Chief and his evil ways are getting exposed.
  • +1 raves
    realist Janster October 01, 2009 19:59:03
    realist
    compelling argument you have there lol
  • +6 raves
    MAMMY51 "In God We Trust" September 27, 2009 00:42:50
    MAMMY51

    HELL NO! SINGLE PAYER WON'T GO.

    They keep using Medicare as an example of successful single payer insurance but, several different insurance companies are being used by the government. Medicare is bankrupt.

    Here are a few truths about Medicare.
    _____________________________
    Medicare Premiums for 2009:

    Part A: (Hospital Insurance) Premium

    *
    Most people do not pay a monthly Part A premium because they or a spouse has 40 or more quarters of Medicare-covered employment.
    *
    The Part A premium is $244.00 per month for people having 30-39 quarters of Medicare-covered employment.
    *
    The Part A premium is $443.00 per month for people who are not otherwise eligible for premium-free hospital insurance and have less than 30 quarters of Medicare-covered employment.

    Part B: (Medical Insurance) Premium

    $96.40 per month*

    Medicare Deductible and Coinsurance Amounts for 2009:

    Part A: (pays for inpatient hospital, skilled nursing facility, and some home health care) For each benefit period Medicare pays all covered costs except the Medicare Part A deductible (2009 = $1,068) during the first 60 days and coinsurance amounts for hospital stays that last beyond 60 days and no more than 150 days.

    For each benefit period you pay:

    *
    A total of $1,068 for a hospital stay of 1-60 days.
    ...


















    They keep using Medicare as an example of successful single payer insurance but, several different insurance companies are being used by the government. Medicare is bankrupt.

    Here are a few truths about Medicare.
    _____________________________
    Medicare Premiums for 2009:

    Part A: (Hospital Insurance) Premium

    *
    Most people do not pay a monthly Part A premium because they or a spouse has 40 or more quarters of Medicare-covered employment.
    *
    The Part A premium is $244.00 per month for people having 30-39 quarters of Medicare-covered employment.
    *
    The Part A premium is $443.00 per month for people who are not otherwise eligible for premium-free hospital insurance and have less than 30 quarters of Medicare-covered employment.

    Part B: (Medical Insurance) Premium

    $96.40 per month*

    Medicare Deductible and Coinsurance Amounts for 2009:

    Part A: (pays for inpatient hospital, skilled nursing facility, and some home health care) For each benefit period Medicare pays all covered costs except the Medicare Part A deductible (2009 = $1,068) during the first 60 days and coinsurance amounts for hospital stays that last beyond 60 days and no more than 150 days.

    For each benefit period you pay:

    *
    A total of $1,068 for a hospital stay of 1-60 days.
    *
    $267 per day for days 61-90 of a hospital stay.
    *
    $534 per day for days 91-150 of a hospital stay (Lifetime Reserve Days).
    *
    All costs for each day beyond 150 days

    Skilled Nursing Facility Coinsurance

    *
    $133.50 per day for days 21 through 100 each benefit period.

    Part B: (covers Medicare eligible physician services, outpatient hospital services, certain home health services, durable medical equipment)

    *
    $135.00 per year. (Note: You pay 20% of the Medicare-approved amount for services after you meet the $135.00 deductible.)

    Additional information about the Medicare premiums, deductibles, and coinsurance rates for 2009 is available in the September 19, 2008 Fact Sheet titled, "CMS Announces Medicare Premiums, Deductibles for 2009" on the www.cms.gov website.

    *Note: If your income is above $85,000 (single) or $170,000 (married couple), then your Medicare Part B premium may be higher than $96.40 per month. For additional details, see our FAQ titled: " Medicare Part B Monthly Premiums in 2009"
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