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Since Zimmerman broke the law concerning neighborhood watch by carrying a gun and he was the Capitan of it. Should the neighborhood watch should be held lible and pay civil penalities for the death of Trayvon?

bob 2012/03/29 16:43:35
The neighborhood watch should be held lible and pay civil penalities for the death of Trayvon
Since Zimmerman broke the law concerning neighborhood watch by carrying a gun, he should be held lible and pay civil penalities for the death of Trayvon
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  • Sport_Geoff 2012/03/29 17:14:22
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    Sport_Geoff
    +12
    Once again Bob I see you parroting what someone else has posted. ..............

    AND NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY.......

    The neighborhood watch that Zimmerman was self appointed captain of....(are you ready for this?) ...WAS NOT A REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH and therefore your post becomes utter BS as the rule you are referring to is the National Sheriffs Assoc. guidelines and Zimmermans neighborhood watch was (one more time) NOT REGISTERED WITH ANY AUTHORITY AS A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH. The police did give him some guidelines but that was it.

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  • Seeker of Truth - War Wizard 2012/04/12 19:12:54
    None of the above
    Seeker of Truth - War Wizard
    The question is completely invalid, because it's very premise is false. Zimmerman did NOT carry the gun illegally. Neighborhood watch guidelines are not law, and they certainly do not trump state law regarding concealed carry. Zimmerman had a CCW permit, and wasn't even on duty as neighborhood watch. He was simply a concerned citizen who happened to also be a local NHW volunteer.
  • JonDeniro 2012/04/02 17:09:24
    Undecided
    JonDeniro
    That would be a legal question that depended upon the details.

    In my personal opinion, I am inclined to hold individuals responsible for their own actions.
  • Jose Hernandez 2012/04/02 15:00:52
    Undecided
    Jose Hernandez
    Well he was the one who carried so I guess he is the one and not the watch. but then again he mistook him for a robber so...
  • Mr. Won... Jose He... 2012/04/03 14:29:07 (edited)
    Mr. Wonderful
    Oh please... Zimmerman didn't mistake anyone. He with malice singled out a BLACK teen, automatically suspected him of acting suspecious even though he was doing nothing but walking back to the apartment where is father was.

    He first followed him with his car, then on foot, then disregarded police instructions to cease and because of all that is the principle that caused the death of an innocent person through him (Zimmerman) starting a chain of actions that ended in the killing of a human being. That is manslaughter and a a hate crime.

    Try the son of a bitch, the whole country is waiting for this creep to be arrested. Nobody is saying he is automatically guilty or should be lynched, but sure as hell he needs to be put on trial and let a jury decide what he done.
  • DuncanONeil 2012/03/31 03:56:26
    None of the above
    DuncanONeil
    +1
    Is that what the law really says??
  • Classical Liberal 2012/03/30 21:59:04
    Since Zimmerman broke the law concerning neighborhood watch by carrying a gun...
    Classical Liberal
    +1
    he should be held liable. And he should be tried for murder. It's likely he'll get off anyway, but maybe there is evidence that it truly was a murder.
  • Mr. Won... Classic... 2012/04/02 20:32:20
    Mr. Wonderful
    Zimmerman will likely be charged with manslaughter. He recklessly killed another human being and was the instigator that started the whole chan of events that lead to the fatal shooting. Self-defense can not be a defense in such a case, nor does the "stand your ground" law apply. That would be looney. Zimmerman didn't stand his ground,no, he first followed Martin in his car, then on foot, that started to run after him ignoring police dispatcher orders to get back in his car. This clown is as guilty as hell and he knows it, why he's in hiding. I wouldn't be surprised if he skipped town.
  • Classic... Mr. Won... 2012/04/02 20:34:48
    Classical Liberal
    +1
    If his version of the events was true -- that Trayvon was on top of him, beating him senseless -- then I doubt he'd be charged with manslaughter except by a Judge doing some politicking.
  • Mr. Won... Classic... 2012/04/02 22:57:10
    Mr. Wonderful
    Yeah right, sure, a 140 pound teen beats a 250 pound man senseless. Not likely. Curious Zimmerman getting out the squad car is as neat as pin, his shirt is tucked in, there's no visible blood or wound anywhere on his face or head and not a drop of blood or brusing or puffiness either. NOTHING to indicate he was in a "life and death" fight 34 minutes before. That's you're version of being beat senseless?
  • Classic... Mr. Won... 2012/04/02 23:14:26 (edited)
    Classical Liberal
    +1
    Trayvon was over 6' tall. Unless he was being starved and never did any working out, I'm sure he weighed over 160, which is what the police report said as well. And in case you didn't notice, Zimmerman's a fairly chubby guy.

    Also, witnesses reported seeing Trayvon on top of him at one point.
  • mind-pilot 2012/03/30 15:59:57
    The neighborhood watch should be held lible and pay civil penalities for the ...
    mind-pilot
    +1
    Well, yes! Liable since he broke the law to kill an unarmed child. If the kid was vandalizing the parents would have to pay. What's the difference?
  • Mr. Won... mind-pilot 2012/04/02 22:59:30
    Mr. Wonderful
    True, BUT there was no neighborhood watch in this case. The bozo Zimmerman made himself 'captain" of a small group of his neighbors. Commical if this wan't a fatal tradgey all because of the actions of Zimmerman.
  • mind-pilot Mr. Won... 2012/04/05 02:18:45
    mind-pilot
    +1
    Well, then....Zimmerman is a murderer. And he and his family should pay for KILLING an unarmed youngster.
  • Mr. Won... mind-pilot 2012/04/05 03:56:00
    Mr. Wonderful
    It would be a tough sell to a jury unless that can tie in bias. Most likely he will be charged with manslaughter. That will be a tough charge for Zimmerman to run away from since he is the cause and person that started everything in motion. Rarely does anyone get to plead self-defense is such cases. Yes, Martin's family should and probably will sue in civil court for wrongful death. They might have a case against the property owner of the apartment complex too for willful neglect in allowing some kook like Zimmerman to form a pretend neighborhood group.
  • mind-pilot Mr. Won... 2012/04/05 18:53:36
    mind-pilot
    Although, I don't believe in justice in this country (we have a legal system, not a justice system) you probably are right. But something should be served given the evidence is greatly in question. Since most of the evidence was disposed of or covered up by the police in question.
  • Amasaman 2012/03/30 12:40:16
    None of the above
    Amasaman
    He broke no law with regards to carrying a gun.
  • Gloria Amasaman 2012/03/30 21:31:17
    Gloria
    Yes he did, he was convicted of domestic battery, and had a restraining order against him, and the gun permit law and form you fill out CLEARLY STATES that you cannot even get a gun permit if you've been charged with any violent crime, or felony!!! Look it up on the gun permit applications!! Better yet call your local prosecutor's office and ask them, so in this case it means that he should never have had a gun in his possesion!! Have you not listened to any of his past violent history? His ex-wife is the one that had the restraining order on him!!!
  • Amasaman Gloria 2012/03/31 19:29:00
    Amasaman
    Was it within the last three years?
    http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl...
  • BackWoo... Amasaman 2012/04/01 11:07:55
    BackWoodsMike
    Zimmerman was never “convicted” of a felony, and the misdemeanor he was found on, carried no sentence.

    These people only parrot what they read in the media.

    I just sent this to our gullible (and argumentative) friend Gloria.
    - - -
    Here is the official so called violent background on George Zimmerman.

    Seven years ago in 2005 when Zimmerman was 20 years old and was having drinks with a friend that was also underage. The Police were questioning them, Zimmerman shoved the Officer, and was charged, which is procedure. The charges were reduced and all that Zimmerman had to do was go through a two day “alcohol education program”.

    Also in 2005, Zimmerman's x-fiancée and he broke up, and they both filed restraining orders against each other.

    But here is the one that will surely place Zimmerman on Law Enforcement's 10 most wanted list..

    In December of 2006, he received a speeding ticket, but due to the fact that the Officer did not show up to Court, the case was dismissed.

    These are official reports, and you may get copies of them from the State of Florida under the Freedom of information act.
  • Amasaman BackWoo... 2012/04/01 14:45:29
    Amasaman
    +1
    Thanks MIke. I was hoping to entrap her into foolishly answering, since she has no clue about concealed carry disqualifications.

    In Michigan, when the shall issue concealed pistol law was first approved, you could have been denied for having been ticketed for one less floatation device in your boat for the amount of passengers you had. They changed that, and numerous other minor offenses, but some things were downright silly.

    Since Florida and Michigan have a reciprocity agreement, I knew the Florida laws had to be similar to mine here in Michigan. It's obvious she doesn't know the laws.
  • BackWoo... Amasaman 2012/04/01 15:01:45
    BackWoodsMike
    +1
    She only knows what the media spins..

    Some people don't know the difference between a charge and a conviction, our friend is one of them.
  • Mr. Won... BackWoo... 2012/04/02 20:37:05
    Mr. Wonderful
    Oh please... and some blowhard like you gets off pretending you have access to something others don't.
  • BackWoo... Mr. Won... 2012/04/02 20:54:32
    BackWoodsMike
    +1
    The information I have access to is through an inter departmental network.
  • Mr. Won... BackWoo... 2012/04/02 23:03:07
    Mr. Wonderful
    You some kind of junior G-man, playing cops and robbers? I bet you have a tin badge too. You another Walter Mitty type?
    ]
    Let me guess, you're another gun happy cop or sherriff or something.
  • BackWoo... Mr. Won... 2012/04/02 23:04:44
    BackWoodsMike
    +2
    Have a safe day..
  • Mr. Won... BackWoo... 2012/04/02 23:07:53
    Mr. Wonderful
    Hard to do will all the gun nuts running around. Another school shooting in Northern California, 7 more dead.
  • BackWoo... Mr. Won... 2012/04/03 11:54:41
    BackWoodsMike
    +2
    Not to mention the high rate of young men and women being shot in Chicago that has one of the strictest gun control laws in the Country.
  • BackWoo... Gloria 2012/04/01 11:02:44
    BackWoodsMike
    +1
    Here is the official so called violent background on George Zimmerman.

    Seven years ago in 2005 when Zimmerman was 20 years old and was having drinks with a friend that was also underage. The Police were questioning them, Zimmerman shoved the Officer, and was charged, which is procedure. The charges were reduced and all that Zimmerman had to do was go through a two day “alcohol education program”.

    Also in 2005, Zimmerman's x-fiancée and he broke up, and they both filed restraining orders against each other.

    But here is the one that will surely place Zimmerman on Law Enforcement's 10 most wanted list..

    In December of 2006, he received a speeding ticket, but due to the fact that the Officer did not show up to Court, the case was dismissed.

    These are official reports, and you may get copies of them from the State of Florida under the Freedom of information act.
  • Mr. Won... Amasaman 2012/04/02 20:34:33
    Mr. Wonderful
    This case has nothing to with carrying a gun, rather the unlawful discharge of a weapon and the killing of another human being without cause. That's manslaughter.
  • Amasaman Mr. Won... 2012/04/03 01:05:43
    Amasaman
    +1
    As it stands right now, it appears to be a justifiable self defense use of a firearm.
  • Mr. Won... Amasaman 2012/04/03 02:44:48
  • Mr. Won... Amasaman 2012/04/02 23:00:32
    Mr. Wonderful
    Today another nut with a gun at another school in Northern Californiat killed 7 more people. Too damn many gun nuts running around!
  • Amasaman Mr. Won... 2012/04/03 01:03:03
    Amasaman
    +1
    Another nut? Zimmerman's use of a firearm was defensive, not offensive. I don't classify him as a nut.
  • Mr. Won... Amasaman 2012/04/03 02:57:26 (edited)
    Mr. Wonderful
    Read what I just said above in the prior comment. There's a Latin legal term; Ipso facto. In English it means "by the fact itself.” This term means something is so obvious that it needs no elaboration or further explanation. This is such a case.

    Zimmerman was so obviously reckless he hunted down another human like a wild animal without cause and ended up killing him in cold blood. That sir, is a crime. Self defense does NOT apply if as a result of Zimmerman's beyond belief grossly stupid actions the victim (Martin) puts up a defense, which the irony of this case is, he had every legal right to do.

    He (Martin) is the victim, not Zimmerman no matter how you gun nuts try to stick together. If Martin would have shot Zimmerman, Martin would have had a open and shut self-defense case since it was Martin being chased by a much larger and ARMED person and accordingly had reason to fear him and respond to defend his life, not the other way around. Stop thinking like a putz.

    This is why I say GUN NUT and yes clearly that is what Zimmerman is.Are you too?
  • Amasaman Mr. Won... 2012/04/03 12:44:53
    Amasaman
    +1
    By the fact itself, if you attack me from behind, get me to the ground and started punching me and slamming my head into the ground, and I feared for my life, I'd shoot you too.
  • Mr. Won... Amasaman 2012/04/03 13:50:37
    Mr. Wonderful
    There's absolutely not a shread of proof your version of events happened.
  • Amasaman Mr. Won... 2012/04/03 14:26:30
    Amasaman
    +1
    As it stands right now, it appears to be a justifiable self defense use of a firearm.
  • Mr. Won... Amasaman 2012/04/03 14:43:57
    Mr. Wonderful
    Based on what? Oh, because you and other gun nuts say so. Got it.
  • Mr. Won... Amasaman 2012/04/03 14:38:35
    Mr. Wonderful
    No gun nut ever suppects another gun nut of even doing anything wrong, ergo why both are gun nuts. Damn you gun loves make me want to puke. You do NOT have a license to hunt and then kill people and then try to fake a self-defense plea.

    Zimmerman is guilty as hell of pretending to have police powers the Constitution does not give him! I do not want a bunch of psychos armed with guns running around playing Rambo. THAT is what Zimmerman did and now he must face the concquiences of acting like a fool resulting in the talking of a human life.

    There is no justification for what Zimmerman did. He had no business following Martin. THAT starts the chain of events and any dummy that thinks you can cop-out with a self-defense plea doesn't have a clue how the legal system works.
  • Amasaman Mr. Won... 2012/04/03 14:56:14
    Amasaman
    Have you taken a concealed carry self defense course offered or approved by the NRA?

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