As soon as I find that I have a top ten on my write-in Vice-President poll, I plan to use it to make a dual-vote balanced plurality poll for Barack Obama's vice president. Please consider writing in your choice for vice president to help me get a top ten write-ins.
http://sodahead.com/poll/86051
Here are the results so far of this write-in poll for Barack Obama's vice president.
12 votes for William Richardson
8 votes for Johnny Edwards
4 votes for Joseph Biden
3 votes for Kathleen Sebelius
3 votes for Wesley Clark
2 votes for Albert Gore
1 vote for Ted Strickland
1 vote for Russell Feingold
1 vote for Mahmoud Ahmedinejad
1 vote for John Kerry
1 vote for Jane Harman
1 vote for Harold Ford
1 vote for Gloria la Riva
1 vote for Denzel Washington
1 vote for David Chamberlain
1 vote for Colin Powell
1 vote for Charles Hagel
1 vote for Cindy Sheehan
1 vote for Chris Dodd
1 vote for Brian Schweitzer
6 net votes AGAINST Hillary Clinton (1 - 7 = -6)
~4am, May 20th, 2008
http://sodahead.com/poll/86051
Again, I still don't have a clear top ten yet. Need more votes. Please go there and write in your vote, and encourage your friends to write in their choice as well.
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Simple Electoral Reform for Fair and Balanced Elections
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Real change starts with something different!
The "Anybody but Bush" crowd had to choose between being misrepresented and not being represented at all. What if in the 2004 presidential election, you had been given the option of a negative vote? How would you have voted?
[+] Imagine the 2000 presidential election allowing each of us a "for" vote and an "against" vote. How do you think you would have voted? Cast your vote FOR a candidate here, and cast your vote against a candidate on the other page.
[-] Imagine the 2000 presidential election allowing each of us a "for" vote and an "against" vote. how do you think you would have voted? Cast your vote AGAINST a candidate here, and cast your vote for a candidate on the other page.
(+) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote FOR if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)
(-) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote AGAINST if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)
As of May 19th, 2008, the results of this dual-vote poll so far are as follows...
28 net votes for Barack Obama (46 - 18 = 28)
3 Vote for Ron Paul
2 net votes for Kat Swift (3 - 1 = 2)
2 write-in votes for Fred Thompson
1 write-in vote for Joe Biden
1 write-in vote for Mitt Romney
1 net vote for Mary Ruwart (2 - 1 = 1)
1 Vote for Ralph Nader
0 Vote for Cynthia McKinney
1 net vote AGAINST Mike Huckabee (1 - 2 = -1)
1 vote AGAINST Alan Keyes
8 net votes AGAINST Hillary Rodham Clinton (18 - 26 = -8)
22 net votes AGAINST John McCain (4 - 26 = -22)
(and 1 vote for All of the above )
(+) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote FOR if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)
(-) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote AGAINST if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)
And now for yet another dual-vote 2008 Presidential election poll with this alternative choice of minor party candidates. Again. for a write-in vote, choose None of the Above and leave the write-in name as a comment. In this poll the major party candidates are Hillary Clinton and John McCain. This variation makes for good a comparison of electability.
(+) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote FOR if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)
(-) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote AGAINST if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)
Now, I would like to do this a little more scientifically. The following two polls are not parts of a dual-poll but rather are each a simulation of the traditional plurality voting system. These are to be used as a control group for comparison with the Balanced Plurality voting system.
If Barack Obama won the Democratic nomination and Hillary Clinton decided to run in the general election as independent, who would you vote for?
If Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nomination and Barack Obama decided to run in the general election as independent, who would you vote for?
As of May 19th, 2008, the results of this poll so far are as follows...
58 votes for Barack Obama (independent)
28 votes for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
6 votes for John McCain (Republican)
1 write-in vote for Ron Paul
1 write-in for Kat Swift
(4 Undecided)
If Barack Obama won the Democratic nomination and Hillary Clinton decided to run in the general election as independent, how would you vote if you could choose for or against any candidate?
2 write-in votes for Kat Swift
1 net vote for John McCain (4 - 3 = 1)
1 net vote AGAINST Hillary Clinton (17 - 18 = -1)
If Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nomination and Barack Obama decided to run in the general election as independent, how would you vote if you could choose for or against any candidate?
Finally, as a last example I would like to leave you with a single-vote Balanced Plurality poll having three of the minor party candidates from the 2008 presidential election against a less popular major party candidate.
(Subtract "Against" votes from "For" votes for net results.) If only the women currently running for president were on the ballot in the general election and you could vote for or against anyone, how would you vote?
As of May 19th 2008, the results of this poll so far are as follows...
26 votes for Kat Swift
9 net votes for Cynthia McKinney (10 - 1 = 9)
5 write-in votes for Barack Obama
1 vote for an undisclosed candidate selected based on gender
1 undisclosed write-in.
1 vote AGAINST Mary Ruwart
12 net votes AGAINST Hillary Clinton (7 - 18 - 1 write-in = -12)
Just think. Some day we could actually vote to keep out a politician that we know to be the wrong person for the job rather than to risk letting such a person win based on name recognition alone.
Finally, we would have an effective multi-partisan electoral system in which the BEST CANDIDATE could win under ANY political party rather than having to run under one of two parties with an unfair advantage that they never earned.
No longer would we have to settle for the lesser of two evils in election after election. This would reform politics by helping to reduce the number of bad politicians that make it into high level offices.
As an introduction to the idea of a Balanced Plurality voting system, take a look at the following crude poll based roughly on the 2004 presidential election. In this example the ballot is not totally ballanced, due to limitations in the poll creation interface, however it is still possible to see the difference that having a choice between a positive vote and a negative vote can make in the potential outcome of an election and more importantly in the ability of the voters to be fairly and accurately represented by the votes they cast. To calculate the net vote count for a given candidate, subtract the votes against a candidate from the votes for the candidate. In this poll, the votes against a particular candidate are labeled as "Anybody but" that candidate.
Balanced Plurality style 2004 Presidential Election poll
The "Anybody but Bush" crowd had to choose between being misrepresented and not being represented at all. What if in the 2004 presidential election, you had been given the option of a negative vote? How would you have voted?
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TechnoZeus
For those who would like the chance to express a negative vote, here's your chance. Simply subtract the votes against a presidential candidate from the votes for the candidate. The highest net-vote count is the winner!
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As of May 19th, 2008, the results of this poll so far are as follows.
13 net votes for John Kerry (Democratic party) with running mate John Edwards (14 - 1 = 13)
2 net votes for Ralph Nader (Independent, Reform party) with running mate Peter Camejo (3 - 1 = 2)
1 vote for Michael Badnarik (Libertarian party) with running mate Richard Campagna
1 split write-in vote for Donald Duck and Pluto
0 votes for or against Walt Brown (Socialist party) with running mate Mary Alice Herbert
0 votes for or against David Cobb (Green party) with running mate Pat LaMarche
0 votes for or against Michael Peroutka (Constitution party) with running mate Chuck Baldwin
31 net votes AGAINST George W. Bush (Republican party) with running mate Richard Cheney (8 - 39 = -31. Negative net vote count.)
(1 vote for All of the above)
(1 undecided)
As a second example of a form of Balanced Plurality voting system, have a look at my dual-vote poll based on the 2000 Presidential election. In this case the poll is split into two web pages with one page allowing the positive vote and the other allowing the negative vote. This allows a choice of either a vote for a candidate or a vote against a candidate or one of each. Ideally when two votes are cast by the same person they should each count as only half a vote, but for simplicity I am not weighting the votes in this poll. Simply subtract the votes Against a candidate from the votes For the same candidate, just like in the first example.
Dual-Vote Balanced Plurality style 2000 Presidential Election poll - Positive Vote part
[+] Imagine the 2000 presidential election allowing each of us a "for" vote and an "against" vote. How do you think you would have voted? Cast your vote FOR a candidate here, and cast your vote against a candidate on the other page.
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TechnoZeus
This is the POSITIVE vote part of a dual-vote poll. For a write-in, choose None of the Above.
Dual-Vote Balanced Plurality style 2000 Presidential Election poll - Negative Vote part
[-] Imagine the 2000 presidential election allowing each of us a "for" vote and an "against" vote. how do you think you would have voted? Cast your vote AGAINST a candidate here, and cast your vote for a candidate on the other page.
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TechnoZeus
This is the NEGATIVE vote part of a dual-vote poll. For a write-in, choose None of the Above.
As of May 19th, 2008, the results of this dual-vote poll so far are as follows...
12 net votes for Al Gore (Democrat) (13 - 1 = 12)
3 Vote for Harry Browne (Libertarian)
2 Vote for Alan Keyes (Republican)
2 Vote for Bill Bradley (Democrat)
2 Vote for Howard Phillips (Constitution)
1 write-in vote for Bob Kerrey
1 net vote for Pat Buchanan (Reform) (2 - 1 = 1)
0 Vote for Gary Bauer (Republican)
0 Vote for George W. Bush (Republican)
0 Vote for Steve Forbes (Republican)
4 net votes AGAINST John McCain (Republican) (1 - 5 = -4)
24 votes AGAINST George W. Bush (Republican)
(2 Undecided )
Next, applying the same dual-vote system to the 2008 presidential election with a selection of candidates, here is another two part simulation. Just think of this poll as a cross between the primaries and the general election, without the need for an electoral college.
Dual-Vote Balanced Plurality style 2008 Presidential Election poll - Poitive Vote part
(+) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote FOR if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)
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TechnoZeus
This is the POSITIVE vote part of a two vote system poll.
Dual-Vote Balanced Plurality style 2008 Presidential Election poll - Negative Vote part
(-) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote AGAINST if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)
author
TechnoZeus
This is the NEGATIVE vote part of a two vote system poll.
As of May 19th, 2008, the results of this dual-vote poll so far are as follows...
28 net votes for Barack Obama (46 - 18 = 28)
3 Vote for Ron Paul
2 net votes for Kat Swift (3 - 1 = 2)
2 write-in votes for Fred Thompson
1 write-in vote for Joe Biden
1 write-in vote for Mitt Romney
1 net vote for Mary Ruwart (2 - 1 = 1)
1 Vote for Ralph Nader
0 Vote for Cynthia McKinney
1 net vote AGAINST Mike Huckabee (1 - 2 = -1)
1 vote AGAINST Alan Keyes
8 net votes AGAINST Hillary Rodham Clinton (18 - 26 = -8)
22 net votes AGAINST John McCain (4 - 26 = -22)
(and 1 vote for All of the above )
Now for another dual-vote 2008 Presidential election poll but with a different choice of minor party candidates. In this poll the major party candidates are Barack Obama and John McCain. For a write-in vote, choose None of the Above and leave the write-in name as a comment.
Dual-Vote Balanced Plurality style 2008 Presidential Election poll - Poitive Vote part
(+) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote FOR if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)
author
TechnoZeus
This is the POSITIVE vote part of a two vote system poll.
Dual-Vote Balanced Plurality style 2008 Presidential Election poll - Negative Vote part
(-) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote AGAINST if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)
author
TechnoZeus
This is the NEGATIVE vote part of a two vote system poll.
As of May 19th, 2008, the results of this dual-vote poll so far are as follows...
22 net votes for Barack Obama (35 - 13 = 22)
5 net write-in votes for Hillary Clinton (7 - 2 = 5)
1 vote for Kat Swift (Green Party)
1 vote for Mary Ruwart (Libertarian Party)
0 net votes for or against Cynthia McKinney (1 - 1 = 0)
0 votes for or against Christine Smith (Libertarian Party)
0 votes for or against Karen Kwiatkowski (Libertarian Party)
0 votes for or against Teresa Gutierrez (Workers World Party)
0 votes for or against Diane Templin (American Party)
1 vote AGAINST Gloria La Riva (Party for Socialism and Liberation / Peace & Freedom Party)
25 net votes AGAINST John McCain (5 - 30 = -25)
And now for yet another dual-vote 2008 Presidential election poll with this alternative choice of minor party candidates. Again. for a write-in vote, choose None of the Above and leave the write-in name as a comment. In this poll the major party candidates are Hillary Clinton and John McCain. This variation makes for good a comparison of electability.
Dual-Vote Balanced Plurality style 2008 Presidential Election poll - Poitive Vote part
(+) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote FOR if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)
author
TechnoZeus
This is the POSITIVE vote part of a two vote system poll.
Dual-Vote Balanced Plurality style 2008 Presidential Election poll - Negative Vote part
(-) If the 2008 presidential election had been a popular vote election allowing each of us to vote twice (once for and once against) who would you vote AGAINST if the following candidates were on the ballot? (Subtract votes against from votes for.)
author
TechnoZeus
This is the NEGATIVE vote part of a two vote system poll.
As of May 19th, 2008, the results of this dual-vote poll so far are as follows...
4 votes for Kat Swift (Green Party)
3 net write-in votes for Barack Obama (5 - 2 = 3)
2 write-in vote for Ron Paul
1 vote for Cynthia McKinney (Green Party / Peace & Freedom Party)
0 votes for or against Mary Ruwart (Libertarian Party)
0 votes for or against Christine Smith (Libertarian Party)
0 votes for or against Karen Kwiatkowski (Libertarian Party)
0 votes for or against Teresa Gutierrez (Workers World Party)
0 votes for or against Gloria La Riva (Party for Socialism and Liberation / Peace & Freedom Party)
0 votes for or against Diane Templin (American Party)
7 net votes AGAINGT John McCain (1 - 8 = -7)
11 votes against Hillary Clinton (Democratic Party)
That should be enough to give you the basic idea.
Now, I would like to do this a little more scientifically. The following two polls are not parts of a dual-poll but rather are each a simulation of the traditional plurality voting system. These are to be used as a control group for comparison with the Balanced Plurality voting system.
Barack Obama vs. John McCain - Control test
If Barack Obama won the Democratic nomination and Hillary Clinton decided to run in the general election as independent, who would you vote for?
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TechnoZeus
2008 presidential election poll to demonstrate the traditional plurality voting systems as a control test.
As of May 19, 2008, the results of this poll so far are as follows...
49 votes for Barack Obama
17 votes for Hillary Clinton
8 votes for John McCain
1 write-in vote for Kat Swift
1 write-in vote for Paris Hilton
Hillary Clinton vs. John McCain - Control test
If Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nomination and Barack Obama decided to run in the general election as independent, who would you vote for?
author
TechnoZeus
2008 presidential election poll to demonstrate the traditional plurality voting systems as a control test.
As of May 19th, 2008, the results of this poll so far are as follows...
58 votes for Barack Obama (independent)
28 votes for Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
6 votes for John McCain (Republican)
1 write-in vote for Ron Paul
1 write-in for Kat Swift
(4 Undecided)
And next are two polls that are each a simulation of a single vote Balanced Plurality voting system.
These may be compared with the control group.
Barack Obama vs. John McCain - Fair and Balanced Voting System example
If Barack Obama won the Democratic nomination and Hillary Clinton decided to run in the general election as independent, how would you vote if you could choose for or against any candidate?
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TechnoZeus
2008 presidential election poll using a single vote Balanced Plurality voting system.
2 write-in votes for Kat Swift
1 net vote for John McCain (4 - 3 = 1)
1 net vote AGAINST Hillary Clinton (17 - 18 = -1)
Hillary Clinton vs. John McCain - Fair and Balanced Voting System example
If Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nomination and Barack Obama decided to run in the general election as independent, how would you vote if you could choose for or against any candidate?
author
TechnoZeus
2008 presidential election poll using a single vote Balanced Plurality voting system.
As of May 19th, 2008, the results of this poll so far are as follows...
(Including 1 split write-in vote between Barack Obama and Ron Paul)
37.5 net votes for Barack Obama (39 ballot + 1.5 write-in - 3 = 37.5)
11 net votes for Hillary Clinton (30 - 19 = 11)
2 net votes for John McCain (6 - 4 = 2)
1 write-in vote for Kat Swift
1 Undecided (without a write-in)
1 None of the above (without a write-in)
0.5 write-in votes for Ron Paul
Finally, as a last example I would like to leave you with a single-vote Balanced Plurality poll having three of the minor party candidates from the 2008 presidential election against a less popular major party candidate.
Single Vote 2008 Presidential Election Balanced Plurality poll with a single less popular major party candidate
(Subtract "Against" votes from "For" votes for net results.) If only the women currently running for president were on the ballot in the general election and you could vote for or against anyone, how would you vote?
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TechnoZeus
Please choose your vote FOR or AGAINST a candidate.
As of May 19th 2008, the results of this poll so far are as follows...
26 votes for Kat Swift
9 net votes for Cynthia McKinney (10 - 1 = 9)
5 write-in votes for Barack Obama
1 vote for an undisclosed candidate selected based on gender
1 undisclosed write-in.
1 vote AGAINST Mary Ruwart
12 net votes AGAINST Hillary Clinton (7 - 18 - 1 write-in = -12)
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As soon as I find that I have a top ten on my write-in Vice-President poll, I plan to use it to make a dual-vote balanced plurality poll for Barack Obama's vice president. Please consider writing in your choice for vice president to help me get a top ten write-ins.(more)View thread
http://sodahead.com/poll/86051
Here are the results so far of this write-in poll for Barack Obama's vice president.
12 votes for William Richardson
8 votes for Johnny Edwards
4 votes for Joseph Biden
3 votes for Kathleen Sebelius
3 votes for Wesley Clark
2 votes for Albert Gore
1 vote for Ted Strickland
1 vote for Russell Feingold
1 vote for Mahmoud Ahmedinejad
1 vote for John Kerry
1 vote for Jane Harman
1 vote for Harold Ford
1 vote for Gloria la Riva
1 vote for Denzel Washington
1 vote for David Chamberlain
1 vote for Colin Powell
1 vote for Charles Hagel
1 vote for Cindy Sheehan
1 vote for Chris Dodd
1 vote for Brian Schweitzer
6 net votes AGAINST Hillary Clinton (1 - 7 = -6)
~4am, May 20th, 2008
http://sodahead.com/poll/86051
Again, I still don't have a clear top ten yet. Need more votes. Please go there and write in your vote, and encourage your friends to write in their choice as well.
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http://sodahead.com/poll/86051
Here are the results so far of this write-in poll for Barack Obama's vice president.
12 votes for William Richardson
8 votes for Johnny Edwards
4 votes for Joseph Biden
3 votes for Kathleen Sebelius
3 votes for Wesley Clark
2 votes for Albert Gore
1 vote for Ted Strickland
1 vote for Russell Feingold
1 vote for Mahmoud Ahmedinejad
1 vote for John Kerry
1 vote for Jane Harman
1 vote for Harold Ford
1 vote for Gloria la Riva
1 vote for Denzel Washington
1 vote for David Chamberlain
1 vote for Colin Powell
1 vote for Charles Hagel
1 vote for Cindy Sheehan
1 vote for Chris Dodd
1 vote for Brian Schweitzer
6 net votes AGAINST Hillary Clinton (1 - 7 = -6)
~4am, May 20th, 2008
http://sodahead.com/poll/86051
Again, I still don't have a clear top ten yet. Need more votes. Please go there and write in your vote, and encourage your friends to write in their choice as well.
http://sodahead.com/poll/86051
Here are the results so far of this write-in poll for Barack Obama's vice president.
12 votes for William Richardson
8 votes for Johnny Edwards
4 votes for Joseph Biden
3 votes for Kathleen Sebelius
3 votes for Wesley Clark
2 votes for Albert Gore
1 vote for Ted Strickland
1 vote for Russell Feingold
1 vote for Mahmoud Ahmedinejad
1 vote for John Kerry
1 vote for Jane Harman
1 vote for Harold Ford
1 vote for Gloria la Riva
1 vote for Denzel Washington
1 vote for David Chamberlain
1 vote for Colin Powell
1 vote for Charles Hagel
1 vote for Cindy Sheehan
1 vote for Chris Dodd
1 vote for Brian Schweitzer
6 net votes AGAINST Hillary Clinton (1 - 7 = -6)
~4am, May 20th, 2008
http://sodahead.com/poll/86051
Again, I still don't have a clear top ten yet. Need more votes. Please go there and write in your vote, and encourage your friends to write in their choice as well.
I have found it interesting that the more time people have to get to know Hillary Clinton, the less they like her, and likewise the more they get to know John McCain, the less they like him... and yet the more they get to know Barack Obama, the more they want him to be the next president of the United States of America.
People on the news have been asking the question "why can't Barack Obama win in (fillin the blank here with anywhere that Hillary has won lately) and the answer is... He can.
Barack Obama is through with the primary election, for the most part. He's doing just enough primary campaigning to keep Hillary from having a strong case against him to convince the superdelegates to go her way, but while she is claiming to be winning, to have the most votes, and to be the most electable, Barack Obama is ACTUALLY winning, and ACTUALLY has the most vote, states won, contests won, delegates won, total delegates, superdelegates, primaries, and caucuses won... and is ACTUALLY busy preparing to ACTUALLY win against John McCain in the general election. It makes sense for him to do so because even if Hillary gets her way and the delegates from Florida and Michigan are seated as-is, without a fair contest having taken place in either of those two ...
I have found it interesting that the more time people have to get to know Hillary Clinton, the less they like her, and likewise the more they get to know John McCain, the less they like him... and yet the more they get to know Barack Obama, the more they want him to be the next president of the United States of America.
People on the news have been asking the question "why can't Barack Obama win in (fillin the blank here with anywhere that Hillary has won lately) and the answer is... He can.
Barack Obama is through with the primary election, for the most part. He's doing just enough primary campaigning to keep Hillary from having a strong case against him to convince the superdelegates to go her way, but while she is claiming to be winning, to have the most votes, and to be the most electable, Barack Obama is ACTUALLY winning, and ACTUALLY has the most vote, states won, contests won, delegates won, total delegates, superdelegates, primaries, and caucuses won... and is ACTUALLY busy preparing to ACTUALLY win against John McCain in the general election. It makes sense for him to do so because even if Hillary gets her way and the delegates from Florida and Michigan are seated as-is, without a fair contest having taken place in either of those two states, and even if in addition to that the DNC gave ALL of the pledge delegates from the remaining contests to Hillary Clinton just to make her happy... he would still be ahead.
Yep... she counts on a percentage of people falling for it, and the do. Of course, we can win many of them in time, and keep them... because it's easier get someone who believes a lie to see the truth than to get someone who has learned the truth to think they were mistaken. He plan is too short sighted. It only works when we don't have enough time to defeat it... and right now, Barack Obama's busy with the general election campaign.
He seems to pretty consistently do better than the polls predict.