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Showdown in Florida: Lawsuits fly as Florida continues to purge its voting roles. Whose Side Are you on?

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The Battle Royal begins in Florida. In this corner we have Governor Rick Scott, who wants to purge the Florida Voting Roles of 182,000 SUSPECTED illegal voters.

Governor Rick Scott

In this corner we have the United States Federal Government, who says that this is an attempt at voter suppression. The Department of Justice has ORDERED, the state of Florida to stop purging its voter roles in this fashion.

Department of Justice


The Justice Department said it will sue Florida in federal court for
violating two federal laws that prevent states from suppressing voters.
The state will be subject to "enforcement action," the agency said in a
curtly worded letter.

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Hours earlier, Florida filed a lawsuit of its own against the federal
government. Secretary of State Ken Detzner, who oversees elections, sued
the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, accusing the agency of
denying access to a federal database with information about immigrants.
The lawsuit claims the federal agency forced the state to run afoul of
at least one of the two federal voting laws the Justice Department
accuses it of flouting.

So Whose side are you on: The State of Florida and Rick Scott or the Federal government Department of Justice?

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  • JP 2012/06/12 13:15:15
    I support Rick Scott in the voter Purge
    JP
    +11
    If you are dead or are here without becoming a citizen, you do not get to vote.

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  • Hawkeye Seonag 2012/06/12 21:01:10
    Hawkeye
    +3
    If these Left WIngers didn't have LIES and FEARMONGERING to make their arguments,, you'd NEVER hear a word out of them..
  • Jeremiah Hawkeye 2012/06/13 16:20:10
    Jeremiah
    Lies and fearmongering are the province of the right wing. We prefer enlightenment and truth.
  • Hawkeye Jeremiah 2012/06/13 16:33:10
    Hawkeye
    You use a LOT of words where ONE will do when talking about the left..

    That one word..

    Delusional..
  • Jeremiah Hawkeye 2012/06/13 17:19:49
    Jeremiah
    Are you saying more than one word causes you to experience a burnout? I will try to use fewer words for you, and keep them to one syllable each.
  • schjaz Jeremiah 2012/06/13 17:08:36
    schjaz
    Lies and fearmongering seems to have been overtaken by the left wing as of Oblahblah. didn't like it when the repubs did it and still don't like it now.
  • Jeremiah schjaz 2012/06/13 17:20:41
    Jeremiah
    Sorry, that didn't make sense.
  • schjaz Jeremiah 2012/06/13 17:48:46
    schjaz
    you okay? it made sense.
  • Jeremiah schjaz 2012/06/13 18:30:49
    Jeremiah
    To you perhaps. You could oblige me with a clarification, or you could forget about it.
  • schjaz Jeremiah 2012/06/13 20:31:54
    schjaz
    +1
    Since Obama got into office, the left has overtaken the right in the departments of fearmongering and lying.
  • Jeremiah schjaz 2012/06/14 02:49:16
    Jeremiah
    How so?
  • Jeremiah Seonag 2012/06/13 16:19:07
    Jeremiah
    I didn't say it did. Florida is removing people with Hispanic surnames on the chance they could be illegal. They are removing people with names similar to those of convicted criminals. They are making no effort in assuring their eliminations are justified. In effect, they are forcing people to prove in court that they are eligible voters. That is a violation of the Voting Rights Act.

    Just curious. Have you ever read the Voting Rights Act?
  • Seonag Jeremiah 2012/06/13 20:43:44
    Seonag
    First they are not removing any names from any rolls until they have followed proper notification and attempts to verify the eligibility. Second, if the name is 'removed' and the person appears to vote, they can vote with a provisional ballot and then provide the proper documentation. Third, not only Hispanic surnames are being questioned. My cousin (whose last name is NOT Hispanic but German) moved to a new district and changed her registration in Florida. The Registrar was to notify her former district. She also got a letter --- 1) failed to sign her name to the form; 2) registered in 2 districts. She quickly went down and straightened the matter out!

    And yes, I read the Voting Rights Act in paralegal school!
  • Jeremiah Seonag 2012/06/14 03:03:54 (edited)
    Jeremiah
    In a letter sent to the Florida Secretary of State last evening, Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez argued that Florida is violating the National Voter Registration Act and the Voting Rights Act.

    Florida Election Supervisors Continue to Balk At Scott’s Illegal Voter Purge.
    Even before the legal battle over Scott’s plan heated up this week, all of Florida’s election supervisors had halted any participation in the purge. Some counties have even already reinstated voters they’d already purged.

    Even Republican election supervisors are having none of it. Republican Ann McFall, county supervisor of elections for Volusia County, said that Scott’s lawsuit against the federal government does not have her support and she will not resume purging voters before the elections, regardless of the suit’s outcome:

    “No I do not support the lawsuit. It is [about] helping the Governor and Secretary of State improve their image. I am not doing any further voter purge until after Nov 2012.” –– The Progress Report

    It looks like this case will end up in the federal courts. With a fast track, it should be resolved before the November election, against the wishes of Governor Scott.
  • schjaz Jeremiah 2012/06/13 17:07:20
    schjaz
    you can't just state stuff you THINK as facts....sheesh. its not suppression...its the law. you cannot have dead and non citizens voting.
  • Jeremiah schjaz 2012/06/13 17:23:10 (edited)
    Jeremiah
    We don't. The cases of actual voter fraud are minuscule.

    I make nothing up. I have sources to support anything I say. In this case the 1965 Voting Rights Act is my guide.
  • schjaz Jeremiah 2012/06/13 17:49:32
    schjaz
    voter rights do not include dead ppl and illegals. you know that.
  • Jeremiah schjaz 2012/06/13 18:32:11 (edited)
    Jeremiah
    I never said they did. The number of voter-fraud cases in this country are so minuscule as to pose no problem for the electoral system.

    You probably have evidence that Scott's purge has turned up the names of dead people and illegals. We would be interested in seeing what you have.
  • schjaz Jeremiah 2012/06/13 20:34:31
    schjaz
    Well, that is what the state of FL is purging. Mickey Mouse, the dead and illegals. They have an obligation to conduct clean tabulations.
    I don't know what Scott's purge has shown. I think that is up to the state of FL. But, he must be feeling pretty confident that he has done it right because he is suing the feds.
  • Jeremiah schjaz 2012/06/14 03:07:22
    Jeremiah
    In a letter sent to the Florida Secretary of State last evening, Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez argued that Florida is violating the National Voter Registration Act and the Voting Rights Act.

    Florida Election Supervisors Continue to Balk At Scott’s Illegal Voter Purge.
    Even before the legal battle over Scott’s plan heated up this week, all of Florida’s election supervisors had halted any participation in the purge. Some counties have even already reinstated voters they’d already purged.

    Even Republican election supervisors are having none of it. Republican Ann McFall, county supervisor of elections for Volusia County, said that Scott’s lawsuit against the federal government does not have her support and she will not resume purging voters before the elections, regardless of the suit’s outcome:

    “No I do not support the lawsuit. It is [about] helping the Governor and Secretary of State improve their image. I am not doing any further voter purge until after Nov 2012.” –– The Progress Report

    It looks like this case will end up in the federal courts. With a fast track, it should be resolved before the November election, against the wishes of Governor Scott.
  • bob 2012/06/12 17:01:36
    I support the department of justice and believe it is voter suppression.
    bob
    +3
    Rich "the Scum Pond" Scott knows it's the only way Republicans can win in Florida is to fix the elections.
  • Studied 2012/06/12 16:50:26
    I support Rick Scott in the voter Purge
    Studied
    +3
    I support NOT allowing non elligible voters to vote. Why won't Homeland Security give their list of non citizen residents of Florida to the state to make the purge easier. What is Homeland Security actually trying to keep hidden?
  • Jeremiah Studied 2012/06/12 17:07:12
    Jeremiah
    +1
    Homeland Security is not interested in making it easier for Scott to suppress voting by minorities and anyone else likely to vote Democratic, which is the point of their exercise.
  • Seonag Jeremiah 2012/06/12 19:48:56
    Seonag
    +2
    So you think it is okay for an illegal person to vote? They are also removing dead people and those who have moved to another voting district or state. And Homeland Security is supposed to, under law, share that database! It's the Democrats controlling Homeland Security that don't want to make it easier for Florida to do what the law requires.
  • Jeremiah Seonag 2012/06/13 16:22:27
    Jeremiah
    Of those removed so far, 95% have been found to be eligible. Scott's vetting system isn't working very well, is it?
  • Seonag Jeremiah 2012/06/13 20:45:34
    Seonag
    They were NOT removed. They received a notification asking them to provide documentation which they were able to do! There is a big difference. My cousin received one of those and sorted out the matter quickly.
  • Jeremiah Seonag 2012/06/14 03:09:17
    Jeremiah
    People assigned to purge names for Scott see it differently than you do, which is why many of them refuse to continue, regardless of the outcome of the lawsuits.
  • Studied Jeremiah 2012/06/15 23:07:18
    Studied
    I have not heard of anyone one in Florida refusing to purge their records.
  • Jeremiah Studied 2012/06/16 01:47:13 (edited)
    Jeremiah
    There is more bad news for Gov. Scott. According to Public Policy Polling, 50% of Floridians disapprove of Rick Scott’s attempt to purge votes, with only 34% approving. Believe it or not, Rick has actually gotten less popular due to his plan to suppress the vote. Scott’s approval rating has sunk to 31%. His disapproval rating is at 56%.

    More importantly, Scott’s scheme seems to have destroyed any momentum that Mitt Romney was gaining in the Sunshine State. Romney has been able to make up one point on Obama since April. The president has gone from a 50%-45% lead to a 50%-46% lead. While Florida registered voters are split on Obama 49%-46%, the still don’t like Romney. The Republican nominee has an upside down 39%/53% approval rating in the state.

    http://www.politicususa.com/r...
  • Jeremiah Studied 2012/06/16 02:09:02
    Jeremiah
    Even Republican election supervisors are having none of it. Republican Ann McFall, county supervisor of elections for Volusia County, said that Scott’s lawsuit against the federal government does not have her support and she will not resume purging voters before the elections, regardless of the suit’s outcome:

    “No I do not support the lawsuit. It is [about] helping the Governor and Secretary of State improve their image. I am not doing any further voter purge until after Nov 2012.” –– The Progress Report
  • Studied Jeremiah 2012/06/15 23:08:49
    Studied
    Problem is many folks have moved so when they sent out the renewed voter cards, they were returned as undeliverable. It is the responsibility of our government to determine if those that moved are still here and if so, why did they not notify the polling agency of their change of address as required by law.
  • Jeremiah Studied 2012/06/16 01:38:35
    Jeremiah
    That is so much phony baloney. It is all about purging as many Democratic voters from the rolls as possible, and making it difficult for them to regain eligible status. It is no accident that this is happening so close to November.
  • Studied Jeremiah 2012/06/15 23:06:23
    Studied
    This has absolutely nothing to do with trying to suppress the votes of anyone. As for minorities, the reason the largest percentage is Hispanic is simply because they make up the largest part of the population in South Florida..............Actually over 60%. I live in Florida and this is a problem. In the workforce it is not uncommon for a potential employee to provide false/forged documentation.
  • Jeremiah Studied 2012/06/16 01:42:42
    Jeremiah
    It has everything to do with voter suppression. If what you say is true, why wasn't this done last year or the year before? No, it is no coincidence that it is being done less than five months before the November election.

    The list is heavy with Hispanic names, but it also contains many whose names are similar to those of convicted felons. Not the same as the felons; similar in the smallest ways. Anything to get more Democratic voters off the rolls and deliver the state to the GOP as they did in 2000.
  • Jeremiah Studied 2012/06/13 16:21:06
    Jeremiah
    Nothing. They are not interested in being party to voter purges.
  • The Duke 2012/06/12 16:16:13
    I support Rick Scott in the voter Purge
    The Duke
    +5
    It is a STATE'S RIGHT to maintain valid voter registration. The Federal government has NO business intervening whatsoever.
  • Jeremiah The Duke 2012/06/12 17:05:27
    Jeremiah
    +1
    It does if federal law is being violated.
  • Hawkeye Jeremiah 2012/06/12 17:53:25
    Hawkeye
    +3
    Federal Law is NOT being violated by efforts to validate the voter roles..
  • Jeremiah Hawkeye 2012/06/12 19:29:33
    Jeremiah
    +1
    It is if thousands of voters are being eliminated for nebulous reasons, like "voter fraud," which is non-existent in Florida. It turns out about 95% of those tossed by Scott are indeed legal. It is a naked attempt to purge as many persons likely to vote Democratic as possible.
  • Seonag Jeremiah 2012/06/12 19:52:42
    Seonag
    +2
    Actually the 95% of the small group that is being considered here (less than 3,000) have NOT been eliminated. They have proven their eligibility to vote. We did the same thing here two years ago. About 98 had completed motor-voter forms but neglected to certify citizenship and/or failed to sign the form. All received letters and complied with the law (removing 2 who were NOT US Citizens).
  • Jeremiah Seonag 2012/06/16 02:12:36
    Jeremiah
    You are talking about Tennessee. We are discussing Florida.

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