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Shouldn't "Pro-Choice" people be "Pro-Prostitution"?

MarinerFH 2012/06/29 16:26:42
Yes, pro-choice should support pro-prostitution...
No, pro-choice only cares about enabling abortions...
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If it really is "a woman's choice what she does with her own body" then by default prostitution is nothing more than a Woman's Choice.

Therefore, shouldn't the Pro-Choice people be out fighting for the "Rights of Prostitutes to "Choose"?

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  • Philo-Publius 2012/06/29 17:29:55
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    Philo-Publius
    +22
    In a perfect world, yes: Where the choice to rent one's body to a man is 100% free, willful and deliberate, and not done to overcome need or lack (when it's not done to put food on one's table, pay rent or provide for one's own needs or one's children), then certainly. What a woman does with her body is to be upheld as being her choice.

    The problem, however, is that in almost all cases, prostitution is not engaged in by choice. It is seldom willful, deliberate, or selected amid other equally (or even reasonably) well-paying (or ever poorly-paying) opportunities that are before the woman. Often it is performed due to drug addiction or pimps enticing/coercing/threatening them into this lifestyle, wherein they are physically or mentally compromised, and thus cannot truly be said to consent.

    So, while I am pro-choice as well as pro-prostitution, I am philosophically consistent in that I demand the latter must be as truly based on choice as the former, and where it isn't, I believe laws and other protections and preventative measures and opportunities must be instituted/created by society in order to ensure that no woman is left to resort to such a practice against her will.

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  • Brandi Angela 2012/07/11 15:16:56
    Yes, pro-choice should support pro-prostitution...
    Brandi Angela
    I am pro-choice and I am in favor of legalizing prostitution. Like making abortion legal made abortions safer, legalizing prostitution will make prostitution safer. If people are willing to pay you for sex why not?
  • La 2012/07/06 06:01:44
    Other, please explain
    La
    There's no "should". You can't tell someone if they believe one thing then they "should" believe another thing. You don't know the reasoning behind their support of [the first thing] so you can't apply the same reasoning to find out why they do/not support [the second thing].

    As it happens, I support both abortion and prostitution :)
  • MarinerFH La 2012/07/07 01:27:51
    MarinerFH
    No one is telling anyone, just asking for them to quit the hypocrisy.
  • La MarinerFH 2012/07/08 02:36:22
    La
    If you take "pro choice" literally, to an extreme, people should be able to do absolutely anything they want, so nothing would be illegal. That's not what "pro choice" refers to. It specifically refers to a woman's right to choose if she will keep her baby.
  • MarinerFH La 2012/07/08 02:40:11
    MarinerFH
    Pro-Choice = Pro-Abortion. Abortion means brutally killing an innocent human life.

    You are correct, taken to the extreme the pro-choice argument would make everything legal. In so doing you yourself are confirming the illegitimacy of that argument.
  • La MarinerFH 2012/07/08 02:41:17
    La
    Would you feel more comfortable if we all started calling it "pro abortion"? I'm happy to do so.
  • mark 2012/07/04 13:11:02
    Other, please explain
    mark
    Prostitutes don't necessarily choose prostitution. In fact , many are forced into prostitution and many feel they have no choice but to continue being a prostitute for a variety of reasons. One , "pro-choice" , does not necessitate the other , "pro-prostitution".
  • Silversnake 2012/07/03 18:42:03
    Yes, pro-choice should support pro-prostitution...
    Silversnake
    +1
    That should be the logic behind it, but it seems that feminist liberals don't agree
  • MarinerFH Silvers... 2012/07/03 20:05:15
    MarinerFH
    +1
    Does anyone expect them to be consistent? Thanks Silversnake.
  • ehrhornp 2012/07/03 18:36:17
    Other, please explain
    ehrhornp
    While I would support both, I can see why some people who support a woman's right to choose would oppose prostitution.
  • MarinerFH ehrhornp 2012/07/03 20:07:30
    MarinerFH
    Prostitution hurts no one while abortion kills an innocent human life. Hmmmm...... Faced with a choice, I'd legalize prostitution.
  • ehrhornp MarinerFH 2012/07/03 20:13:05
    ehrhornp
    Prostitution exploits women. Abortion while not desirable may be better than the alternative. As such abortion needs to be kept an option. Big brother should not get involved in a personal decision. Next thing you know they will require you show up to give blood every other week.
  • MarinerFH ehrhornp 2012/07/03 20:40:34
    MarinerFH
    You are just parroting the Pro-Abortion fallacies and talking points.
  • ehrhornp MarinerFH 2012/07/03 20:43:10
    ehrhornp
    Just speaking the truth. So tell me if the federal government mandates that you must give blood at least once a month, would you do it? or would you fight it?
  • MarinerFH ehrhornp 2012/07/03 21:04:59
    MarinerFH
    Off point. Start your own SH question on that topic.

    Obviously no truths or facts will get through to you. So go ahead and have the last word so I can be done with you.
  • ehrhornp MarinerFH 2012/07/03 23:56:50
    ehrhornp
    Not really. If the government outlaws abortion they are in effect forcing women to give aid and support to a second person. So what is it to stop Gov. from then mandating that people must give blood to save others?
  • arkiii 2012/07/03 15:48:40
    Other, please explain
    arkiii
    +1
    I would agree with the comparison but abortion is legal and prostitution is not. Otherwise I think the argument would hold true. A woman and a man for that matter should be able to wo what they want with their bodies as long as it does not harm anyone else. The government should stay out of peoples private business...
  • MarinerFH arkiii 2012/07/03 15:53:27
    MarinerFH
    +1
    Agreed, except that abortion does harm/murder another human being.
  • arkiii MarinerFH 2012/07/03 16:16:19
    arkiii
    +1
    abortion harms/murders a fetus, not a human being. A fetus becomes a human being when it it born and no longer in the mothers womb. That is why abortion is legal. It is illegal to murder a human being (usually)...
  • MarinerFH arkiii 2012/07/03 20:10:22
    MarinerFH
    Wrong. That is one of the many Big Lies pushed by the Pro-Abortion people. A human life begins the instant of conception, when a new, unique DNA is formed. That is universally accepted scientific fact.
  • arkiii MarinerFH 2012/07/04 13:01:07
    arkiii
    Wrong. that is a big lie pushed by anti-abortion people. Check your facts. A fertilized egg is not a human being. it has the potential to become one but is not considered one legally, that is why abortion is legal.
  • FeedFwd 2012/07/02 15:05:52
    Other, please explain
    FeedFwd
    +2
    Let me first say that I am opposed to abortion and liken it to murder. That said, I believe adults should be allowed to do anything that is peaceful and consenting adults can do it to each other. so while I think prostitution is morally wrong and self-destructive, I don't think it is the role of government to prohibit it and I don't think they could enforce prohibition if they wanted. The best they can do is handle it as a local ordinance regarding when and where or if it will be allowed in a specific jurisdiction and of course prohibit it when it involves minors and people deemed incompetent to make decisions for themselves.

    But as the question is phrased, the real problem is missed. You can abhor abortion and still not recognize the moral rights of the unborn, in which case you would support the pro-choice movement. It is similar with prostitution. You can abhor prostitution, but equally deplore government intervention into private activities between consenting adults.
  • MarinerFH FeedFwd 2012/07/02 18:39:29
    MarinerFH
    +2
    I support the legal rights of the unborn to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Life begins at conception and should have the same Constitutional protections as do you and I.

    Yes, there is a moral argument. On the other hand, there are powerful scientific and Constitutional arguments as well.

    The government does not interfere with the private activities of consenting adults. They can have sex all they want. However, everyone knows the potential consequences of unprotected sex and has free birth control readily available. When they fail to act responsibly, they must be ready to accept the consequences, whatever they may be. Murdering an innocent, yet to be born human being for personal convenience, and to avoid the consequences, is wrong on all levels of measure.
  • FeedFwd MarinerFH 2012/07/03 02:47:32
    FeedFwd
    +1
    You'll get no argument from me. I agree completely.
  • purpleicecreamvan<3 2012/07/01 16:00:07
    Other, please explain
    purpleicecreamvan<3
    i am pro-choice. prostitution, however, is something different. many women are driven to it through drug addiction and lack of any other kind of financial support. i don't think it's a woman's choice, usually. for women that do chose it, i don't see why that should not be allowed, as long as there is proper regulation and legal enforcement of her rights. but it should be 100% her life choice and not something she is driven to through desperation.
  • MarinerFH purplei... 2012/07/01 17:39:49
    MarinerFH
    More women are forced or coerced into abortion than into prostitution.

    Over 60% of abortions involve coercion and threats. Abortion is often the un-choice. So your good arguments would be just as valid against abortion.

    http://www.theunchoice.com/in...

    http://www.renewamerica.com/c...

    http://afterabortion.org/
  • purplei... MarinerFH 2012/07/01 17:42:59
    purpleicecreamvan<3
    then abortion clinics should make sure that it is the woman's choice alone, and maybe there should be some kind of campaign about the right to choose motherhood.
    but it definitely does not mean that the option to have an abortion should not be available to any woman who wishes to use it.
  • MarinerFH purplei... 2012/07/01 18:08:32
    MarinerFH
    Wrong, but clearly will never agree.
  • purplei... MarinerFH 2012/07/01 18:10:16
    purpleicecreamvan<3
    so you think women should be forced into having a baby that they don't want?
  • MarinerFH purplei... 2012/07/01 18:17:43
    MarinerFH
    Women should be responsible and not put themselves into that position in the first place. However, if they do, then carry the bay to term and have it adopted by a caring, loving family. There are thousands of agencies and volunteer groups who will assist her. My ex-wife #1 and I took in a pregnant teenager until she could have the baby. a volunteer organization paid all of her medical expenses, helped her get a GED and assisted her in starting a new life. The baby was adopted out to a loving family.

    There is no excuse for killing the baby in the womb.
  • purplei... MarinerFH 2012/07/01 18:20:29
    purpleicecreamvan<3
    that poor teenager may not have had the sex education and support and availability to make the right choices regarding contraception, and even then, contraception is fallible.
    not everyone is lucky enough to end up in a situation like the girl you took in, and regardless, carrying a baby to term is a huge physical sacrifice and a big emotional struggle for a young girl. everyone makes mistakes, but that doesn't mean they should have to pay such a collosal price for the sake of a ball of unspecialized cells. there are enough babies in the world as it is, i assure you.
  • MarinerFH purplei... 2012/07/01 18:39:15
    MarinerFH
    Still no reason to kill another human being because of personal convenience. How many teenagers do you know today who are ignorant about condoms and birth control and the consequences of unprotected sex?

    You have also bought the pro-abortion lies of indoctrination. The scientific fact is that the instant the sperm fertilizes the egg, forming a new unique DNA, a human life exists.

    BTW! We are all just a ball of cells at every stage of our lives.

    The supply of babies in the world is no reason to kill even one yet to be born human being. Moreover, why are the waiting lists so long to adopt babies if there are enough already?
  • purplei... MarinerFH 2012/07/01 18:43:44
    purpleicecreamvan<3
    yes, i know we're always a ball of cells, but a ball of cells with thoughts, feelings, friends and loved ones. that's different.
    i know it's technically a human life, but so is the mother's. it could potentially traumatise a young girl to have a baby, especially if it's the result of rape. is it really worth putting a human being through that, just so that a new human being can pop out at the end, with an uncertain future? women have a mothering instinct and for many they may find it impossible to give up their child (i know i would), so regardless of whether or not the pregnancy was planned they may find they simply can't part with it. this child grows up disadvantaged in life, as does the mother. isn't it better to give her the opportunity to wait until she's ready, and then have a planned pregnancy and a family that she's fully able to take care of?
  • MarinerFH purplei... 2012/07/01 18:50:38
    MarinerFH
    I's not different. None of your arguments justifies murdering an innocent, yet to be born human life. Virtually all abortions are for convenience and selfishness.
  • purplei... MarinerFH 2012/07/01 18:52:36
    purpleicecreamvan<3
    well, being a man, i guess you'll never have to make that choice, but please let us women make our own choices, whatever your views.
  • MarinerFH purplei... 2012/07/01 18:57:59
    MarinerFH
    That is the argument used when slaveholders said that only slaveholders had a right to comment about slavery. Murdering innocent babies in the womb is an issue for all of humanity.

    You are 17 and single. Just don't get pregnant and you will never have to choose.
  • purplei... MarinerFH 2012/07/01 19:02:46
    purpleicecreamvan<3
    i'm not single, i have a boyfriend. we have sex. i use contraception. if that contraception failed, i would have an abortion. because i have a life to lead, and i would love to have children but at 17 i'm just not ready for that. i want to go to medical school and start my career before i decide to have children.
    are you really comparing me to a slaveholder?
    and of course babies in the womb are innocent, but so am i, i've done nothing wrong, so why should i pay for the failings of contraception? bring me infallible contraception and then we'll talk.
  • MarinerFH purplei... 2012/07/02 01:09:41
    MarinerFH
    So you would kill a life for your personal convenience. What a girl!

    Having a boyfriend is still single unless you are married. 17 and playing grownup doesn't count.
  • purplei... MarinerFH 2012/07/02 21:17:41
    purpleicecreamvan<3
    well in the context of sex, being married or not makes no difference. unless this discussion has stopped being about abortion and has become a personal attack on me.
    yes, i would abort a child for my personal convenience. would you give up your life at the age of 17 to bear and raise a child? you might say you would but i strongly doubt that.
  • MarinerFH purplei... 2012/07/02 22:26:27
    MarinerFH
    This discussion was never about abortion. It is about hypocrisy on the part of the Pro-Choice people, who are really Anti-Women.

    Give up your life? How over Melodramatic can you possibly be.

    1st, if you're only 17, keep your legs together until you grow up.

    If you can't do that, use proper protection as you play at being grownup.

    Failing that, take responsibility for the consequences, as grownups should do.

    Having a bay and giving to a good adoptive family may be the most enriching thing to date in your life. Selfishly killing that baby may be the most self debasing thing you could ever do.

    Enough of you. This question is not about abortion.

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