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Should You Need More Than a High School Education to Be a Nuclear Plant Operator? Or Airline Pilot?

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Laugh all you want at Homer Simpson, but the long-running Fox cartoon man of the house is not an anomaly at nuclear power facilities. According to The Wall Street Journal, there are plenty of gigs you can get without a college degree, and believe it or not, Nuclear Power Plant Operator is one of them.

Yeah. Because of the technical nature of this job, in order to get in on this growing sector (expected to see a job increase of 17 percent by 2018), having a college degree does have its advantages, but high school graduates can apply. Most of the training is on-the-job and in classrooms provided by the plant. All you have to do is pass random drug and alcohol screens, a medical exam, maintain a license and take regular refresher courses.

Believe it or not, you also don't necessarily have to have a bachelor's degree to be a construction manager in order to handle overseeing a project and scheduling, coordinating and hiring contractors.

But the one that will really blow your mind is the fact that just about anyone with enough flight time and aircraft knowledge can be an airline pilot. While commercial airlines require some college education and tend to favor former Air Force and Navy pilots because of their experience, lots of smaller companies will take flyboys without a higher degree.
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  • KingdomNow 2011/08/16 12:39:51
    No
    KingdomNow
    +17
    My best friend got his pilot's license at 16 -and he is an airline pilot now.

    I've been in the air traffic control field since 1980 and college isn't required -In fact, the most stupid people I've had to deal with were those with college degrees, mostly in management.

    College is no guarantee of knowledge, ability or common sense.

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  • Bob, the reasonable one 2011/08/18 16:48:42
  • jimrthy... Bob, th... 2011/08/19 20:00:28
    jimrthy BN-0
    +1
    Well, it means that a person is capable of jumping through hoops, fulfill stupid requirements, and at least learn topics well enough to pass a few tests.

    Which is an indication that they might be competent enough to get by in corporate America.
  • wombat 2011/08/17 15:28:06
    No
    wombat
    It actually doesn't matter. As airplane pilot you need to have the skills AND the absolute focus on your job. As nuke operator you deal with fuel no one could handle with any education available.
  • SEAL76 2011/08/17 14:29:49
    No
    SEAL76
    +1
    Not if you were US Navy enlisted and worked the nuclear program on a ship or Submarine. The US Navy has never had a Nuclear accident in the entire history of Nuclear powered vessels.
  • Wahvlvke 2011/08/17 13:17:39
    Yes
    Wahvlvke
    +1
    When you consider what the significance of a high school education is these days ... hell yes.
  • Deb 2011/08/17 13:09:40
    No
    Deb
    If said employee has the experience, and knowledge....and training..which they get on the job...then No...
  • starguide 2011/08/17 12:25:54
    Yes
    starguide
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    i checked NO .......... someone fix this.... good thing it insnt a election ballot
  • David (oYo) 2011/08/17 10:34:17
    No
    David (oYo)
    No you don't need a degree to drive a car or a bus. Flying airline planes is no more than a glorified bus driver.
  • KingdomNow David (... 2011/08/17 12:05:22
    KingdomNow
    In your average day a municipal bus driver is responsible for the safety of more people under denser traffic conditions than your average airlines pilot.

    One of my friends wanted to enter the nuclear physics field but by the time he left college there were hundreds of Russian nuclear scientists with decades of experience willing to work for food. He's a carpenter now.
  • David (... KingdomNow 2011/08/18 19:18:13
    David (oYo)
    I wasn't demeaning bus drivers. It's a very stressful job particularly in cities like London. I doubt whether an airline pilot would suffer anything like such severe stress.
  • KingdomNow David (... 2011/08/18 22:18:10
    KingdomNow
    Some pilots do suffer from stress -As with any other competitive job, those who either take their jobs too seriously and those who aren't very good tend to stress more.

    I once gave a clearance to a pilot on a marginal IFR day (I've been in the air traffic industry since 1980) and suggested he remain on the ground until a storm passed. The pilot informed me that he had to fly his employer and other passengers to another airport about half an hour away by a certain time or lose his job. The next call I got was from the control tower reporting a fire at the end of the runway -The jet had crashed, killing all aboard.

    Stress is having to risk your life at the whim of others to keep your $75K a year job. The pilot died along with his passengers because they wanted to save an hour of travel time so badly that they ignored the strong recommendations of an air traffic controller.
    Note: Any pilot could choose to fly at their own discretion, depending on the airspace.
  • David (... KingdomNow 2011/08/19 07:54:47
    David (oYo)
    +1
    A salutary lesson to us all. Save an hour and end up in the graveyard.
  • Jamacc 2011/08/17 10:17:09
    Undecided
    Jamacc
    Airline pilot you can train someone with the right aptitude, a Nuclear Plant operator may need to know a little bit about chemistry , physics and other advanced sciences to truly understand how the process in the plant really is.
  • Nudenz 2011/08/17 10:16:11
    No
    Nudenz
    A degree doesn't necessarily mean you are more competent.
  • Chaya2010 2011/08/17 10:04:08
    No
    Chaya2010
    +1
    Just the aptitude and pass the tests. As long as the standard is high, there's constant refresher courses monitoring and proper check and balances why not. I'm an Estate Agent/property developer and I don't need a degree for what I do.

    I think there needs to generally be more vocational training not everybody is capable or suitable for degrees.
  • iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~ 2011/08/17 09:30:06
    No
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    You should be required to show a sufficient amount of knowledge or experience in the field to get a job in it, however.

    A college degree, in fact, doesn't really give me any clear idea that someone is qualified to be a pilot or plant operator - I don't remember classes in either when I went to college.
  • Wolf 2011/08/17 08:33:37
    No
    Wolf
    +1
    Intelligence has nothing to do with a College Education ...the skills to operate a nuclear power plant or pilot a plane do not require a College Education instead vocational training is more than sufficient and probably better...
  • \V/ Wolf 2011/08/17 09:49:23
    \V/
    +2
    Maybe some experience as a plumber might come in handy.

    I bet my Mexican plumber would love to work there! I bet he even knows a few words in English! He works cheap too!
  • \V/ 2011/08/17 08:22:15
    No
    \V/
    +2
    Ask Homer


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  • Chukroast 2011/08/17 07:55:04
    Yes
    Chukroast
    +1
    You can do it with a high school education, but then you'll need a couple of years of technical training. That goes for both. I went through Marine flight school with only a high school diploma and got through in almost record time. But, of course, I had a lot of technical training once I was in flight school. Funny thing, the airlines were choosier and didn't accept my applications because of my lack of college training. Since that time I've earned an BA in Chemistry, an MA in Experimental Psychology and a Ph.D. in Educational/Sociological Research. Now I'm too old to fly. Darn.
  • Wizard 2011/08/17 07:19:57 (edited)
    Yes
    Wizard
    +2
    It's called a Certification.

    You often have to go to school for YEARS in order to get one.
    Nursing often requires a year or two.
    I currently hold a CMT (massage) from California.

    I also have a Class IV Water Purification Certification, the highest you could get in the country during the 1990's. (I retired out.) First, you need 5 years working as an assistant in a major water plant, before you can even test and certify.

    It does not matter if you have a college degree, although it helps with the chemistry and electric engineering knowledge. Normally, it takes almost 12 years to get certified. So...you do not need but a high school diploma...but you also get something that is beyond a normal college education when done.

    The same goes for professional airlines pilots. It usually involves a career in the airforce 1st, which can take a decade. You cannot just waltz in and pass a test...it requires certifying time in certain kinds of aircraft first.
  • EXTREMELYLOUDSOUND 2011/08/17 07:02:57 (edited)
    No
    EXTREMELYLOUDSOUND
    +1
    No need for regurgitation of useless information, which is seemingly popular in today's education. Pilots and plant operators are probably best taught by specialists in those areas. Most jobs are easily learned at various paces by hands-on training.
  • William 2011/08/17 07:02:26
    No
    William
    +1
    So-called "higher education" is over rated. Small business owners look at results not a piece of paper. Since 60 percent (in the 90s it was 85 percent) of employees are employed in small business, most people do not need college education for technical jobs.

    On the other hand, those going into corporate American jobs or government sector do need college degrees. Interesting about the power plant operator.
  • missfit 2011/08/17 07:00:23
    No
    missfit
    +1
    I think as long as you have the specialized training needed to do those particular jobs, that is fine. In college a lot of the courses may not have anything to do with what your job actually requires.
  • Bear 2011/08/17 06:40:07
    No
    Bear
    the specialized training you recieve for either job prepares you far better than any college degree program can. Too many people are educated far beyond their intelligence anyhow.
  • USAF Vet 2011/08/17 06:28:18
    No
    USAF Vet
    +1
    These two distinguished gentlemen do not have degrees:

    Colonel Charles E. McGee, USAF, Retired

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    Maj General Charles Yeager, USAF, Retired

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  • \V/ USAF Vet 2011/08/17 08:29:09
    \V/
    What is that supposed to mean? You dont have to have a degree to drop a nuclear bomb?

    I prefer military that saves lives instead of using something so horrible that your skin just burns right off. Its like being burned at the stake but dying takes weeks or months.

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  • USAF Vet \V/ 2011/08/17 08:47:14
    USAF Vet
    +1
    Stay on point, what the hell are you talking about?
  • \V/ USAF Vet 2011/08/17 09:38:20
    \V/
    +1
    Sorry, what brand of Bar-B-Que sauce is your favorite?

    How do you like your steak?
  • Will McDowell 2011/08/17 06:28:10
    Yes
    Will McDowell
    +1
    you would think they would get extra schooling to be around nuclear equipment, or jet engines....
  • \V/ Will Mc... 2011/08/17 09:42:51
    \V/
    +1
    How about a home study course for $19.95?

    For an extra $5 you get a tiny plastic cooling tower. Act now and they will include some free skull and crossbones signs to stay away from your nuclear waste pits


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  • Tom 2011/08/17 05:59:52
    Yes
    Tom
    +1
    I hope so
  • JanHopkins 2011/08/17 05:26:50
    Undecided
    JanHopkins
    +1
    My old Momma took flying lessons without the benefit of a college degree. I believe my Uncle was a navigator for US Bombers in WWII without a college degree. AHe must have done ok because he managed to make it back home. My grandfather was an inventor and owned his own business and I don't know if he even graduated from highschool.I used to know some nuclear phycisists who spent everynight on call getting tanked at the local bar. My house was the closest one to the local nuclear plant. The fact that they had degrees didn't make me sleep any easier.
  • \V/ JanHopkins 2011/08/17 09:45:21
  • Stone.Cold.Krazy 2011/08/17 05:12:30
    Yes
    Stone.Cold.Krazy
    duh!
  • getu 2011/08/17 04:02:45
    No
    getu
    +1
    My husband and I have been in various nuclear power plants around the country with our business and the operators and technicians we've met have been skilled and informed about their jobs. They are well trained, and this has to be on-the-job training. They have to be able to react immediately to the given situation. This does not require a degree. It requires hours of hands-on and job specific training.

    Same thing with a pilot. Their balance, equilibrium, depth perception, peripheral vision and coordination are vital. Ability to multitask and attention to detail, combined with hands on training all add to the pilot's education. That, combined with skill, is what makes a pilot a pilot, not a course in History of Eastern Europe or whatever general studies are required for a degree. From what I've heard, by the time someone has qualified as an airline pilot, he or she has spent more time in the seat, with hands on the yoke, than most four-year students have in a classroom.
  • American Nate 2011/08/17 03:38:03
    Yes
    American Nate
    I'm doing that right now at a State College trying to get at least a 2 year but maybe a 4 year. And it doesnt really even matter if the 4 year is flying related as long as that its a 4 year. I mean getting a job anywhere is so bad right now that you have to go to college just to work at McDonalds.

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  • \V/ America... 2011/08/17 09:51:27
  • DreamSpeaker 2011/08/17 03:33:38
    No
    DreamSpeaker
    +2
    Sigh, another of those questions where not enough choices were available. I can see someone with enough flight experience being a pilot without a college education, but working in a Nuclear Plant? Now that is scary. But, it sure explains what happened in Japan.
  • Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA 2011/08/17 03:06:47
    Undecided
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    There are a few courses that would help, especially in management. Communications, English and Math. You don't want someone that cannot properly interact with co-workers and customers or write letters and make calls on behalf of the company. If they can't spell, have bad grammar or bad with math they could cost the company a fortune.
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