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Should we raise taxes on the JOB CREATORS??!!

BlueRepublican 2012/05/24 22:06:35
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Wealthy investors, businesses and corporations are a fundamental part of our economy. They create jobs and opportunity for all.

There has been an ongoing argument about how to approach stimulating our slow economic growth and addressing our growing debt problem.

The LEFT has proposed raising taxes on the 'job creators' in order to solve fiscal deficits and fund social programs.

The RIGHT has opposed raising taxes on the 'job creators' because it will hurt the economy and increase unemployment. They point to cutting spending as the solution to the fiscal dilemma.

Personally, I work for a company owned by a wealthy person who has many employees. If his taxes are increased then I imagine he will find a way to offset those expenses by laying off workers, cutting benefits, lowering wages or increasing customer prices. If his taxes are even lower than he could invest more, open other stores, hire more employees and make more money.
Or he might just enjoy the tax break and continue the norm.

What do you think? Will this hurt or help the economy? Should govt get involved in the private sector or just get out of the way?


Should we raise taxes on the JOB CREATORS??!!
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  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2012/05/24 23:21:57 (edited)
    YES, Tax the JOB CREATORS!!!
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +12
    Now lets look at some history of Taxes vs the Misery Index.

    Reagan was able to lower the US Misery Index steadily to his record term low of 8.91 with a Top Marginal Tax Rate of 50% (That's 10.5% HIGHER than what Obama wants, btw.)

    Then, in 1987, he lowered the TMTR to 38.5% and the Misery index went UP to 9.84.

    In 1988 he lowered the TMTR to 28% and the Misery Index went UP again to 10.9 and then 11.1 by 1990

    GHW Bush raised the TMTR to 31% and the Misery Index began decreasing again, slightly.. from 11.1 to 10.52.

    Then Clinton comes along and raises the TMTR to 39.6% and the Misery Index drops from 10.56 to 7.29

    What does that tell you, Copernicus?

    The answer is simple. Consumer spending grows the economy. Higher taxes force spending at both the individual and corporate level as taxpayers seek write-offs. If you've ever filed anything other than a 1040EZ you'd know that. For Corporations, their best write-offs include increasing production, adding locations, new product development and HIRING EMPLOYEES. Using the links provided below you can make your own chart. The Misery Index is low when the TMTR is high. It comes out the same every time. If you want the "Job Creators" to crate jobs YOU HAVE TO TAX THEM.. otherwise they just sit on their fat unthreatened profits. This has hel...




    Now lets look at some history of Taxes vs the Misery Index.

    Reagan was able to lower the US Misery Index steadily to his record term low of 8.91 with a Top Marginal Tax Rate of 50% (That's 10.5% HIGHER than what Obama wants, btw.)

    Then, in 1987, he lowered the TMTR to 38.5% and the Misery index went UP to 9.84.

    In 1988 he lowered the TMTR to 28% and the Misery Index went UP again to 10.9 and then 11.1 by 1990

    GHW Bush raised the TMTR to 31% and the Misery Index began decreasing again, slightly.. from 11.1 to 10.52.

    Then Clinton comes along and raises the TMTR to 39.6% and the Misery Index drops from 10.56 to 7.29

    What does that tell you, Copernicus?

    The answer is simple. Consumer spending grows the economy. Higher taxes force spending at both the individual and corporate level as taxpayers seek write-offs. If you've ever filed anything other than a 1040EZ you'd know that. For Corporations, their best write-offs include increasing production, adding locations, new product development and HIRING EMPLOYEES. Using the links provided below you can make your own chart. The Misery Index is low when the TMTR is high. It comes out the same every time. If you want the "Job Creators" to crate jobs YOU HAVE TO TAX THEM.. otherwise they just sit on their fat unthreatened profits. This has held true for over 70 years.

    http://www.taxpolicycenter.or...
    http://www.miseryindex.us/ind...

    PS: The lowest Misery Index EVER was in 1953: Misery Index: 2.97. TMTR: 92%.
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  • Ev Rom Tinka123 2012/05/25 04:37:03
    Ev Rom
    +2
    they are the job creators because we gave them that power, it needs to be taken back, we need more mom n pop shops, more small business, that is when this country did best, before they convinced you that it was ok for the wealthy to hoard every penny and use it to black mail you into no regulations and cheap labor.
  • Tinka123 Ev Rom 2012/05/25 05:04:48 (edited)
    Tinka123
    +2
    We need a lot of things, the question is how many peoples rights are we prepared to infringe upon in our efforts to attain them? You get no argument from me* on the cluster-flock that is our current system. It's Corporatism at best, downright Oligarchy at worst. I get that. But the fact of the matter is, govt. has not exhibited responsibility in managing our money. So why would we ever give them more?
  • Ev Rom Tinka123 2012/05/25 05:39:11
    Ev Rom
    Corporations have "not exhibited responsibility in managing our money" as well. They got their corporate welfare and F'd us all. We need a little of both. I don't trust the wealthy, I'd trust the government a tiny bit more over some billionaire who has proven they will keep jobs from us until they get what they want.
  • Tinka123 Ev Rom 2012/05/25 06:01:36
    Tinka123
    +2
    And who gave them the corporate welfare? That would be govt. Government is itself a corporation, you know.
  • Ev Rom Tinka123 2012/05/25 06:07:52
    Ev Rom
    we did. but you cant ague what they did, F us over.
  • Tinka123 Ev Rom 2012/05/25 06:18:34
    Tinka123
    +1
    What? I don't know about you, but I'm not represented in DC. Are you? The Govt. effed us over. Banks, Corporations (which is govt.) etc. didn't force govt. to bail them out - the lawmakers were complicit.

    Yes, govt. effed us over. And now they want more of our money. Ever heard the saying: "Fool me once, shame on you - Fool me twice, shame on me?"
  • Ev Rom Tinka123 2012/05/25 06:38:22
    Ev Rom
    yeah you should apply it across the board
  • Tinka123 Ev Rom 2012/05/25 13:07:46
    Tinka123
    I am - I told you, govt. is itself a corporation. As are Unions. I'm well aware.
  • Ev Rom Tinka123 2012/05/25 20:08:02
    Ev Rom
    well the government corporation does just a tiny bit better for the people than the others, they have proven how worthless they are. they took our corporate welfare and ran.
  • Tinka123 Ev Rom 2012/05/25 23:08:52
    Tinka123
    I don't disagree with you - the govt. gives away a ton of money to entities that shouldn't be receiving it. That's the problem. These lawmakers are racking up to debt in our names to people we citizens would never bailout on our own - or even if we were given a choice in the matter. But ultimately - our govt. is the one dishing it out. So why should we give them more when they can't even balance a freaking budget?
  • Uranos7 Ev Rom 2012/05/25 05:06:32
    Uranos7
    What would these 'mom and pop' places sell and to who?
    It takes manufacturing jobs to start an economy then service businesses like the ' mom and pop' shops spring up around them to serve the needs of those employees who hire more employees, that create more demand, that create more shops that create more jobs.
    Without big business manufacturing or bringing money in from elsewhere there are no 'mom and pop' shops.
  • Ev Rom Uranos7 2012/05/25 05:41:12
    Ev Rom
    BS. My friends have their own businesses in Tijuana. I see a lot more mom n pop/small business there. big business wiped out small business in the US, you need both.
  • Uranos7 Ev Rom 2012/05/25 07:04:29
    Uranos7
    Yes we do need both like I said big business creates the need for small business, and without big business to bring in capitol to an area there is no demand for a small business.
    Tijuana thrives primarily off tourism from America and people going over to Mexico to buy cheaper goods, and they are cheaper because operating cost are lower. If ours were lower there would be less demad for the cheaper goods of other countries.
  • Ev Rom Uranos7 2012/05/25 20:09:44
    Ev Rom
    No, Tijuana lost a lot of its tourism because of the scare tactics of the media. Tijuana thrives because of small business. Its actually a little more expensive in TJ than it is in San Diego.
  • Uranos7 Ev Rom 2012/05/26 00:12:01
    Uranos7
    Tijuana has the highest concentration in medical device manufacturing ... Tijuana has the largest concentration of aerospace firms in Northern Mexico.
    Not exactly small business there not to mention all the Hotels and the airport are big business.
  • Ev Rom Uranos7 2012/05/26 02:28:40 (edited)
    Ev Rom
    those manufacturing jobs are just as republicans want them, at 50 cents an hour for labor. That's why people open and run their own business. will
  • Uranos7 Ev Rom 2012/05/26 11:07:39 (edited)
    Uranos7
    Which would not exist without the employees of the larger businesses to shop at them.
    BTW minimum wage in Tijuana Mexico is 1.90 dollars an hour not 50 cents and that is for unskilled labor.
  • Ev Rom Uranos7 2012/05/26 23:00:10
    Ev Rom
    Sure they would. Look up how much they make in maquiladoras, its about 60 dollars a week for 50 hours monday through saturday. that is the kind of wage they want to pay in the US.
  • Uranos7 Ev Rom 2012/05/27 04:09:48
    Uranos7
    They also have a 0.95%unemployment rate.
    If they spent a little money on education they might have a higher average wage.
    So you still cannot prove that small business can survive without employees from larger businesses to shop at them.
    Small businesses cannot produce a large enough economic base to support themselves or bring in money from outside areas.
    Small businesses are good for keeping that money produced by the larger businesses in the area, but cannot generate it on their own.
  • Ev Rom Uranos7 2012/05/28 01:15:42
    Ev Rom
    All you have to do is visit TJ.
  • Uranos7 Ev Rom 2012/05/28 01:51:24
    Uranos7
    No you will have to find a different example I have already established there are many large businesses there supporting the smaller ones.
  • Ev Rom Uranos7 2012/05/28 02:13:18
    Ev Rom
    small business out numbers big business in Tj and you cant argue about the way they go about putting small business owners out of business.. lol
  • Uranos7 Ev Rom 2012/05/28 02:26:27
    Uranos7
    Can you name a town where small business does not outnumber large business?
    No because small businesses are support businesses for the larger one.
    For every manufacturing plant who employ thousands there are grocery stores, restaurants, garages, and entertainment facilities which could not exist without the larger business.
    You really need to brush up on your economics 101, and so does Obama.
    Obama economy 101
  • Ev Rom Uranos7 2012/05/29 00:27:39 (edited)
    Ev Rom
    What will large business do once they wipe out small business? The have proven they will leave if they can get no regulations and cheap labor. We become a 3rd world country.
  • Uranos7 Ev Rom 2012/05/30 05:26:32
    Uranos7
    As I have shown large business creates small business and small business cannot survive without them; which is why we need to make America more friendly for them so that they can be more competitive in the global market while doing business in America.
  • Ev Rom Uranos7 2012/05/30 23:06:16
    Ev Rom
    I dont need McDonalds to eat or make a burger
  • Uranos7 Ev Rom 2012/05/31 23:57:04
    Uranos7
    But you need GE to make coffee.
    I doubt you grow, grind, and bake the wheat into bread.
    Raise ,slaughter, and butcher the cow.
    Grow , grind, process and package the mustard.
    Russia learned this when they turned to socialism and the government took over everything. When the rich and big business left people starved and bread lines were formed.
    It took decades for the country to get running again and in the end it failed to keep up with the rest of the world and failed.
  • Ev Rom Uranos7 2012/06/01 00:00:02
    Ev Rom
    but you need mom n pop to be able to sell it a their shop not at walmart.
  • Uranos7 Ev Rom 2012/06/01 00:15:09
    Uranos7
    No one is stopping them some mom and pop stores have grown into international chains since Wal-Mart came about such as Whole-Foods. Even Wal-Mart itself started as a mom and pop store.
  • Lady Wh... Ev Rom 2012/05/25 09:46:18
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    Bingo!
  • Ev Rom Lady Wh... 2012/05/25 20:12:04
    Ev Rom
    I get to see both, housing is cheaper in TJ but almost everything else is just as expensive. Only business is thriving unemployment is at about 5%
  • Wyzard Ev Rom 2012/05/25 11:53:36
    Wyzard
    you must live in a fuked up liberal city to not have jobs.
  • Ev Rom Wyzard 2012/05/25 20:14:00
    Ev Rom
    San Diego is pretty conservative, TJ is more liberal. I do better business in TJ. Even teh American homeless are coming to TJ to beg for pesos.
  • Lady Wh... Ev Rom 2012/05/25 20:04:25
    Lady Whitewolf
    bingo!
  • Uranos7 2012/05/25 02:49:43
    NO, We can't raise taxes on the JOB CREATORS!!
    Uranos7
    +2
    America's tax code has grown too complicated and cumbersome, and it is fundamentally unfair. It is filled with loopholes and giveaways. Congress should eliminate the special interest tax breaks that litter the code and reduce the overall tax rate to no more than 25% for businesses and individuals, including small businesses and individuals. This would make the tax code flatter fairer, and simpler. Common sense changes to the the tax code will ensure that everyone pays their fair share, lessen the burden on families, generate economic expansion, and create jobs by making America more competitive.
    At a combined state and federal rate of just over 39% the US currently has the second HIGHEST corporate tax rate among the developed nations of the world. The US federal rate of 35% is nearly 10 points higher than the average of our competitors. This wasn't always the case. In 1990, the US corporate tax rate was below average of our competitors. As a result of today's high US tax rates and other antiquated features of our tax rules, US based firms are placed at a competitive disadvantage against their foreign counterparts when trying to sell goods and services around the world.
    We need to set the top tax rates at no more than 25% for job creating businesses. this would level ...

    America's tax code has grown too complicated and cumbersome, and it is fundamentally unfair. It is filled with loopholes and giveaways. Congress should eliminate the special interest tax breaks that litter the code and reduce the overall tax rate to no more than 25% for businesses and individuals, including small businesses and individuals. This would make the tax code flatter fairer, and simpler. Common sense changes to the the tax code will ensure that everyone pays their fair share, lessen the burden on families, generate economic expansion, and create jobs by making America more competitive.
    At a combined state and federal rate of just over 39% the US currently has the second HIGHEST corporate tax rate among the developed nations of the world. The US federal rate of 35% is nearly 10 points higher than the average of our competitors. This wasn't always the case. In 1990, the US corporate tax rate was below average of our competitors. As a result of today's high US tax rates and other antiquated features of our tax rules, US based firms are placed at a competitive disadvantage against their foreign counterparts when trying to sell goods and services around the world.
    We need to set the top tax rates at no more than 25% for job creating businesses. this would level the playing field with our competitors and would help to generate investments and create American jobs allowing the US to be more competitive in the global market place and attract businesses.
    Congress should also reform the tax code to allow wordwide American companies to bring back their overseas profits without being subject to doube taxation so they can invest in our economy. Unlike almost all of our major trading partners, the united states taxes it's companies on their foreign income when that income has already been taxed in a foreign country. This discourages our companies from bringing back profits to invest at home in the US.
    In conclusion we already tax our companies and rich more than just about everyone else in the world and it his hurting our global competitiveness. Lowering the tax burden would make our products and services sell better in the global market increasing demand and bringing wealth from other countries to the US, the combination of the two creating more jobs here in the US.
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  • Pele Emerging 2012/05/25 02:44:03
    Undecided
    Pele Emerging
    +1
    We should raise them sky high on the wealthy job exporters, but give a break to those who KEEP jobs in the US. Hewlett Packard is going to lay off 300,000 US employees, but is going to keep all their Chinese slave labor. Tax 'em!!!
  • Peewee Pele Em... 2012/05/25 03:40:58
    Peewee
    +1
    They'll just move all their money offshore if they haven't already. :-(
  • The Birdman 2012/05/25 02:32:27
    NO, We can't raise taxes on the JOB CREATORS!!
    The Birdman
    What a stupid question! Make it less desirable to companies to set up shop in the US or drive them to overseas locations! As long as Americans continue to buy foreign made goods over "MADE IN THE USA" companies will stay there or never leave! If you raise taxes to the point the ratio of profit can't compete against the cost of doing business, the jobless rate will NEVER GO DOWN! For DECADES before government started double dipping into US companies, we were the world leader in manufacturing, and now with the added problems of intrusive government over regulations, why would a business want to come here?? Fking LIBERALS will be the end of the USA!
  • criticalthinker 2012/05/25 02:31:26
    NO, We can't raise taxes on the JOB CREATORS!!
    criticalthinker
    +1
    The job creators are not the rich! They are the consumers that buy goods that make demand for more goods that create jobs. So roll back the Reagan tax cuts and get back to a 80% margin on the rich!
  • gregaj7 2012/05/25 02:23:20
    NO, We can't raise taxes on the JOB CREATORS!!
    gregaj7
    +1
    Job-creators should end their contracts with the muni-corps.

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