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Should we Decrease Military Spending?

C-ZAR™, Emperor of the PHÆT 2012/01/31 02:03:20
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  • findthelight2000 2012/01/31 02:11:21
    Yes, we need to decrease Military Spending.
    findthelight2000
    +7
    We already spend more money on our military then all the rest of the world..., COMBINED!

    It is a wonder why everyone, conservative, Liberal, or Libertarian, aren't all upset about it when our economy is so bad.

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  • rr lyrae 2012/02/04 00:33:46 (edited)
    Yes, we need to decrease Military Spending.
    rr lyrae
    +1
    This is what serious men and women would like to see upon the table for serious gambit-I mean talk that allows such as we right here and now actually may have the wits to create political economies that justify the effort, can and should demand attention for the principle that we can better lead ourselves and meet expediencies than centuries-old structures more hallowed for literary value than for exacting decent benefit for one and all. .
    Let us begin with WWII as what is most clear at the outset is that this world we live in is still still living in the fading shadows of the last truly great coming-together of nations,peoples and their engines and ideas for real purpose by agreed design. The last breath of that was basically military-that nuclear weapons shared by two superpowers demanded MAD politics with the other s standing off in fear and attentive suspense. Europe had lapsed as the center of world civilization as industrial ingenuity and prodigious wartime production became a social way of life for a classic postwar middle class existence afforded by the United States and its incredible popular youth culture. Which came alive in such affluence, based on consumerism and which flooded the globe with its terrifying influence. But what next? AS the magic middle class ethic ...


    This is what serious men and women would like to see upon the table for serious gambit-I mean talk that allows such as we right here and now actually may have the wits to create political economies that justify the effort, can and should demand attention for the principle that we can better lead ourselves and meet expediencies than centuries-old structures more hallowed for literary value than for exacting decent benefit for one and all. .
    Let us begin with WWII as what is most clear at the outset is that this world we live in is still still living in the fading shadows of the last truly great coming-together of nations,peoples and their engines and ideas for real purpose by agreed design. The last breath of that was basically military-that nuclear weapons shared by two superpowers demanded MAD politics with the other s standing off in fear and attentive suspense. Europe had lapsed as the center of world civilization as industrial ingenuity and prodigious wartime production became a social way of life for a classic postwar middle class existence afforded by the United States and its incredible popular youth culture. Which came alive in such affluence, based on consumerism and which flooded the globe with its terrifying influence. But what next? AS the magic middle class ethic of hard work and hard play afforded the greatest payoff to social expectations for the most people ever in history the lessons that caused it-frenetic wartime energy and thrifty Depression era wanderlust couples with the most realistic political leadership that ever made a great nation the new Rome under a Pax Americana. It was the wartime realism that made political preferment for the middle class a utilitarian goal-the most survival of wealth and benefit over its loss- which is a wartime strategy for conserving basic strength-as if life itself depended upon it. The war-weary, conflict-tired Europeans who went home having won WWII-or lost forgot about national concerns and came home to start over as plain people needing to eat, clothe,shelter and heal themselves. Those were the "national" concerns.Call them social idealists-who cares? Social Democracy is the right way to go absent global political agenda!Who cares what people were doing in the 17-18th centuries? It is time to recreate our Union!
    To start it is necessary to listen to IKE and consider the absurd crowning of money as both the price and the leader of our "free" world.Money as in we are the slaves of consumerism designed to make each of us into wealth-producing robots for nabobs and moguls and magnates among us and the incredible populist existence of "would-be" moguls and magnates so convinced that their 15 minutes will come tomorrow at the height of our first postwar economic anti-miracle.That is politics today.
    Military spending? WWII is over. There is nothing "National" to defend! Aircraft carriers, foreign bases, standing armies,Raptor aircraft by the hundreds, Those are all survival elementsd for winning a global war!! THat war ended a long time ago but the gigantic FEAR it presen ted and ran down defeated our sense of human civilization-our great monumental social enterprises-animal and plant domestication, localizing and making ensured the food sources, accumulating wealth in all forms, ensuring clean environments,cheap and plentiful energy making travel possible for all, incredible health advances-antibiotics, hospitals, controlling the weather, making effective shelter,extending a few languages and using computers to make the world inter-communicative?etcetc can we deny that humans are essentially social animals?? So why is "socialism" a black term? Why? Communism is over as a 20th-century secular religion but the wwii fear is not.
    I say swords to plowshares! I say no standing armies. why not? We won WWII and in 1940 our wargames used wooden rifles! Yes and use the trillions in savings to restart our middle class in its fearless and great pursuit of personal self autonomy and social engines for wealth-realization. What other real goal can there be?
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  • Kiara 2012/02/01 13:17:21 (edited)
    Yes, we need to decrease Military Spending.
    Kiara
    This at least be one step closer to balancing the budget. Our Government loves to spend money for the defense of our Country but I believe we have more problems within our Country.
  • wildcat 2012/02/01 00:48:26
    Yes, we need to decrease Military Spending.
    wildcat
    Thanks to Congressional actions or inactions we must cut military spending.
  • dan198309 2012/01/31 21:31:42
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    dan198309
    +2
    Cut funding somewhere else like say welfare
  • Katherine 2012/01/31 20:20:28 (edited)
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    Katherine
    +1
    You can cut anything that will subjugate American citizens, any departments added in the last decade, anything that doesn't put us in line with our enemies, close 90% of overseas bases and bring back troops from those locations.

    You can forget about total disarmament.

    45 Communist Goals for Takeover of America
    1) U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
    2) U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
    3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
  • rr lyrae Katherine 2012/02/04 00:52:46 (edited)
    rr lyrae
    +2
    straight out of the 50's. Talking about a "communist takeover"?
    That is so stupid that it is only possible to say something like this IN america.
    Total disarmament? NO. Just return to 1940 level of xenophobia and a police-level military until actual events- a "clear and present" danger exists.
    Otherwise this is colossal fear-mongering so useless that is it no wonder they are still producing city-sized aircaft carriers costing enough to produce and maintain as cities or some states.Insanity!Perpetual warfooting produces wars-we have seen it. No more fear! WE won WWII! Lets get on with living..And drop the John Birch talk...please?.
  • Katherine rr lyrae 2012/02/04 01:36:46
    Katherine
    Most are familiar with Ten Planks of Communism and have read 45 Communist Goals for Takeover of America, more than half of which we already have. Another communist tactic straight out of Rules for Radicals: ridicule and projection. I must be correct, then...

    Thanks for reading.~
  • Steve 2012/01/31 19:58:28
    Yes, we need to decrease Military Spending.
    Steve
    +2
    There is no rational reason for this level of spending on the military:

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  • rr lyrae Steve 2012/02/07 22:16:38
    rr lyrae
    +1
    Its so out of control that most don't even know what a colossal waste of wealth it is! Now that there is no danger of a communist military threat the ey use the "political threat" as a substitute. What "threat" is that-other than pure McCarthyism redux? WE have to go through that again? Why can not the peopple who earned this wealth- the middle class-use it to make life secure?-Why have all this miitary just to allay fear? Pure negativity....look and read here...laid out like a yellow-brick road to ruin."Fear itself" is what we have to fear only.
    We once had leadership equal to that .
  • Roblem BN-0 2012/01/31 19:26:57
    Yes, we need to decrease Military Spending.
    Roblem BN-0
    +2
    His words already "have been" not "will".

    The MIC (the people involved) in perpetuating never ending wars for greed are true evil doers. With the help of other big industries (oil for one) they have done a great job of using the media to brain wash people into everlasting hatred.
  • jc 2012/01/31 19:04:32
    No, we need to Increase Military Spending even MORE!
    jc
    +1
    The best way to avoid war is to prepare for war prepared for war
  • Kiara jc 2012/02/01 13:19:54
    Kiara
    Sounds like paranoia to me!
  • Ramon 2012/01/31 18:41:28
    Yes, we need to decrease Military Spending.
    Ramon
    +3
    Our military spending is way out of control and has been for years. If you put that much money towards something you're more likely to use it. We have been in many wars since Eisenhower and I think he was prophetic in that speech...and his words still apply today. I think the Republican party has become detached from that reality.
  • MadAsHEck Ramon 2012/02/01 04:43:13
    MadAsHEck
    You need to actually look at who Eisenhower was, and his handeling of WWII in Europe. Under his leadership, the Allies were tied down and not moving forward. Had he not brought Patton, Mc Aullif and some other real leaders in, Hitler could have very well defeated us.

    Eisenhower was a Diplomat, not a good Military Leader.

    He gets a lot of Credit, that really was earned by others.

    Kind of like the Rooster Crowing getting the Credit for the sunrise.
  • Ramon MadAsHEck 2012/02/01 06:12:02
    Ramon
    Well, maybe...but maybe we need to take advise from a diplomat right now because spreading our military worldwide doesn't seem to be helping to make this world any safer.
  • MadAsHEck Ramon 2012/02/01 18:03:18 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    He kissed the Russians butt, and in doing so allowed them to take over half of Germany, and face us off for Decades. We do not need that kind of Diplomacy. It is the diplomacy that got us into WWII in the first place. We ignored Hitler, and Tojo. Why would they bother us, we didn't do anything to stop them. Right?

    Now the Obama Administration is planning to release the Taliban prisoners from Gitmo in trade for a Cease Fire in Afghanistan. People that hate the USA, and have commited Crimes against us, to get peace with a regime that already stabbed us in the back.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stori...

    Didn't we just go through that in Iraq a few years ago with Saddam Hussein?

    Diplomacy without a backbone is a losiing proposition. Esppecially when you are against an enemy that hates you for your way of life, and feels it to be their religious duty to kill you. Don't want anything you have, just kill you and dying in the attempt is a great honor.

    And when they hit us next time it won't be a 9/11 contained attack. But a total crippling of the country with one Unstoppable Nuke to 100,000 feet from either Venezuela, or a Sub off the East coast. It takes a Shibab missile about 2 minutes to reach 100,000 ft and be detonated. Too quick to be responded against.
  • Ramon MadAsHEck 2012/02/02 09:44:34
    Ramon
    I don't agree with releasing terrorists that have shown contempt for us and a willingness to kill us. I also think we should defend ourselves and our interests in the world. The only point I'm making is that I think we go a little overboard in sending our troops to different countries as a show of force. It breeds contempt for us. What would you think if Russia or China sent troops to Mexico to help them fight their drug war?
  • MadAsHEck Ramon 2012/02/02 19:14:13
    MadAsHEck
    +1
    You are aware that Hezbollah does have Members in Mexico assisting and using the Cartels highways to infiltrate the USA are you not.

    And that China is testing us constantly in the Far East. If we leave Taiwan, Japan, and the Philipines, China would over run them within days.

    The Essex had to limp back to port and again not fulfill a mission.

    The scrapped mission is the latest in a series of problems for Navy ships. More than one-fifth of Navy ships fell short of combat readiness in the past two years, and fewer than half of the service’s deployed combat aircraft are ready for their missions at any given time, according to congressional testimony.

    With an ascendant China on the high seas and deep Defense Department budget cuts over the next decade, the Navy is facing “glaring deficiencies that are nothing short of alarming,” U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Va., chairman of the House Readiness Subcommittee said in July.

    When Congress sees a problem, should the Administration not see it as well?

    http://www.military.com/news/...

    As an old soldier said, and it has been proven many times. "If we are not prepared to fight the Enemy on their shores, we sure as hell will be fighting them on ours"

    And bear in mind tht Eagles really love doves. (An old Indian Saying) They are such easy tar...
    You are aware that Hezbollah does have Members in Mexico assisting and using the Cartels highways to infiltrate the USA are you not.

    And that China is testing us constantly in the Far East. If we leave Taiwan, Japan, and the Philipines, China would over run them within days.

    The Essex had to limp back to port and again not fulfill a mission.

    The scrapped mission is the latest in a series of problems for Navy ships. More than one-fifth of Navy ships fell short of combat readiness in the past two years, and fewer than half of the service’s deployed combat aircraft are ready for their missions at any given time, according to congressional testimony.

    With an ascendant China on the high seas and deep Defense Department budget cuts over the next decade, the Navy is facing “glaring deficiencies that are nothing short of alarming,” U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Va., chairman of the House Readiness Subcommittee said in July.

    When Congress sees a problem, should the Administration not see it as well?

    http://www.military.com/news/...

    As an old soldier said, and it has been proven many times. "If we are not prepared to fight the Enemy on their shores, we sure as hell will be fighting them on ours"

    And bear in mind tht Eagles really love doves. (An old Indian Saying) They are such easy targets. I prefer to be the Eagle myself.
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  • Ramon MadAsHEck 2012/02/03 05:44:28
    Ramon
    +1
    Well, we will never be done fighting if we take that attitude. There will always be another war, and I don't agree with the world (Europe especially) using our soliers and their protection while maintaining a token force themselves. Our soldiers shouldn't be protecting the world, just ourselves.
  • MadAsHEck Ramon 2012/02/03 05:54:54 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    So you would be the Dove, and wait for the eagle to attack and kill you?

    Yours is the small minded thinking that got us in trouble in the past. We do not seek war, but must respond when it is thrust on us. And like a boxer, keep your enemies at arms length. You only get hurt when they get close and hit you with a body or head shot.

    We came home after WWI and became non interventionalist. Allowed Hitler to take over Europe, Japan to take over the Far East, and chase us home with our tails between our legs. And that is what you advocate doing again. Now in a world where our entire country can be shut down in about 2 minutes from a sureptuous attack by one Tactical Nicleur weapon.

    Lignet says that Iran in planning an attack on American Soil in the near future. the failed attempt on the Saudies last year was a practice run. Next time it is going to be real nasty.

    And please explain why Iran is doing the following?

    1. Built bases in Venezuela armed with missiles that can reach the middle of the USA.

    2. Begun deploying Missile Capable Subs to patrol off the East coast of the USA

    3. Buying a Tactical Missile system from Russia concealed in a Cargo Container that is undetectable until it activates.

    4. been practicing launching the Shibam missile from Land and Sea and deton...

    So you would be the Dove, and wait for the eagle to attack and kill you?

    Yours is the small minded thinking that got us in trouble in the past. We do not seek war, but must respond when it is thrust on us. And like a boxer, keep your enemies at arms length. You only get hurt when they get close and hit you with a body or head shot.

    We came home after WWI and became non interventionalist. Allowed Hitler to take over Europe, Japan to take over the Far East, and chase us home with our tails between our legs. And that is what you advocate doing again. Now in a world where our entire country can be shut down in about 2 minutes from a sureptuous attack by one Tactical Nicleur weapon.

    Lignet says that Iran in planning an attack on American Soil in the near future. the failed attempt on the Saudies last year was a practice run. Next time it is going to be real nasty.

    And please explain why Iran is doing the following?

    1. Built bases in Venezuela armed with missiles that can reach the middle of the USA.

    2. Begun deploying Missile Capable Subs to patrol off the East coast of the USA

    3. Buying a Tactical Missile system from Russia concealed in a Cargo Container that is undetectable until it activates.

    4. been practicing launching the Shibam missile from Land and Sea and detonating it at 100,000 ft.

    Because they love us? Bear in mind that the muslim religion has a goal of world conquest. Until they either convert, enslave or kill all those that do not believe as they do,( thats us), there will be no peace in the world. And their saviour will return once they achieve that goal.
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  • Ramon MadAsHEck 2012/02/03 07:16:26
    Ramon
    Well, I don't know about that stuff...but if they are doing those things then I think you have a point. I have always said that we need to protect ourselves and our interests but I still think that Europe and other nations need to take up their own defense or pay us to defend them. We shouldn't have to go broke trying to defend everyone else. Our military doesn't have the capability to stretch that much. We will end up not defending ourselves enough if we concentrate on deploying our forces across the world. If we do get attacked where are our forces?? Halfway around the world.
  • MadAsHEck Ramon 2012/02/03 17:01:02
    MadAsHEck
    Read these two articles fresh off the presses. Iran is getting closer to a Nuke weapon, and when they get it, they will use it. Two different sources.

    Especially note that Khemeni admits to strengething any and all that attack Israel. Hezbollah, Hamas and Levanon are ready to do so.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-2...

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ir...
  • Ramon MadAsHEck 2012/02/04 08:44:52 (edited)
    Ramon
    We have sanctions against the and have aligned ourselves with Israel so that's why they are threatening us. If they become a threat to us and attack us then we do need to take action. Maybe we could take our troops out of Europe and put them to better use. We shouldn't agitate them and engage in their war of words though. Like Israel, if they see an opportunity they attack, they don't talk about it.
  • rr lyrae MadAsHEck 2012/02/04 01:23:51 (edited)
    rr lyrae
    +1
    Iran an intercontinental danger?
    I need'nt embarrass you by actually considering that one.
    If I were Iran and looking at the USA militarily I would bend down and kiss my ass goodbye and test another batch of "shibams"...
    but do carry on with your worries....it becomes you.
  • rr lyrae Ramon 2012/02/04 01:19:57 (edited)
    rr lyrae
    +2
    agreed. and there is danger all these monkeys won't HAVE a war to call their own if they can't fear-monger our way into one. And believe me, those of us who remember wwII, Korea and "IN Country" know what defeat is-can be. What war is really like and about and it is not about looking at a map and speculating about how dangerous the world is when you act like you want to kill them all BEFORE YOU HAVE EVEN SAID "HELLO". OF course Bismark and Talleyrand and Metternich and Kissinger were wartime diplomats-why don;t you glorify those guys if you think the worlds numbah one miitary power is in even one percent danger of havinganybody dare to to even risk one platoon of "theirs" against the USA. Only madmen or idiots do that lately. WE are in no danger of "moral capitulation" when we have nuclear subs, b-1 Stealth bombers, tomahawks,etcetc...so why all the stupid glorification of war on these pages? Ever have a buddy die next to you? Makes you love peace.
  • Ramon rr lyrae 2012/02/04 08:50:38
    Ramon
    It is easy for an armchair warrior to say to attack and put everyone else in their place, but I agree that you don't want to go to war if you don't have to. People and countries (who are run by people) respond better to you if you don't threaten them all the time.
  • MadAsHEck Ramon 2012/02/04 18:27:44
    MadAsHEck
    So you figure that you can negotiate with a people that want nothing you own, but just want you dead? And here is the head of those religious fanatics speech a few days ago.

    “In light of the realization of the divine promise by almighty God, the Zionists and the Great Satan (America) will soon be defeated,” Ayatollah Khamenei, the Iranian supreme leader, is warning.

    Khamenei, speaking to hundreds of youths from more than 70 countries attending a world conference on the Arab Spring just days ago, told a cheering crowd in Tehran that “Allah’s promises will be delivered and Islam will be victorious.”

    So who is threatening now. Do you in any real thought believe that he is going to just leave us alone if we come home and never bother them again?

    By the way if you really are that gullible, I did a drawing, and you won a million dollars. Please send me your bank account number so I can get the money into it.
  • Ramon MadAsHEck 2012/02/06 20:48:09
    Ramon
    +1
    One thing I know is that these guys talk a lot...Saddam Hussein also said a lot of stuff that wasn't true to look tougher to his enemies. When we went in he made the US and George Bush look like idiots because there were not "weapons of mass destruction" which he made us believe were there, even after we threatened him with attack. Even North Korea and Venezuela talks a lot to get attention but doesn't ever follow through with what they are saying. We need to act on real threats, not macho talk by dictators.
  • MadAsHEck Ramon 2012/02/06 23:54:28 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    Saddam Hussein never had ICBM's within striking distance of the USA. Nor Missile Capable Submarines patrolling off the Coast of the USA. As both China and Iran now are doing.

    He did have WMD's however. Tons of Yellowcake, which is used to make Nuke weapons, plus we are still finding caches of Biological and Chenmical weapons all over the country. Wikileaks actually found proof when they leaked all those documents last year.

    And by the way saddam used WMD's against our troops in the first Gulf War. I have friends that were involved in the Disarming and destruction of those weapons. It was kept quiet in fear that Al Queda would get their hands on them before we could destroy them. Plus Clinton and the entire Clintom administration claimed he had WMD's and was s danger long before Bush cancelled the Cease Fire and went into Iraq.

    And Saddam was years away from getting Nukes. Iran may already have.

    Pride goeth before a fall, and that is what you show. In the face of our depleted military, and two nations capable of attacking us at any time.

    When one of our ships of the line cannot complete missions twice in 7 months. And when Congress knows it, yet keeps feeding the Kool Aid Drinkers the line we need more cuts, I see another Pearl Harbor coming. Only worse.

    More ...







    Saddam Hussein never had ICBM's within striking distance of the USA. Nor Missile Capable Submarines patrolling off the Coast of the USA. As both China and Iran now are doing.

    He did have WMD's however. Tons of Yellowcake, which is used to make Nuke weapons, plus we are still finding caches of Biological and Chenmical weapons all over the country. Wikileaks actually found proof when they leaked all those documents last year.

    And by the way saddam used WMD's against our troops in the first Gulf War. I have friends that were involved in the Disarming and destruction of those weapons. It was kept quiet in fear that Al Queda would get their hands on them before we could destroy them. Plus Clinton and the entire Clintom administration claimed he had WMD's and was s danger long before Bush cancelled the Cease Fire and went into Iraq.

    And Saddam was years away from getting Nukes. Iran may already have.

    Pride goeth before a fall, and that is what you show. In the face of our depleted military, and two nations capable of attacking us at any time.

    When one of our ships of the line cannot complete missions twice in 7 months. And when Congress knows it, yet keeps feeding the Kool Aid Drinkers the line we need more cuts, I see another Pearl Harbor coming. Only worse.

    More than one-fifth of Navy ships fell short of combat readiness in the past two years, and fewer than half of the service’s deployed combat aircraft are ready for their missions at any given time, according to congressional testimony. That one statement alone should get peoples attentinn.

    With an ascendant China on the high seas and deep Defense Department budget cuts over the next decade, the Navy is facing “glaring deficiencies that are nothing short of alarming,” U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Va., chairman of the House Readiness Subcommittee said in July.

    Vice Adm. William Burke, deputy chief of naval operations for fleet readiness and logistics, told the committee that the Navy has “a limited supply of forces.”

    http://www.military.com/news/...

    I spend a lot of time with the Military. Kind of see that we have some of the best and brightest people, that are not getting the best and brightest equipment. Like one guy said, "When we headed toward Baghdad, the only things new that we had were our Boots and the Tires on the Humvees. And even those were designed in the 80's".
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  • MadAsHEck rr lyrae 2012/02/04 18:22:56
    MadAsHEck
    +1
    You are very out of touch my friend, and thinking wrongly.

    Our military is not prepared to defend this country from an Sneak EMP attack from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. . They have missiles in Venezuela that could put the USA back to the 18th Century with one Tactical Nuke on the tip of a Shibab 3 missile. before we could press a button to stop them. They have deployed their Missile Subs to patrol off the East coast of the USA.

    When the Ayatollah Khameni in a speech says :
    “In light of the realization of the divine promise by almighty God, the Zionists and the Great Satan (America) will soon be defeated,” Ayatollah Khamenei, the Iranian supreme leader, is warning.

    Khamenei, speaking to hundreds of youths from more than 70 countries attending a world conference on the Arab Spring just days ago, told a cheering crowd in Tehran that “Allah’s promises will be delivered and Islam will be victorious.”

    According to their religion, when the Mullahs say the Mahdi is on Earth, it is the duty of all muslims to conduct Jihad against all non believers.

    Our military is slowly being decimated. Our fleet that used to be 700 ships at sea, is down to 268, and most of those were built in the Reagan years. The trident Sub Fleet is being phased out. We have reduced all ASW flights o...







    You are very out of touch my friend, and thinking wrongly.

    Our military is not prepared to defend this country from an Sneak EMP attack from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. . They have missiles in Venezuela that could put the USA back to the 18th Century with one Tactical Nuke on the tip of a Shibab 3 missile. before we could press a button to stop them. They have deployed their Missile Subs to patrol off the East coast of the USA.

    When the Ayatollah Khameni in a speech says :
    “In light of the realization of the divine promise by almighty God, the Zionists and the Great Satan (America) will soon be defeated,” Ayatollah Khamenei, the Iranian supreme leader, is warning.

    Khamenei, speaking to hundreds of youths from more than 70 countries attending a world conference on the Arab Spring just days ago, told a cheering crowd in Tehran that “Allah’s promises will be delivered and Islam will be victorious.”

    According to their religion, when the Mullahs say the Mahdi is on Earth, it is the duty of all muslims to conduct Jihad against all non believers.

    Our military is slowly being decimated. Our fleet that used to be 700 ships at sea, is down to 268, and most of those were built in the Reagan years. The trident Sub Fleet is being phased out. We have reduced all ASW flights off both our Coasts, (Whjich was how I spent hundreds of hours chasing Subs, both friendly and unfriendly)

    The Enterprise is being decomissioned next year. As to the Airforce, The B1 Bomber program is being closed out as well, the F-35 fighter purchases reduced. Troop counts are expected to be reduced by over 100,000 within the next few years.

    Did I mention that I spent 20 years in the Navy? And spend a lot of time with the Military folk in my USO volunteer work, Plus a lot of time on bases with old and new friends in the clubs. You been to Pt. Mugu lately. In the 70's it was a behive of activity. Was there a few months ago, and its a ghost town comparitively.

    The Essex had to drop out of 2 Missions in 7 months and limp back to port due to maintenance problems. The scrapped mission is the latest in a series of problems for Navy ships. More than one-fifth of Navy ships fell short of combat readiness in the past two years, and fewer than half of the service’s deployed combat aircraft are ready for their missions at any given time, according to congressional testimony.

    You sir are thinking 20th Century warfare against a People about to gain control of 21st century weapons to fulfill their 6th Century religious goal of World domination
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  • Ramon MadAsHEck 2012/02/07 06:55:43
    Ramon
    Well all I know is what I hear and what I hear, even from FOX news, is that there were NO WMDs in Iraq. I believe that, as much grief George Bush got from not finding WMDs, that if he would've found any he would've made a big deal out of it and showed them off to the world, he wouldn't have kept them a secret from everyone. Al Quaeda would not have gotten them...becasuse we would have had them. And as for the Mullahs...they have been saying to conduct Jihad against all non believers for thousands of years, so what's new?
    I do agree that if we come up on a tangible new threat we should act on it and we should keep our military up to date with newer equipment. I think we can do that and still lower our military spending. The government wastes a lot of money on unnecessary things that do not help our military readiness.
  • MadAsHEck Ramon 2012/02/07 17:33:58 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    You need to spend some time with our Military.

    What you seem to hear is what you want to hear. If you spend some time doing research, and actively seeking the facts, you might see that this country is in real jeapordy. And on 2 fronts now. I presented you with Facts. Yet you still cling to your unbased premises.

    The threat now is that the country that strikes first, will win. No retaliation, just instant loss. And our intelligence community agrees.

    "However, just last month, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper warned that it is increasingly likely that Iran could carry out attacks in the U.S. or against U.S. targets. While Iran is feeling the effects of recent international sanctions, economic difficulties are not likely to jeopardize the regime."

    And about WMD's: There is article after article about the release of information by wikileaks. And look up the Clinton Administrations thoughts on Saddamm and WMD's prior to Bush taking office.

    And as I said I had friends that were involved in the dismanteling of those things.
  • Ramon MadAsHEck 2012/02/07 18:58:34
    Ramon
    Well, if that stuff is true and we are under an imminent threat then the politicians are really dropping the ball by not projecting the danger to the American people. Americans will be overwhelmingly against action against Iran unless they attack us or Israel first. If the US or Israel attacks first I guarentee most Americans will be against any war vs Iran. The secret to winning decisively in any war is to have your people behind you 100%. The last few wars we have fought we have not had that.
  • MadAsHEck Ramon 2012/02/07 19:18:33
    MadAsHEck
    +1
    If Iran gets nukes, it will be all over. They alrady have bases within in striking distance of the USA. Plus sending their subs to patrol off the East Coast. It only takes one small tactical Nuke to shut us down totally in minutes. Iran has been prcaticing for a couple of years now launching to 400 KM and detonating.

    Congress was briefed on this years ago, but refused to allocate funding to harden our infrastructure.

    Khameni stated the other day that There is soon to be a Great event provided by Allah that will destroy Israel and the Great Satan and Islam will be victorius.

    Believe it or not. But when someone tells me day after day, over and ovver that they want me dead, I eventually begin to believe they might mean it.
  • Ramon MadAsHEck 2012/02/07 19:20:44
    Ramon
    I can agree with you that we need to prevent any other countries (including Iran) from getting Nuclear weapons. We don't need any one else in the Nuclear club. It just makes the possibiltiy of someone using it more likely.
  • rr lyrae MadAsHEck 2012/02/04 01:01:53 (edited)
    rr lyrae
    +2
    yeah, we had a "team" of generals...the best team there was. We had some bloodnguts and we had some engineers and we had some humanists and we had some statesmen.
    Guess ya had to be there,mah-we won cause we had a team who led like no other who had EVERYBODIES' trust for very good reasons. IKE and Bradley WERE the "politicians" cause they had to deal with international leaders. Patton could not do it and OWED ALOT TO IKE AND BRADLEY AND MARSHAL for their political leadership that got him the materials and fuel and ordnance ON TIME to kick the hell out of the enemy...
    EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVEN'T GOT NOW-TRUST IN SOMEONE UNLIKE YOURSELF to get a higher purpose done.It was then called "American knowhow"-as in all Americans- from blacks and Yale and jews and nerds and richie-riches and surfers and socialists and we won like that.
  • MadAsHEck rr lyrae 2012/02/04 01:13:50 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    Actually Patton was relieved of command and sent home by Ike. And was supposedly not to be returned to duty. But when Ike got bogged down after D-Day, and it looked like he might get kicked back to the Sea, he called in Patton, who rallied the troops, and got the job done. Ike was so busy kissing Mointbatten, and De gualls's butt, he could get nothing done. Trying to make sure the English and French got their share of the Glory. Patton more or less told Montbatten and DeGualle to Kiss his Butt, and toiok charge. From whence came the saying "Either Lead or Follow, but get the Hell out of my way" As Patton told the French and English.

    Here is what we are up against. Form the lips of the Leader of Iran. Achmenidjad is not the leader, The Ayatollah Khameni and the Mullahs are. He serves at their pleasure, and could be beheaded on their whim.

    “In light of the realization of the divine promise by almighty God, the Zionists and the Great Satan (America) will soon be defeated,” Ayatollah Khamenei, the Iranian supreme leader, is warning.

    Khamenei, speaking to hundreds of youths from more than 70 countries attending a world conference on the Arab Spring just days ago, told a cheering crowd in Tehran that “Allah’s promises will be delivered and Islam will be victorious.”

    ...
    Actually Patton was relieved of command and sent home by Ike. And was supposedly not to be returned to duty. But when Ike got bogged down after D-Day, and it looked like he might get kicked back to the Sea, he called in Patton, who rallied the troops, and got the job done. Ike was so busy kissing Mointbatten, and De gualls's butt, he could get nothing done. Trying to make sure the English and French got their share of the Glory. Patton more or less told Montbatten and DeGualle to Kiss his Butt, and toiok charge. From whence came the saying "Either Lead or Follow, but get the Hell out of my way" As Patton told the French and English.

    Here is what we are up against. Form the lips of the Leader of Iran. Achmenidjad is not the leader, The Ayatollah Khameni and the Mullahs are. He serves at their pleasure, and could be beheaded on their whim.

    “In light of the realization of the divine promise by almighty God, the Zionists and the Great Satan (America) will soon be defeated,” Ayatollah Khamenei, the Iranian supreme leader, is warning.

    Khamenei, speaking to hundreds of youths from more than 70 countries attending a world conference on the Arab Spring just days ago, told a cheering crowd in Tehran that “Allah’s promises will be delivered and Islam will be victorious.”

    I spent 20 years in the military defending this country, only to be called Baby Killer for serving during Vietnam by soime in here, and now you for some reason do the same. WTF?
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  • rr lyrae MadAsHEck 2012/02/04 01:42:48
    rr lyrae
    +2
    OK,OK
    guess I prefer the old "speak softly and carry a big stick" style. Let's leave that silly blustering for the Ayatollahs and let such words go down without note...and let them come if they dare...
  • MadAsHEck rr lyrae 2012/02/04 04:10:21
    MadAsHEck
    What part of EMP do you not understand?

    One Nuke detonated at 100,000 ft. And you lose your internet, your cell phone, your automobile, all electricity, etc. Total infrastructure shutdown.

    And Iran is seeking that ability, if they already do not have it. Khameni stated it is closer than we think.

    And we no longer have the "Big Stick" . They are getting it, as we are being politically correct and not believing they will us it.
  • Ramon MadAsHEck 2012/02/04 08:52:46
    Ramon
    Iran should know...or they may find out, that we could destroy them hundreds of times over after such an attack.

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