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Should This Woman Be Allowed to See Her Kids?

SodaHead News 2011/03/25 16:00:00
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Can a paralyzed mother take care of her own children? A California judge will decide on Friday if Abbie Dorn, 34, who suffered severe brain damage after the birth of her triplets in 2006 and cannot eat, speak or move, has a constitutional right to visit her three young children.

ABC News reported that Dorn’s parents say she has every right to see her children and watch them grow up, but the father of the triplets, Dan Dorn, has argued that long visits with their motionless mom will traumatize the kids. Abbie can’t move on her own and is bedridden unless she is moved by one of her caretakers. Husband Dan has been raising the two boys and a girl on his own for almost five years and his now ex-wife last saw the children for four days last December, but had not seen them before that for three years.

Abbie’s lawyer said in final arguments on Thursday that there is no proof her client’s paralysis does harm to her children, while Dan’s attorney argued that the constitutional right to visit one’s children is “reserved for fit parents only.”

Abbie delivered her first two children without incident, but after a doctor nicked her uterus during her third child's birth, she bled so much that her heart stopped and when a defibrillator malfunctioned, her brain was deprived of oxygen.

Her parents say that Dan visited often in the days after the accident, bringing the children so Abbie could hold them, but over time the visits were more infrequent and he filed for divorce in 2007.

A team of experts hired by Dan’s lawyers determined that Abbie will never recover, but her parents countered that year of intensive physical therapy have allowed her to regain brain function and understand when people talk to her.

Should Abbie be allowed to see her kids?
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  • belle 2011/03/25 16:35:51
    Yes
    belle
    +21
    A mother will always be a mother. This woman did nothing on her own to cause this situation, The man should be ashamed of himself, The children hopefully will let him know this when they are old enough to realize how he has treated their mother all these years. Did he get money from the doctor for doing this to his wife to raise the kids?

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  • k jade 2011/04/14 23:41:29
    Yes
    k jade
    +1
    i am so distrurbed by the fact that abbie's ex is really cruel and selfish. and how in the h*ll do his attys define "fit parent"? they are out of control! my understanding is less than zero as to why abbie is being denied her rights as a mother. no trauma will occur if abbie is visiting with her children, in fact, it will be a good experience for the children and abbie alike. it seems a great opportunity for the children to grow and learn about differences, frailties, empathy, and how about love and concern! PLEASE CONTACT JONI AND FRIENDS ON TBN CABLE NETWORK CHANNEL! SHE IS A CHAMPION WARRIOR FOR THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE LIVING WITH DIFFERENCES. it is insane that this society is so ignorant about people with physical differences, so ill-informed. STOP THE DISCRIMINATION AND NARROW BELIEFS! i pray that abbie & her children get the justice they deserve.
  • sha_lyn68 2011/03/28 16:57:12
    Yes
    sha_lyn68
    +1
    I just found a long detailed account of the story: http://articles.latimes.com/2...

    Dan Dorn is a piece of work.
    Apparently Dan Dorn abandoned his wife as soon as the health insurance ran out. Her parents sold their home and business to pay for her medical care. Only 12 months after Abbie almost died giving birth Dan Dorn called Abbie's father and said he was moving on and getting married again.
  • sha_lyn68 sha_lyn68 2011/03/28 17:11:14
    sha_lyn68
    To top it all off, several articles say that Dan Dorn ha sued Abbie for child support.
  • Your friendly neighborhood ... 2011/03/28 15:28:41
    Yes
    Your friendly neighborhood stalker
    +1
    Why not? They're her children. She could have aborted the children (having multiple kids like that is risky) and instead, she gave birth to them. She obviously loves them.
  • hobo 2011/03/28 15:19:21
    Yes
    hobo
    Of course this woman should be able to see her babies. The husband is correct though about traumatizing the kids. "Hi Mom" ... "Bye Mom" visits would be most appropriate for younger kids.
  • Stacie 2011/03/28 15:03:02
    Yes
    Stacie
    This guy should be hung. She bore his children and in the process of giving birth ended up with brain damage. What happened to the sacred wedding vows of "in sickness and in health". God forbid if something happened with my husband, but if that were to happen I would take care of him forever. Vows aren't just said when it's convenient or when times are good. These children still should see their mommy. If I were the grandparents I would fight for full custody- based on parent alienation. He is deliberately alienating his children from their mom and that is and should be frowned upon by the judge!!!!!
  • Julie 2011/03/28 14:56:43
    Yes
    Julie
    +2
    This is a no brainer. My knee jerk reaction is that CPS needs to get involved -- I kind of wonder about the welfare of the children in light of some of the father's behaviors.
  • BrianC 2011/03/28 14:53:45
  • Steel Town 2011/03/28 14:50:17
  • laura 2011/03/28 14:31:47
    Yes
    laura
    +1
    Absolutely, yes. No question. When you read the story, her husband divorced her because she was not going to recover. WHAT A SLIMEBALL!! "Dan’s attorney argued that the constitutional right to visit one’s children is 'reserved for fit parents only.' " I find this totally outrageous.
  • sherron 2011/03/28 14:27:56
    Undecided
    sherron
    I think employers are becoming to invasive in our privacy. Now they want to check your credit, what the he'll does that have to do with your ability to do a job? If the job has to do with the government or working around children or the elderly than a background check is necessary, if not then keep your nose out of my business period!!
  • sha_lyn68 sherron 2011/03/28 15:09:14
    sha_lyn68
    What in the world are you talking about? Your post has nothing to do with the question at hand.
  • LilaGra... sherron 2011/03/28 15:15:04
    LilaGrace ~ Proud Liberal
    +2
    Pay more attention before you post comments that have nothing to do with the topic at hand!
  • Barbara Paolucci 2011/03/28 14:20:15
    Yes
    Barbara Paolucci
    +1
    Is the question can a paralyzed mother take care of her children or visit her children? Obviously, she has people taking care of her. It also appears that her parents are making this fight for her and probably have power of attorney to do so as she is so disabled as to need them to fight her battles. There's no reason she should be denied the right to visit her children and were she rich enough she could pay for their care in her own home. Becomming disabled doesn't mean you lose your kids!
  • red 2011/03/28 14:13:22
    Yes
    red
    +2
    Although the father most likely has his hands full raising triplets, (and probably wants to move on)the "accident" that caused this problem wasn't her fault. Children adapt to all kinds of cercumstances. If a murderer has a right to visitation with his child/ren (as long as he/she is not a threat to them) why not a mother who did nothing wrong?? Who knows, maybe there will be a cure for her paralysis in the future..

    His lawyer is wrong in saying "the constitutional right to visit one’s children is reserved for fit parents only.” Who's to judge who's fit or not?? What other diseases or malfuntioning body parts would constitute taking a parents rights away??
  • jo 2011/03/28 13:30:33
    Yes
    jo
    +1
    She absolutely has a right to see her children. having been a child of a parent who had cancer,, it's a shame Dan Dorn does not understand their children could psossiblly be so much more empathetic, not truamatized, by this unfortunate factor in their life. It's up to him to show and teach integrity to the children.
  • JimiMills 2011/03/28 13:16:07
    Yes
    JimiMills
    +1
    In the article it mentions that the father thinks visiting her will traumatize the kids. What's really going to traumatize those kids is the fact that their father divorced their mother a year after their birth. Most husbands would do everything they could to help the mother of his children. That and the fact that they have only seen her one time in 4 years. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when he tries to explain himself to them.
  • B 2011/03/28 12:58:46
    Yes
    B
    they're her children and she has not done anything to those children to prove that she is an unfit mothert.
  • Charlied169 2011/03/28 12:42:31
    Yes
    Charlied169
    Absolutely! there are lots of kids you have disabled parents and we don't say they can't see their kids. Why is she any different? And the kids are far more accepting of people with differences than most adults. I fear that the dad here will take their curiosity of mom as trama instead of what it is.

    the kids have a right to see and know their mother and mom has the right to see and know her kids!
  • Lucy 2011/03/28 11:21:19 (edited)
    No
    Lucy
    i should have put undecided. cause i say yes and no but there are reasons behind it.

    if she has no brain function and can't understand anything, then just let her go to heaven. she obviously can't take care of the kids if she can't move, so one on one, i'd say no to visits like that.

    but if she knows what's going on, then yes, but in a way that's more than just her in a bed. maybe her in a wheelchair (securely strapped in, of course) in a park, watching the kids play. it would probably be better for all involved and make the kids less scared of the hospital.
  • Charlie... Lucy 2011/03/28 13:14:58
    Charlied169
    I see your point, but I would argue that we really don't know all that much about the brain. So where our machines may claim there is not a lot of activity, we don't know for sure. And seeing her kids could really be a positive part of her recovery.

    Regardless, the kids have a right to know their mom and she has the right to see her kids
  • sha_lyn68 Lucy 2011/03/28 15:10:32
    sha_lyn68
    She isn't brain dead, she is bed ridden
  • TimothyBrianFoley 2011/03/28 07:20:57
    Undecided
    TimothyBrianFoley
    Well I will not decide but whatever the courts decide then she can see the kids otherwise her rights are being violated only If can not see them but she will fine If she can that's not her or us to decide this its the courts let them decide and stay out of this Insanity but the mother Is not Insane she just not allowed to make the decision that's all.
  • rosesvengeance BN-0 2011/03/28 06:27:10
    Yes
    rosesvengeance BN-0
    It could be only supervised visits where she wouldn't be left alone with them. That way she wouldn't need to "take care of them". She should be allowed some short visits at least, she is the kids mother after all.
  • Myrle Hulme 2011/03/28 06:24:05
    Yes
    Myrle Hulme
    If she knows they her children and she is the person that gave birth to them and is improving where does this man get the right to stop her from seeing them, if they are traumatized it is his brainwashing thats done it. If you tell something to someone over and over they will believe it
  • MegaFortunateSon 2011/03/28 05:51:24
    No
    MegaFortunateSon
    A selfish woman and a lawyer who would of thunk it.
  • sha_lyn68 MegaFor... 2011/03/28 15:11:13
    sha_lyn68
    +1
    How is it selfish for a mother to see her children and for children to see their mother?
  • LilaGra... MegaFor... 2011/03/28 15:17:43
    LilaGrace ~ Proud Liberal
    +2
    Are you kidding me? She's a "selfish woman"? Because she nearly died giving birth to her children, and her ex-husband abandoned her, and now he won't let her see the children she nearly died giving life to? The only selfish person here is her ex-husband. You are a soulless monster, if you think she is selfish.
  • k jade MegaFor... 2011/04/14 23:51:05
    k jade
    +2
    perhaps u r reading a different story than some of us if u say that abbie is selfish. yes that's it - u r reading a different story. we could NOT possibly be resoponding to the same story, unless of course u r a souless heartless empty cold shell of a human being. yikes! ;(
  • Michael 2011/03/28 05:46:00
    Yes
    Michael
    +2
    I can't believe that this wouldn't just get thrown out of court. The only way somebody's rights as a parent should be rescinded is if they actually endanger the child in any way. The fact that she was paralyzed while giving birth is no reason for a divorce, and he should be ashamed for abandoning her like that, not to mention taking her children away from her. If anything the children should be taken from him so they can learn better values than their father apparently did.
  • golem48 2011/03/28 05:43:21
    Yes
    golem48
    +2
    The husband should get a good thrashing so as to be instructive..
  • Angel 2011/03/28 05:21:01 (edited)
    Yes
    Angel
    +2
    those are her children, they should know their Mother is in the condition she is in and why she is in it... it is plain stupid to say the constitution only covers a fit parents rights...

    the father must be a real cold azzhole... his children need to learn that there are many different kinds of handicap, with his being mental....
  • DH 2011/03/28 05:02:59
    Yes
    DH
    +2
    yes this woman should be able to have some type of contact with her children. saying she can't see them is like robbing her (earn money at work and uncle sam comes in to steal it). i don't know anyone having to work for a living who is content with that. anyway, she carried these babies and gave birth to them then suffered a tragedy. how is that fair? we do not know what she is getting out of the visits. God is in control of everything that is happening for this woman and her children. we allow children in the prison to visit their parents; some who continue to make empty promises and give lots of disappointments. I think prison visits are more traumatizing in the end. some children visit so frequently and appear to enjoy themselves....go figure, enjoy prison more than spending any quality time with a woman who is not in prison, doing drugs or abusing her children...i can go on and on but i won't.
  • DeadCenter 2011/03/28 04:51:17
    Yes
    DeadCenter
    +1
    No doubt the woman understands the severity of her limitations and how hard it will be. She just wants to see her kids from time to time and watch them grow up. Even if she can't properly express it, this is probably the one thought that motivates her to continue. I don't buy the "traumatize" argument. What is he protecting them from? This is the unfortunate reality of life and his kids need to understand that and be respectful about it.
  • Scateice 2011/03/28 04:17:27
    No
    Scateice
    This woman is not fighting for the rights- her FAMILY IS. She probably has no idea her kids even exist- she is in a vegetative state. I doubt she can feel or think much at all. She had SEVERE BRAIN DAMAGE. YES, that DOES affect her thoughts. Her kids probably mean nothing to her. And her kids ALREADY met her, did none of you read the article? Seeing her is okay- but her taking care of them is like a fish taking care of them. She is paralyzed, I should remind you. I know you don't want to believe this, but other than the fact she gave birth to them, she is not really their mother. She will not be able to nurture them or love them, or talk to them. And that's all I have to say.
  • gia 2011/03/28 03:28:15
    Yes
    gia
    +1
    OMG let those babies go see her while shes still alive. He can take them in to visit her for a few hours, and then go home.
  • La 2011/03/28 03:22:44
    Undecided
    La
    +1
    Sure, he could bring them for visits. Maybe every few months? Depends if the kids want to go. They're what, six years old? They can make up their own mind.
  • gia La 2011/03/28 03:30:18
    gia
    +1
    They need to know their mother. He can tell them shes sick but still loves them. The have the right to know who their mother is.
  • Lolaita gia 2011/03/28 03:41:18
    Lolaita
    +4
    They do! Can you not read! He took them to visit her before.
    And who says she does love them? She's a vegetable, it's not a case of "mommy's sick in the hospital but don't worry she still loves you and will be home as soon as she can" it's a case of "mommy is REALLY sick, and probably doesn't know who you are".
  • LilaGra... Lolaita 2011/03/28 15:20:45
    LilaGrace ~ Proud Liberal
    +1
    Her children should know her. They should know that she loved them so much, she nearly died giving birth to them. Do you even have a heart?
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