Should They Repeal DADT Now?
SodaHead Politics
2010/11/08 20:00:00
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With the clock ticking on the Democratic majority of Congress, top political and military leaders are at odds over whether the "don't ask, don't tell" policy should be repealed before a new party comes into power.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates says he wants Congress to repeal the law, which bans gays and lesbians from openly serving in the armed services, before the lame-duck session is over in December. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, along with President Barack Obama, has also backed a repeal.
But Marine Corp Commandant Gen. James Amos said, according to The Los Angeles Times, that this wasn't the proper time, with two wars grinding on, to even consider a repeal of DADT.
"There's risk involved," Amos told the Times. "I'm trying to determine how to measure that risk. This is not a social thing. This is combat effectiveness."
The Defense Department is expected to release a study in December on the effects if DADT is overturned. But, regardless of what that report says, with Republicans taking over the House and increasing their majority in the Senate, a repeal is unlikely to occur next year.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates says he wants Congress to repeal the law, which bans gays and lesbians from openly serving in the armed services, before the lame-duck session is over in December. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, along with President Barack Obama, has also backed a repeal.
But Marine Corp Commandant Gen. James Amos said, according to The Los Angeles Times, that this wasn't the proper time, with two wars grinding on, to even consider a repeal of DADT.
"There's risk involved," Amos told the Times. "I'm trying to determine how to measure that risk. This is not a social thing. This is combat effectiveness."
The Defense Department is expected to release a study in December on the effects if DADT is overturned. But, regardless of what that report says, with Republicans taking over the House and increasing their majority in the Senate, a repeal is unlikely to occur next year.
Read More: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dont-ask-2...
Did I say kick them out if they are found out? I don't think so. Let's face it, most people probably know who they are just keep it under your hat. NO flamers!!!!! Why do these a$$holes always think they need some special treatment? Get over it!! Your gay and nobody cares!! Just keep it in the closet if you want to be in the military or don't join. Pretty simple $hit here.
The soldiers do not care.
Only by eliminating the United States military will we ever be safe from war and terror.
The founding fathers were vehemently opposed to standing armies. Anyone who supports a standing army therefore is a threat to liberty, regardless of what name he masquerades under, be it 'conservative', 'Republican' or otherwise. Here are a few quotes from Jefferson regarding the danger of standing armies. You might want to acquaint yourself with them before you speak next time:
"There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789. ME 7:323
"I do not like [in the new Federal Constitution] the omission of a Bill of Rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for... protection against standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:387
"Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace for [defense against invasion]." --Thoma...
The founding fathers were vehemently opposed to standing armies. Anyone who supports a standing army therefore is a threat to liberty, regardless of what name he masquerades under, be it 'conservative', 'Republican' or otherwise. Here are a few quotes from Jefferson regarding the danger of standing armies. You might want to acquaint yourself with them before you speak next time:
"There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789. ME 7:323
"I do not like [in the new Federal Constitution] the omission of a Bill of Rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for... protection against standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:387
"Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace for [defense against invasion]." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:334
"Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a people's] freedom and subversive of their quiet." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Lord North's Proposition, 1775. Papers 1:231
"The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force." --Thomas Jefferson to Chandler Price, 1807. ME 11:160
"A distinction between the civil and military [is one] which it would be for the good of the whole to obliterate as soon as possible." --Thomas Jefferson: Answers to de Meusnier Questions, 1786. ME 17:90
"It is nonsense to talk of regulars. They are not to be had among a people so easy and happy at home as ours. We might as well rely on calling down an army of angels from heaven." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1814. ME 14:207
"There shall be no standing army but in time of actual war." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776. Papers 1:363
"The Greeks and Romans had no standing armies, yet they defended themselves. The Greeks by their laws, and the Romans by the spirit of their people, took care to put into the hands of their rulers no such engine of oppression as a standing army. Their system was to make every man a soldier and oblige him to repair to the standard of his country whenever that was reared. This made them invincible; and the same remedy will make us so." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814. ME 14:184
"Bonaparte... transferred the destinies of the republic from the civil to the military arm. Some will use this as a lesson against the practicability of republican government. I read it as a lesson against the danger of standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Adams, 1800. ME 10:154
Also, I just want to say that I apologize if we sorta got off on the wrong foot above, in our initial replies to each other. I can be quite outrageous at times, and I tend to state things in unusual, or unconventional ways, for emphasis. I'm glad to be friends with anybody though, on any side of the political spectrum, and I do greatly value all views, whether I agree or disagree.
Much appreciated, my man.
Simple as that.
Are we stupid enough to apply it ?
Only religious and/or haters have a problem with 2 people having consentant
Nothing is fair in your sayings
These laws weren't changed overnight. But it's clear the discriminatory laws against gays will go the same way as the laws that prevented equal rights for minorities and women.
"Sixty-seven percent of babies born to the 400,000 vets who suffer from Gulf War Syndrome have birth defects," Short-term effects of high doses can result in death, while long term effects of low doses have been linked to cancer. Are you sure you want to sign up for this?
"Flamers" as you so eloquently refer to them as die for your ignorant ass; they deserve a little respect.
Kthnxbai! :-D