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By Brenda Norrell
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The United States was funneling guns to the drug cartels during the Bush administration in an operation based in Tucson, Operation Wide Receiver, years before Fast and Furious began in Arizona. Further, a cartel member now in custody in Chicago says the United States and the Sinaloa drug cartel have
been working together.
Although the news media has focused on the ATF’s Fast and Furious, another operation, Operation Wide Receiver, allowed guns to “walk” into Mexico during the Bush administration, 2006 -- 2007, according to a Tucson gun seller who kept a lengthy journal.
During the Bush administration, the guns were allowed to "walk" across the border. Those guns were not intercepted and were not traced, according to Tucson gun seller Mike Detty, who kept a journal while being an ATF informant.
While the news media and Congressmen focus on the Obama administration, the fact is that Project Gunrunner actually began in Laredo, Texas, as a pilot project in 2005, according to the Department of Justice. (1) It was this same area -- the Texas border area, and south along the Gulf in Mexico, where the most deaths, massacres and tortures have been carried out.
Back in Tucson, Mike Detty told CBS News that he began as a confidential informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in 2006. At first Detty reported a suspected gun smuggler to the ATF after a gun show. Then, the ATF asked him to work as a confidential informant. After that, he sold about 450 firearms as part of Operation Wide Receiver, from his home business Mad Dawg.
Detty said he did not realize in the beginning that the US was allowing the weapons to “walk” to criminals in Mexico. Detty told CBS News, "My first day as an informant, if they had said, 'Here's our plan, Mike: We're going to let as many guns go across the border as they can haul, and we're just gonna look and see where they pop up,' I'd have said, 'No way. That's not a plan. That's idiocy.'" (2)
In an e-mail made public this week, Detty complains about the low pay and lack of a reward or bonus and makes it clear who came into his living room. "I'd be happy to give that (informant pay) money back if you'd just leave me alone. Would you take $16,000 to have cartel (low-lifes) in your living room?"
Meanwhile, in a Chicago jail, Sinaloa drug cartel member Jesus Vicente Zambada Niebla said he has immunity and can not be prosecuted by the United States, because he was working for the United States. Zambada says the US was working with the Sinaloa drug cartel, based on Mexico’s west coast, as reported by Bill Conroy in Narco News (3).
The US now is trying to clamp down on Zambada’s testimony by applying a national security law to his case, the Classified Information Procedures Act.
On the streets of Tucson, none of this is big news.
It comes as no surprise here that the US government was supplying assault weapons to the drug cartels – assault weapons that have killed, and are still killing, innocent people in Mexico and the US. In Tucson, most people knew that the assault weapons had to be funneled south by the US government. The only surprise was that the US government got caught.
Here, most people understand that there would be no drug war in Mexico without the demand for drugs in the United States. Here most people know about the US military’s black ops. Here, people know how the US trained Latin military officers to torture at the School of Americas, and how the US Army trained the special forces who later deserted and became the Zetas, the most notorious murderers in Mexico.
The US Army even has its manual online stating that the United States furnishes guerrillas with funding and weapons, to destabilize governments and achieve other US agendas. Most people here remember that the airstrips around Marana and Tucson were used as airstrips when the US brought drugs in from Vietnam, smuggled in body bags during the Vietnam War, as exposed by former CIA agents.
Still, there are always questions on the streets of Tucson.
Less than two weeks ago, on Sept. 28, the streets were roped off downtown by police. “There’s a bomb,” said one police officer on Congress Street downtown.
There was no bomb, but there was a truck load of weapons near the federal buildings and courts. It was at the same time that Jared Lee Loughner, charged with killing six people and wounding 13 others, was in Tucson court concerning his medication, a few blocks away. There was little explanation by police of the truck loaded with weapons, but there was one arrest. (4)
Back in Washington, Republican Congressmen had no idea that their probe, and demands for the truth about gunrunning to Mexico’s drug cartels would lead back to the Bush administration. The US Attorney General, appointed by Bush in Feb. 2005, was Alberto Gonzales.
It was the murder of US Border Patrol agent Brian Terry in December, south of Tucson, that propelled Republican Congressmen to use Fast and Furious as a political hammer. However, Terry was just one of the people killed with the weapons that ATF allowed to “walk” into the hands of drug cartels.
ICE Agent Jaime Zapata was also killed with one of those weapons in northern Mexico. How many people in Mexico and on the border were killed with those weapons? It will never be known as the majority of the weapons remain in use and were never traced.
As revealed in Wikileaks, the e-trace program for weapons had too many technical problems to be functional in Mexico. In Wikileaks, US diplomats state that the level of mistrust between agencies within Mexico, and the amount of corruption within law enforcement in Mexico, results in few weapons being traced through the e-trace program.
There is another, more disturbing factor.
An unknown number of those guns that the US funneled to Mexico remain on the streets of Mexico, in the hands of drug cartels, and in the US. Those guns remain in the hands of killers.
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Schläue~© 2012/06/23 21:29:34No+5For the 50,000th time..... the guns involved with Wide Receiver were RFID chipped and they WERE tracked.
NO..... the guns were NOT funneled to drug cartels in Mexico because they never made it across the border.
The program was ended in 2007 and Fast & Furious was NOT and extension of Wide Receiver..... no matter how many time Libotomy's claim it was.






















During the Bush administration, the guns were allowed to "walk" across the border. Those guns were not intercepted and were not traced, according to Tucson gun seller Mike Detty, who kept a journal while being an ATF informant.
While the news media and Congressmen focus on the Obama administration, the fact is that Project Gunrunner actually began in Laredo, Texas, as a pilot project in 2005, according to the Department of Justice. (1) It was this same area -- the Texas border area, and south along the Gulf in Mexico, where the most deaths, massacres and tortures have been carried out.
Back in Tucson, Mike Detty told CBS News that he began as a confidential informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in 2006. At first Detty reported a suspected gun smuggler to the ATF after a gun show. Then, the ATF asked him to work as a confidential informant. After that, he sold about 450 firearms as part of Operation Wide Receiver, from his home business Mad Dawg.
NO..... the guns were NOT funneled to drug cartels in Mexico because they never made it across the border.
The program was ended in 2007 and Fast & Furious was NOT and extension of Wide Receiver..... no matter how many time Libotomy's claim it was.
While the news media and Congressmen focus on the Obama administration, the fact is that Project Gunrunner actually began in Laredo, Texas, as a pilot project in 2005, according to the Department of Justice.
You've posted some propaganda piece, filled with lies and doesn't come close to what all documented accounts of the operation were.
Those details emerge from a 594-page journal kept by the paid informant, Tucson firearms dealer Mike Detty, and emails between Detty, Justice Department lawyers and ATF agents. The Star reviewed the documents relating to Operation Wide Receiver last week, but about half the journal's pages were blacked out by officials.
A comment made by an ATF agent April 3, 2007 - and written down by Detty in his journal - made clear the fix the agents were in. As Detty discussed a future gun purchase by a man buying weapons for mafias in Mexico, one agent said:
"We're getting a lot of heat so this will probably be his last purchase. We just can't keep letting these guns go to Mexico with impunity," Detty quoted the agent as saying.
The operation lasted for much of the rest of 2007, but the idea resumed in a more widespread way when Operation Fast and Furious began in Phoenix in November 2009. Fast and Furious came to public attention after U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered near Rio Rico Dec. 14, and two of the guns at the scene were discovered to have been sold as part of the ATF operation.
In an interview...
Those details emerge from a 594-page journal kept by the paid informant, Tucson firearms dealer Mike Detty, and emails between Detty, Justice Department lawyers and ATF agents. The Star reviewed the documents relating to Operation Wide Receiver last week, but about half the journal's pages were blacked out by officials.
A comment made by an ATF agent April 3, 2007 - and written down by Detty in his journal - made clear the fix the agents were in. As Detty discussed a future gun purchase by a man buying weapons for mafias in Mexico, one agent said:
"We're getting a lot of heat so this will probably be his last purchase. We just can't keep letting these guns go to Mexico with impunity," Detty quoted the agent as saying.
The operation lasted for much of the rest of 2007, but the idea resumed in a more widespread way when Operation Fast and Furious began in Phoenix in November 2009. Fast and Furious came to public attention after U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered near Rio Rico Dec. 14, and two of the guns at the scene were discovered to have been sold as part of the ATF operation.
In an interview, Detty said he was told at the beginning of his work as a paid informant that ATF agents were working with Mexican officials who could track or seize the weapons he sold. That turned out not to be true, Detty said - and that may have delayed the prosecution of the nine people eventually charged.
Detty wrote in a Sept. 22 email to the current Justice Department prosecutor, Washington D.C.-based Laura Gwinn: "I spoke with the first AUSA (federal prosecutor) that was on Wide Receiver. He told me the reason he chose not to prosecute it was because ATF lied to him and said the guns were being followed/interdicted on the other side of the border. This is also what they had told me."
Detty, who writes about guns for magazines as well as selling them, said he wrote the journal entries within a couple of days of when the meetings with buyers occurred, often in the living room of his Tucson-area home. In his journal, Detty repeatedly urged the buyers - young Tucson men with connections in Caborca, Sonora, Tijuana or Sinaloa - to move the guns across the border fast.
"The best way for all of us to stay out of trouble is for these guns to go to Mexico as quickly as possible," Detty told a buyer on April 11, 2007, his journal shows. "Once they're in Mexico, it's no longer a problem for me, but if they stay here a week or longer and somebody finds them, then it comes back to me because of the serial numbers on the gun."
In an interview Friday, Detty said he pushed the buyers to move the guns south fast at the request of his ATF handlers, who otherwise had to conduct labor-intensive surveillance.
"The sooner they (smugglers) got them loaded and got them to Mexico, the less time they (agents) would have to spend on their stakeouts," Detty said Friday.
Justice Department officials did not respond to an email sent late Friday requesting comment.
Only once in the journal, which Detty says he kept so that he could write a book later, did he note that guns were seized from the criminal groups he sold them to. But in that case, the seizure was by U.S. Customs officials, not Mexican agents. Indeed, Detty now acknowledges, if Mexican officials started seizing loads of guns he sold, that would have hurt the investigation too.