GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN!!!
Should There Be a Limit to Yard Sales?
SodaHead News
2012/04/13 13:00:00
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Lawmakers in South Greensburg, Pennsylvania, are trying to limit yard sale frequency so people can't turn their front lawn into a second-hand store. According to Borough Council President Clentin Martin, some residents have been "buying junk ... in these flea markets, bringing it home, putting it into their garage, and then calling it a 'garage sale.'" Neighbors aren't thrilled about the traffic.
The law that will be considered next month proposes to limit the frequency of residential yard sales. Martin explains, "[The limit] would be two consecutive days, and they couldn't run it all week. And they can't run it weekly. They can't run it monthly. Just two separate permits that would limit that. And it's relatively inexpensive. It’s $5 a permit." Does that sound fair, or should people be allowed to hold yard sales as often as they'd like?
The law that will be considered next month proposes to limit the frequency of residential yard sales. Martin explains, "[The limit] would be two consecutive days, and they couldn't run it all week. And they can't run it weekly. They can't run it monthly. Just two separate permits that would limit that. And it's relatively inexpensive. It’s $5 a permit." Does that sound fair, or should people be allowed to hold yard sales as often as they'd like?
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The Patriot RP 2012 2012/04/13 21:23:53
Wow, people on SodaHead are idiots.
Please don't make blanket statements about your fellow sodaheads. That just isn't cool, friend.
By that line of thinking, your neighbors should be allowed to play their music as loud as they want at any time of the night since they are playing their music on their property.
I'm sorry for speaking the truth but for you and anyone else to say there should not be zoning ordinances or laws is stupid. That is what this argument is all about, having laws and zoning ordinances.
If I move to the country, and the farmer next door starts pig farming, I have no right to complain; the land is zoned for farming. If I move into a commercial district and the property owner next to me wants to sell crap in his front yard I have no right to complain because the property is zoned for it. HOWEVER, If I buy a plot of land in a residential neighborhood and my neighbor decides to break the law and start pig farming or open a store front (year round yard sale) in their front yard even though it was zoned for residential instead of farm or commercial use, then my neighbor is clearly in the wrong.
MY fellow SodaHeads believe in...
By that line of thinking, your neighbors should be allowed to play their music as loud as they want at any time of the night since they are playing their music on their property.
I'm sorry for speaking the truth but for you and anyone else to say there should not be zoning ordinances or laws is stupid. That is what this argument is all about, having laws and zoning ordinances.
If I move to the country, and the farmer next door starts pig farming, I have no right to complain; the land is zoned for farming. If I move into a commercial district and the property owner next to me wants to sell crap in his front yard I have no right to complain because the property is zoned for it. HOWEVER, If I buy a plot of land in a residential neighborhood and my neighbor decides to break the law and start pig farming or open a store front (year round yard sale) in their front yard even though it was zoned for residential instead of farm or commercial use, then my neighbor is clearly in the wrong.
MY fellow SodaHeads believe in following the law, respecting local ordinances and changing them through legal means if they are not satisfactory. You and your group of Anarchists don't represent the majority of SodaHead people.
So if I offended a group of lefty Anarchist zealots who would shoot people who want to enforce the law (see most popular post) and who believe there should not be laws, ordinances or that property should not be zoned then SFW?
I think you need to check the definitions for the terms "zoning" and "neighborhood rules". Even if a neighborhood's HOA rules say one can't have a pig farm that doesn't stop the guy who lives behind their neighborhood on his lot from owning half a dozen pigs and chickens. His house may also still be residentially zoned. Trust me, the stink will carry right through the neighborhood boundary regardless of their rules. On top of that, I think there are also some seriously gray lines on what defines "farming". I'm pretty sure you can raise several animals of a barnyard nature on residential property so long as your not selling it and the animals are contained. This would also depend on which state you live in.
Also, I don't ever remember saying that there should not be laws, zoning, etc. despite your linearly derived assumptions. My only point was that if someone has a problem with their neighbors, they have the freedom to move or have no neighbors at all. If they don't have the freedom to move, that's by their doing because the only thing stopping you is your own financial or social situation. Every freedom is, after all, earned. If you set yourself up to be financially aff...
I think you need to check the definitions for the terms "zoning" and "neighborhood rules". Even if a neighborhood's HOA rules say one can't have a pig farm that doesn't stop the guy who lives behind their neighborhood on his lot from owning half a dozen pigs and chickens. His house may also still be residentially zoned. Trust me, the stink will carry right through the neighborhood boundary regardless of their rules. On top of that, I think there are also some seriously gray lines on what defines "farming". I'm pretty sure you can raise several animals of a barnyard nature on residential property so long as your not selling it and the animals are contained. This would also depend on which state you live in.
Also, I don't ever remember saying that there should not be laws, zoning, etc. despite your linearly derived assumptions. My only point was that if someone has a problem with their neighbors, they have the freedom to move or have no neighbors at all. If they don't have the freedom to move, that's by their doing because the only thing stopping you is your own financial or social situation. Every freedom is, after all, earned. If you set yourself up to be financially affected by the decisions of your neighbors, then you should be prepared to accept any eventuality of that arrangement.
At least with home owner associations, the rules are determined by the people living in the neighborhoods to try to meet the needs of that community. This post is talking about having the goverment step in and make the rules from above. I really only disagree with this because typically when lawmakers issue rules or laws, they belong to the highest bidder and may not have the full picture. They're just trying to appease the loudest angriest mouth as fast as possible. This may not end up creating the best solution for all involved. Just the one or two guys yelling loudest and last.
On a completely different note, what's up with the name calling and over stereotyping? I almost didn't waste my time with a response to what you wrote above because honestly, I can't see carrying on a productive debate with someone who resorts to childish name-calling when someone disagrees with them. I know people like you in my life and they spend a lot of time alone. Hopefully you're not yet in this situation.
In no way did I argue that people shouldn't be allowed to get together and created their own zoning laws. In fact, I would only ever argue that laws should be handled by individual communities. This is how it was handled early on. Again though, as the population continues to increase it becomes harder and harder to coordinate these laws with the ever growing cesspool of humanity that pack into smaller and smaller areas.
I agree but the fault is not their's, the fault is ours for voting for them. If the majority of citizens want to vote for Republicans and Democrats who don't represent their best interest then that IS the will of the people.
"People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard." ~ H.L. Mencken
The same goes for zoning ordinances, it is the responsibility of the community to elect a representative to the local board, city council or federal legislator and if a guy gets elected that doesn't have your best interest in mind, bad mouthing the community/government or threatening to shoot people upholding the law (the will of the people) is unAmerican and Anarchist, and people who make those threats and bad mouth the community/government deserves to be ridiculed and shunned (i.e. calling him/them stupid).
It sounds like you agree with me, that the community, which IS government, has the right to set zoning ordinances and laws any way they want and if the community decides that having rummage sales every day of the year in your front yard constitutes a business and is not allowed in a residential zone, that is perfect...
I agree but the fault is not their's, the fault is ours for voting for them. If the majority of citizens want to vote for Republicans and Democrats who don't represent their best interest then that IS the will of the people.
"People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard." ~ H.L. Mencken
The same goes for zoning ordinances, it is the responsibility of the community to elect a representative to the local board, city council or federal legislator and if a guy gets elected that doesn't have your best interest in mind, bad mouthing the community/government or threatening to shoot people upholding the law (the will of the people) is unAmerican and Anarchist, and people who make those threats and bad mouth the community/government deserves to be ridiculed and shunned (i.e. calling him/them stupid).
It sounds like you agree with me, that the community, which IS government, has the right to set zoning ordinances and laws any way they want and if the community decides that having rummage sales every day of the year in your front yard constitutes a business and is not allowed in a residential zone, that is perfectly within their right and that anyone who thinks they are above the law, that laws don't apply to them or threaten violence against the community because they do not like the law are in the wrong and deserve to be ridiculed and called out for their unAmerican, Anarchist behavior.
Am I correct that you agree with that sentiment?!?!?
The only point I had been trying to make is that communication between state level laws and individual neighborhoods isn't very good so even if they made a state law about it, it would be hard to enforce or maybe even get passed in the first place. Especially considering there would be no monetary benefit for whoever represented this issue.
I also totally agree that this is our fault. Take the upcoming election for example. We're stuck with only three (but really just two) potential options for president and we can't see more options because a lot of capable excellent leaders don't have millions and millions in backers to help them get to the ballot. We allowed this system to fall into the place its in.
I've enjoyed hashing this out with you. Have a good Friday.