
Should the U.S. toughen its gun laws?
L.A. Times
2013/01/14 19:57:26
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President Obama said Monday that he will unveil a package of proposals to combat gun violence later this week, but acknowledged the daunting politics of getting all the legislative components through Congress.
Speaking at a news conference a month after the mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., Obama said members of Congress “are going to have to have a debate and examine their own conscience” when it comes to considering gun legislation.
Vice President Joe Biden, along with several cabinet secretaries, have compiled a list of “common sense steps” to reduce gun violence, Obama said — the fruits of a nearly month-long working group that consulted with law enforcement, gun rights groups, mental health advocates and gun control supporters, among others.

Speaking at a news conference a month after the mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., Obama said members of Congress “are going to have to have a debate and examine their own conscience” when it comes to considering gun legislation.
Vice President Joe Biden, along with several cabinet secretaries, have compiled a list of “common sense steps” to reduce gun violence, Obama said — the fruits of a nearly month-long working group that consulted with law enforcement, gun rights groups, mental health advocates and gun control supporters, among others.

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Dave**Gay for Girls** 2013/01/14 21:04:23



















gun owners because what happen. Stand up for the 2nd Amendment , it protects our constitiution.
YOUR guns controlled by SOFT ON CRIME liberals? Think real effin hard about that.
& all this talk-what about what they did concerning Benghazi? No help for requested security upgrades....no help at all...
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. * Oh, you mean do what the agencies have been supposed to be doing all along.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. * The maze of laws and regulations belched out by Congress and the Executive branch each year, and which we underwhelmingly support, have a deleterious impact on background checks, as they do with accomplishing anything in this country.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
* Fall in line States, or we will deprive you of Federal money.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. * Barack Husseign Obama can start with the Fast and Furious gunrunning scheme to the Mexican drug dealers that he implemented.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun. * In ot...
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1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. * Oh, you mean do what the agencies have been supposed to be doing all along.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. * The maze of laws and regulations belched out by Congress and the Executive branch each year, and which we underwhelmingly support, have a deleterious impact on background checks, as they do with accomplishing anything in this country.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
* Fall in line States, or we will deprive you of Federal money.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. * Barack Husseign Obama can start with the Fast and Furious gunrunning scheme to the Mexican drug dealers that he implemented.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun. * In other words grant them a power they already have in every state.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers. * File 13 awaits those letters.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. * Put the NRA in charge of it. They have been running gun safety courses since the 19th century.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission). * A review in search of a problem. Guns are very safe, ill-trained or careless owners, not so much.
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. * Something routinely done in virtually every jurisdiction in the United States.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement. * Something else for local cops to ignore. The paper churned out by the Feds to local law enforcement would take up a large part of their time if they actually paid attention to most of it, which they don’t.
11. Nominate an ATF director. * Having a permanent director as opposed to the interim director who has served since 2011 and who Obama has nominated will make all the difference in the world for that troubled agency...NOT!
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations. * Any “first responders” who already do not have plans to deal with a shooter should be fired on the spot. More useless training to provide a dog and pony show for the public.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. * This ranks with saying we are going to try really, really hard to do the job that we should have been doing all along.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. * Moral and law enforcement problems transformed into a medical problem.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies * We have had these devices called safeties and locked gun cabinets for a very long time Mr. Attorney General, so save yourself the work.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. * Because we always look for advice on home defense from doctors or should they now be called federal snitches?
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. * Something they already know, since they are covered by state mandatory reporting laws now.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. * Yeah, that is the same proposal that liberals went berserk over when the head of the NRA made it a month ago! One-third of schools already have armed guards and/or cops in them.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education. * Maybe not advertising that they are gun free zones, (Free Kill Zones) so that every loon knows they will be a happy hunting ground?
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover. * We will overlook the fact that most mass shooters have received mental health care that did not prevent their rampages.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. * In the words of Rahm Emanuel, never let a crisis go to waste.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations. * Did Rahm Emanuel write some of these 23 edicts?
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health. *Because they have been so successful at running Obamacare and the Department of Education that they have plenty of time to talk about better living through more liberal progressive head shrinking.
Summary of O'Liars 23 Edicts; Just more BS about reissuing laws that are already on the books & making government do their fu*king job following these laws that they were suppose to be doing in the first place.
Such BS-he's doing all this to take away our rights about gun ownership, while he's giving away our top military secrets in the F-16's, & Abram tanks-free-to Egypt, who has a Muslim Brotherhood dictator at the top, who hates Israel & America.
thanks alot to the crazies who voted this despot in.
http://www.teaparty.org/dhs-t...
Here's a petition AGAINST Senator Feinsteins gun ban, & a couple more to congress.
http://www.nagr.org/feinstein...
http://pages.townhall.com/cam...
http://www.petition2congress....
http://www.ruger.com/micros/a...
So who'se to say who needs what kind of 'intervention'??? Medication or jail? or both?
Forced?
& the Attorney General was in charge of Fast & Furious-so what's he going to be looking for-the serial numbers of the guns they gave to Mexico, that Obama gave another Executive Order to CONCEAL the INFORMATION? & WANTS TO CONTINUE SEALING THE INFO for any wrong doing on the gov'ts part.
Remember big brother? He's really watching us now!
by regulating and limiting americas right to weapons, this makes them vaurnable to street gangs, mobs, home grown bullies, or any one with a missing screw in thier head.
having a legally registered gun is like buying a forclosed cheap home, i cant believe the goverment is going to make another mistake and steal the american dream away from the people.
In Chicago, 466 kids under 18 were killed in 2012, and no one said a word cause it was all unregistered guns and thugs.
Legal gun owners commit very few crimes, BUT since lawyers and judges keep letting the criminals get away with it, it will just keep happening. As long as a thug can buy a gun, it will keep happening, limiting the citizens right to bear arms, is just making us targets.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.
In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions concerning the Second Amendment. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia[1][2] and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. In dicta, the Court listed many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession as being consistent with the Second Amendment.[3] In McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.[4]
I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
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"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …"
Richard Henry Lee
writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.
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"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."
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"… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
More gun laws are only going to make it harder for the law abiding citizens to own, buy or possess a firearm, it is NOT going to slow down the criminals or mentally ill from getting weapons.
Wretha
On Wednesday, watch Obama surrond himself with children when he spews his rehortic, and then remember what the man in these pictures did after doing the same thing
Obama did not kill 10 million people and it is offensive for you to compare Obama to that monster.
Also, he's putting it through Congress to get it approved. Listen to THE NEWS, not Rush Limbaugh.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the h...
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends. SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! IT'S A NO BRAINER!DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET. Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people.
Defense Authorization Act
this new bill, which passed the Senate with an alarming majority, allows the military to arrest American citizens on American soil and keep them without trial. It’s being called the “America the Battlefield” bill, because it treats your front yard like a battlefield — and every citizen like a potential enemy. It basically puts a giant asterisk next to the Bill of Rights saying, “unless we don’t feel like it,” and coupled with the Patriot Act disolves most of the bill of rights.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/...
Now to the meat...if you would have read my post carefully you would have seen that I did not call Emperor Obama "Hitler" as many others have done...nor...did I even actually compare him to Hitler. All I said was that his using kids for the emotional/PR value to tug at heartstrings, and to distract people from his true agenda REMINDED me of old newreels of Hitler performing similarly as he was issuing edicts that eventually led to his becoming dictator.
Wise people have always warned that if we don't pay attention to the mistakes from the past...we are doomed to repeat them. Well, one of the first things that Hitler did when he took office was called for tight ...
Now to the meat...if you would have read my post carefully you would have seen that I did not call Emperor Obama "Hitler" as many others have done...nor...did I even actually compare him to Hitler. All I said was that his using kids for the emotional/PR value to tug at heartstrings, and to distract people from his true agenda REMINDED me of old newreels of Hitler performing similarly as he was issuing edicts that eventually led to his becoming dictator.
Wise people have always warned that if we don't pay attention to the mistakes from the past...we are doomed to repeat them. Well, one of the first things that Hitler did when he took office was called for tight gun controls and gun registration...which in short order led to a nationwide seizure of those registered weapons so that the people could not resist his overthrowing the government. Maybe none of that would happen in America, but history shows that it has happened time and again!
Oh, and I don't know why liberals think that conservatives all listen to Fox News, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh like mindless sheep when nothing could be further from the truth! I am fully capable of making my own mind up on the issues...thank you very much!
Do you even know what semi automatic means?