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Should the U.S. allow the European union to break up?

Christian 2012/06/23 02:41:11
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The European union started in 1992 since then it has grown
very large with a combined economy or GDP of
16 trillion dollars. Germany
the largest of them with a GDP of around 6
Trillion seems to be not only the largest but also the nation with the
healthiest economy. Many Americans do not feel any loyalty to Europe
however; I beg to differ in this opinion. If it had not been for Europe,
our nation would not be here. France
and Spain both
helped us during the revolutionary war and this Americans should never forget.
Skipping way ahead to the Roosevelt administration both
nations stayed friends with the United States
even after Roosevelt helped the decolonization of many
territories belonging to these nations. I understand why Roosevelt wanted
Democracy for the world, what he did not understand was that some nations are
just not ready for Democracy and some of those nations when on their own did
not do very well and to this day are not doing well at all, like Mexico for
example and many South American nations. During WW2, the English and many other
European nations were a great help to the USA
in beating a hostile war like nation, which as you know, was Nazi Germany at
the time. Our nation is a result of the trials and errors of Europe.
Our Judicial System our unions and our civil rights laws are based on the best
of Europe's laws and economic ideology. The Statue of
liberty was given to us by France,
as a symbol of justice for all and freedom for all. Europe
now needs America
to keep from falling. Europe does not need Americans to say,
"Hey you were to generous to your people so you deserve what you got".
They may very well be to liberalistic for many of us to take seriously or to
want to help, but as in life as it is many times in foreign affairs, even
though you may not agree with a friend you still must be a friend when the time
comes that a friend is needed. What Europe was and is
trying to do, is noble in my eyes. You cannot turn your back on someone or in this
case a continental entity that is so pro worker and or pro individual. The
highest quality goods have come out of Europe for many
years with a happy common man or worker and the loss or even the temporary loss
of these countries economies to me will lead to the domino affect for us and
many other countries around the world.

If Europe still had its old territories less the United States it may not be in this situation today.

The European union consists of 27 nations and needs a monetary infusion of 3 trillion dollars to survive.

If Europe fails the USA and the world may follow.

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  • TuringsChild 2012/06/23 02:45:29
    No, The United States should let them break up.
    TuringsChild
    +3
    HOW THE HELL IS IT ANY OF OUR BUSINESS??? Remember George Washington? What did he say about Foreign Entanglements??????????

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  • Walter Harris 2012/06/26 00:32:54
    Europe is to big to fail something must be done.
    Walter Harris
    +1
    europe has too much interest in our industries
  • Christian Walter ... 2012/06/26 16:54:29
    Christian
    Your right but just like letting Lehman Brothers fail we will let Europe fail and they will become more Socialist instead of more Capitalist which is a shame. Americans make huge mistakes but the worse will be being the only successful capitalist country which hurts our chances of succeeding in a world of Socialism.
  • Daniel S 2012/06/23 19:39:21
  • Christian Daniel S 2012/06/24 06:01:40
    Christian
    I understand, but I'm worried about things getting worse here.
  • blindfaith 2012/06/23 12:07:56
    None of the above
    blindfaith
    +1
    Firstly, the UK is not a part of the Eurozone, we still have our own currency. Perhaps with hindsight the European Union should consist only of the countries with financial stability, what has happened is that smaller countries have been encouraged to join up by 'cooking' the books in order to enhance their credentials for membership. It must be said that the old Eastern bloc countries were never eligable for membership and have only been free of Russian opression since 1989, Ukraine still has political prisoners and a human rights problem. The big melting pot of Europe was doomed from the start, and America should not give financial aid at all, the gravy train is coming to a sorry end and i for one would be more than happy to see the fall, or implosion of the Europran Union.
  • Ray the... blindfaith 2012/06/23 12:23:54
    Ray the Dog!
    +1
    Very concise and well put,bf. All so very true into the bargain!!
  • blindfaith Ray the... 2012/06/23 12:37:42
    blindfaith
    +1
    Thanks Ray. This site is turning me into a fillosifer, philosifer, phylesafor....clever cloggs !! How are you managing with all this rain, have you grown any fins yet??
  • Ray the... blindfaith 2012/06/23 12:46:47 (edited)
    Ray the Dog!
    +1
    Not Yet,bf (grown the fins, that is!) The amount of time I spend in the sea with 'crazy Jake'-the labrador-I could do with a pair, ESPECIALLY with the constant deluge we are suffering here at the moment in N.Ayrshire! All the best for now, old mate, Ray.
  • Christian blindfaith 2012/06/23 17:36:47
    Christian
    +1
    Why would you be happy?
  • blindfaith Christian 2012/06/23 19:00:48
    blindfaith
    +1
    Mmmm, where do i start, mass immigration from former Soviet controled States, unable to deport Islamic fundamentalists (UCHR), African nationals living off of the benefit system, bailing out member countries who saw the EU as a gravy train to get rich quick, oh and the entire EU system in Brussels is corrupt, and that's just for starters. This was an ill conceived plot to maintane world peace, the problem is, at the time nobody could foresee Islamic Theocasy being the new 'battlefield', or the fall of the Soviet Union which has caused the mad rush of hundreds of thousands of immigrants heading West into the UK. It's little wonder that Europe is in recession, there are too many people chasing too few jobs, and the new influx are claiming benefits without paying a single penny into the pot.
    This is just scratching the surface my friend, i haven't even mentioned the crime wave yet.
  • Christian blindfaith 2012/06/23 19:29:34
    Christian
    +1
    Very true, they should have taken care of their borders.
  • blindfaith Christian 2012/06/23 19:56:09
    blindfaith
    And therein lies the problem. We have no borders anymore, we have the freedom to travel and work within this huge Continent called Europe. It was a sleeping monster until the forming of the original EEC, now the monster has awakened and is eating everything in sight. An image of St George and the Dragon, unfortunately this time poor old George is defenceless, he has been unarmed by the political elite. Do you know that the Ukraine still imprisons dissidents, and they are EU members, can you believe it? The old guard is still alive and kicking, and our governments have the brass neck to lecture us on tolerance and Liberalism.
    Old England will never be the same again, our fathers and grandfathers fought and died for this land and its people, only for a bunch of unqualified 'politicians' to hand it over for 30 pieces of silver.
    Make no mistake, you in America are heading in the same direction, Russia, China and India are part of the BRIC alliance and are therefore economically doing great, what would they collectively do for America or the UK...nothing. The banks of Australia, New Zealand and Canada are all solvent, they had little or no interest in Europe. Our governments are taking us in the wrong direction, because it suits their agenda, lambs to the slaughter is all we are. I'm sorry to sound so negative but that's the way it is.
    PS, check out Yulia Tymoshenko on google.
  • Christian blindfaith 2012/06/24 06:02:10
    Christian
    +1
    I forgot that England is not part of that.
  • Katfish 2012/06/23 07:53:31
    None of the above
    Katfish
    Its for the countries of the union to decide. They made their own bed and should sleep in it. Any sort of bailout just encourages more reliance on bailouts. Bad debt should be liquidated to move forward with a new responsible approach.
  • MrsJJS 2012/06/23 07:31:55
    None of the above
    MrsJJS
    +2
    Actually initially our beef wasn’t with Germany it was with Japan. WWII started in 1939 and we weren’t prepared to get involved until December 1941 when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. We helped them defeat Hitler not the other way around.

    Our judicial system was based on the English one not that of Europe as a whole.

    The problems the EU countries are experiencing are not as simplistic as "Hey you were too generous to your people so you deserve what you got" Despite being repeatedly warned not to, the EU planners put the cart before the horse in their rush to get the EU up and running and that is one of the major causes of their present issues. So no we shouldn’t be handing out money willy nilly…they need fix the problems that caused this because if they don’t it we will just be throwing good money after bad. One of the things they would have to do to fix the problem is set up a federal government to set financial policy for all the member states and I can’t see the individual countries giving up their independence and sovereignty to effectively be ruled by Germany.
  • blindfaith MrsJJS 2012/06/23 11:55:03
    blindfaith
    That just about sums up the European position, well written.
  • Christian MrsJJS 2012/06/23 19:35:05
    Christian
    It is based on the French system as well. We would have gone to war with Germany anyway, Germany for sure would have attacked NYC from Portugal, because many war goods and materials were made here.
  • MrsJJS Christian 2012/06/23 21:51:49
    MrsJJS
    Actually the French justice system is based on the Roman legal institution known as civil law and the US justice system is based on British common law.

    And I doubt very highly that the US would have gotten involved in the second world war if it wasn’t for the fact that Japan bombed Pearl Habor. Would Germany have tried to invade the US? No, Hitler was a right nutter but he wasn’t that nuts. Technology in the 40’s is not what it is today. I don’t think it would be possible for Germany to invade the US back in those days. If all our troops were in our country defending our borders Hiter wouldn't have a snow balls chance in hell of successfully invading the US. And lets not forget we were the only county at that time who had the atomic bomb.
  • ruthannhausman 2012/06/23 07:16:41
    Undecided
    ruthannhausman
    +2
    "Allow"? Just what is it we can do that will enable us to "allow" or "not allow" anything Europe does? We're in pretty rotten shape ourselves, folks. I don't want Europe to crumble into the dust but I don't see how America has any ability to orchestrate much of anything over there.

    However, I do believe we should do whatever we can, whatever we are able to do to support them and hope they can survive. Many of them are already instituting the principles of the free enterprise system of America and some are seeing positive results beginning to take hold. I hope they succeed, I really do. But "allow"? Sad as it may sound, and much as I hate to have to say it, America is no longer in a position to "allow" anything anymore. Such is the sad state of affairs we have allowed us to sink into with this current Administration.
  • Christian ruthann... 2012/06/23 07:39:12
    Christian
    Well written. Ruth I hate to write this but I think we may be looking down the barrel of 2 times 2008 with Europe going under. 15 companies will be in immediate trouble, Bank Of America, Western Union, Philip Morris, Coca Cola and MacDonald's are three of them because a huge chunk of their sales are in Europe and I just named one bank, many will go under if Europe falls. As much as a trillion dollars may be ripped from U.S. companies and banks at a time when we are on the brink of collapse in the United States, so your talking a bad situation that is getting an unusually low amount of press and the reason is alarm-ism in the markets. The media may be cooperating with the government and not seriously reporting that a really bad situation may be coming. The markets are selling off and its investment companies that are doing the selling and amateurs are filling the gaps buying the stocks. My guess is the rich are selling off and the poor are buying which is stabilizing the markets. I have a feeling the markets are going lose 3000 point in the next 6 months if Europe goes under. The media has been very good to Obama to the point of sickness. I like the President but he has done very little for the unemployed and the economy.
  • ruthann... Christian 2012/06/24 04:08:32
    ruthannhausman
    I can somewhat agree with what you've said. But I'm a hopeless optimist. And I believe that I cannot throw down my optimism for realism because then that would be surrendering. So I'll stand up on my optimism for now, kiddo. There are too many good Americans still in this country, despite the nasty political rhetoric blistering the atmosphere and I truly believe we are exceptional. And exceptional people can accomplish exceptional things. So don't be giving up, my friend, just don't.

    I am sorry to hear that you like Obama but impressed that you can make that statement and still see that he has done a poor job for the taxpayers. I personally do not like the man, never have, and I don't trust him. I have read too many things about his leanings politically and his warped ideology that does not belong in the White House. There are lots of folks who believe as he does -- evidence his election, for one thing -- and there is nothing wrong with him being able to express his opinions, etc. But, with those beliefs of his, he does not belong in the White House, period. His ideology is anti-American, contra everything we stand for. I believe he slipped through the cracks and, with the support of some pretty heavy-duty sinister folks, caught a lot of disillusioned Americans off g...



    I can somewhat agree with what you've said. But I'm a hopeless optimist. And I believe that I cannot throw down my optimism for realism because then that would be surrendering. So I'll stand up on my optimism for now, kiddo. There are too many good Americans still in this country, despite the nasty political rhetoric blistering the atmosphere and I truly believe we are exceptional. And exceptional people can accomplish exceptional things. So don't be giving up, my friend, just don't.

    I am sorry to hear that you like Obama but impressed that you can make that statement and still see that he has done a poor job for the taxpayers. I personally do not like the man, never have, and I don't trust him. I have read too many things about his leanings politically and his warped ideology that does not belong in the White House. There are lots of folks who believe as he does -- evidence his election, for one thing -- and there is nothing wrong with him being able to express his opinions, etc. But, with those beliefs of his, he does not belong in the White House, period. His ideology is anti-American, contra everything we stand for. I believe he slipped through the cracks and, with the support of some pretty heavy-duty sinister folks, caught a lot of disillusioned Americans off guard and got himself elected on a platform loaded with a whole lot of false planks.

    Many Europeans, as we have been seeing lately, have been lulled into the mentality which has enabled the current disasters to develop. But I also happen to believe in the spirit of the Europeans as well, particularly the British, but even the French to some respect and all the others as well. I think they have finally been struck in the head with a blunt object known as reality and are in the process of absorbing the effects of same. I think they have the gumption to overcome their adversities and I think there is a chance they can pull themselves back out of this mess they've gotten themselves into. At least I have to keep thinking that way. Too depressing to think otherwise!

    You may be right about the markets. But I've watched that sucker for many, many years and I've seen it pull all kinds of tricks. I think it will dip initially but there will be a frenzy of buyers out there getting back in when the Republicans take over the White House. If we can hang in there and the current Administration not be allowed to pull any fast stunts -- which they are fully capable of doing, you watch -- then we will come out of this with our dignity intact. America is too strong to fail. This I believe. Too many good folks. We outnumber the bastards a million to one. Hang in there, my friend, and don't lose your faith. Even if you do like Obama. (Joke. Had to lighten this up, it was getting to gloomy and corny!)
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  • rootbeer29 2012/06/23 05:04:21
    None of the above
    rootbeer29
    +1
    Perestroika? - bodes well for Asia.
  • JanHopkins 2012/06/23 04:09:27
    No, The United States should let them break up.
    JanHopkins
    +1
    Hey! We tried to tell them but they were so sure it would work. Let it die in peace.
  • Christian JanHopkins 2012/06/23 04:16:02 (edited)
    Christian
    A 16 trillion dollar economy is collapsing, if a few big banks hurt us in 2008, what do you think the entire continent of Europe will do to us if they collapse?
  • Christian Christian 2012/06/23 04:18:13
    Christian
    If Europe collapses mark my words you may be at risk of losing your job the next day, many U.S. companies are tied to Europe.
  • JanHopkins Christian 2012/06/23 05:05:28
    JanHopkins
    +1
    Maybe they will wake up and smell the coffee. They are the ones who voted in all kinds of freebies and social engineering such as retirement at age 60 or less. They spent the money they had and now they want more so they can continue the same progressive agenda. You can send them your personal bank account if you want to but I haven't got a dime to spare.
  • blindfaith Christian 2012/06/23 12:17:04
    blindfaith
    Europe isn't the only trading post, many of the African countries are rich in natural minerals, and their economy is growing faster than Europe or America. We must simply do what we are good at, mining and engineering etc, only move on to other parts of the undeveloped world, for example, give them money to spend, just a thought.
  • DoxieDad 2012/06/23 03:44:16
    Europe can fail and The United States and the world will not be affected.
    DoxieDad
    +1
    The US and the rest of the world should keep their noses out of other peoples business.
  • Kirino 2012/06/23 03:35:01
    None of the above
    Kirino
    +1
    We are breaking up? I really must give them my new address so they can forward me the information.
  • Christian 2012/06/23 03:02:11
    Yes, The United States and the world should do every it can to help the Europ...
    Christian
    The United States and the world owes Europe and both should help with in it means.
  • Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/06/23 02:58:42
    No, The United States should let them break up.
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    Let it fail. Continuously bailing people and corporations and entire Nations out is going to do about as much as a band-aid affixed to a hemorrhaging artery: nothing.

    Read the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion". Its going to happen no matter what we try to do.
  • TuringsChild 2012/06/23 02:45:29
    No, The United States should let them break up.
    TuringsChild
    +3
    HOW THE HELL IS IT ANY OF OUR BUSINESS??? Remember George Washington? What did he say about Foreign Entanglements??????????
  • Christian Turings... 2012/06/23 02:59:37 (edited)
    Christian
    Yes, but he did need the Spanish Navy to hold the English navy back and French troops or he would have lost the war. Also not that it means anything but Washington tried to join the British army and was turned down, this is why he was a General in the Virginia guard.
    In a perfect world no one would need anyone's help.

    I respect and appreciate your comment.
  • Turings... Christian 2012/06/23 03:01:15
    TuringsChild
    +1
    I suspect we paid them back with our help during WWI and WWII.
  • Christian Turings... 2012/06/23 03:03:25
    Christian
    +1
    This is an economic WW2.

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