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Should The Rich Keep Bush Era Tax Breaks? Jon Kyl Says Yes

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Jon Kyl (R-Ariz) is fighting for the rights of Americans truly impacted by the recession. In spite of economic data indicating that the gap between rich and poor has never been greater in the U.S.A, John Kyl has taken a courageous stand against removing Bush era tax cuts on those earning over a quarter of a million dollars a year, even if it means the nation goes further into debt.

Congress has been considering scrapping the Bush era tax breaks because there is no funding to pay for them and they only add to America's growing budget deficit. However John Kyl believes that this isn't a problem. "You should never raise taxes in order to cut taxes. Surely Congress has the authority, and it would be right to -- if we decide we want to cut taxes to spur the economy, not to have to raise taxes in order to offset those costs," he said during an interview with Fox News.

While Kyl fights to keep tax breaks in place for the richest in the country, Republicans continue to stonewall extending unemployment insurance, leaving many middle and lower class Americans laid off during the recession to scrape by on meager savings and the goodwill of other Americans.

This Darwinian approach to economic politics is not garnering many fans among Democrats. “Unpaid for tax cuts for the rich at the expense of working people is the same backward policy Republicans used to put the nation in this hole, and it's the same policy they promise to return to if put in a position of power again,” said Hari Sevugan, DNC press secretary.

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  • DougE 2010/07/13 23:20:31
    Yes. It's not their fault everyone else is poor.
    DougE
    +1
    It ain't that welfare bum on main street that invests in stocks or business that hire the rest of us.
  • Jukebox DougE 2010/07/14 03:47:30
    Jukebox
    Yeah, it's all those working people pumping money into retirement plans.
  • True~Male 2010/07/13 23:14:31
    Yes. It's not their fault everyone else is poor.
    True~Male
    +4
    The rich provide Jobs to all others -- Not only that the Expiration ot the Bush tax cuts will hurt the poor working man too -- So make permanent the tax cuts
  • luigi1-... True~Male 2010/07/13 23:37:49
    luigi1- in god we trust
    +1
    We can kill the goose thay lays the golden egg & have one good meal or we can spare the goose & reap the rewards.

    This administration chose to kill the goose & eat well once.
  • True~Male luigi1-... 2010/07/14 03:19:51
    True~Male
    They need to kill it !!!!!!!!!
  • trentin... luigi1-... 2010/07/14 07:44:46 (edited)
    trentinafur
    Yeah! And why did they go and charge BP $20b for being careless about that deepwater rig?. BP provides JOBS! So what if a few fish die? Doesn't the administration know that BP employs more people AND supports more of our politicians than our gulf coast fishermen do?? GET OFF BUSINESS' BACK, OBAMA! And FINREG?? Friggin Obama wants to put limits on what banks can and cannot do?? Banks need to be FREE to make AS MUCH MONEY as they can...in ANY WAY they can! THAT'S what creates jobs in this country! So, we get an occasional banking crisis, or a Madoff or Enron scandal. Sorry, but HEY - these things are just the price of being FREE and embracing CAPITALISM!! Don't those damn liberals know they are killing the goose that lays the golden eggs with these controls, taxes and penalties?!?!........
  • WGN True~Male 2010/07/15 04:34:09
    WGN
    Sorry, but the very wealthy in this country do not provide any jobs (except to their gardeners). Most of the wealth of the 1,000,000 millionaires in this country comes from investments. These people neither run companies or hire workers. They invest and are leeches on the rest of society.
  • True~Male WGN 2010/07/15 05:42:42
    True~Male
    Boy are you ever barking up the wrong tree or maybe your OUT OF YOUR TREE!!
  • WGN True~Male 2010/07/15 13:11:16
    WGN
    "...Millionaire investors and their wealth managers agree that the current investment environment is one characterized by exuberant markets against the backdrop of a grim geopolitical picture. "Clearly there are some very major risks out there - the risk that war in the Middle East will expand and a major oil disruption will shake the global economy; the risk that China or India could implode. These risks are much more significant than a policy mistake that brings interest rates too high," says Hill. "But we can't simply live in fear of it all. We just have to be very diversified so that we can win whether the markets go up or down."

    They don't work, they invest and that money never gets into the general economy!

    Every tax break returns only $0.27 to the economy, but every dollar in unemployment returns $1.62.
    The wealthy don't have to spend, the poor have to pay their bills, buy food, etc.
    The wealthy invest that extra money.
  • True~Male WGN 2010/07/15 23:40:07
    True~Male
    They invest it in PEOPLE
  • WGN True~Male 2010/07/16 14:37:42
    WGN
    Show some proof of that and I would re consider my position. The facts I have support the opposite.
  • True~Male WGN 2010/07/17 15:30:05
    True~Male
    your facts don't mean diddly squat they are tainted with Socialist agenda
  • WGN True~Male 2010/07/17 19:38:05
    WGN
    Wrong answer. Facts mean a great deal. Those who can't learn from them are forced to repeat their errors in their pitiful lives.
  • trentinafur 2010/07/13 23:14:15 (edited)
    No. Subsidizing the rich while the poor starve is wrong.
    trentinafur
    +5
    Companies are reporting HUGE profits now!! Intel, Apple, Alcoa, CSX. The economy is recovering, and companies - and senior management - are making out like bandits. They have plenty of profits/cash NOW to hire more people - but they are not. Do you think tax cuts will encourage them to hire more? No. They'll let it flow to the bottom line, so their stock options are worth more. Further tipping the % of GDP going to the top 5-10%, while the bottom 90-95% bottom feed. THIS is what the GOP - Kyl, McConnell, Boehner, Bachmann, et al....are FIGHTING FOR!! They are NOT fighting for the vast majority of Americans. Don't buy the SHI* that they are trying to sell as "anti-socialism". They are doing the bidding of BIG OIL, BIG BANKING, and other BIG MONEY INTERESTS. It is so obvious!
  • DougE trentin... 2010/07/13 23:23:52
    DougE
    +3
    yep, and the dems are attacking the market and business. The economy is not in recovery until jobs are created. Obama has threatened just about everyone and vilianized and demonized anyone (Except himself and his cronies who make money) so yes, they are like chipmunks storing for a long winter. Can you blame companies for preparing for hyper inflation? I sure as hell don't. Besides, if you took the time to read who pays the taxes in this country, you might re-think your stance. How much to the rich have to pay for being successful? I for one aspire to be richer, if I'm paying more taxes that means I made more money. (Pre-Obama of course).
  • JCD aka... DougE 2010/07/13 23:39:21
    JCD aka "biz"
    +1
    Yes, we all know that Rand Paul believes that "criticizing Big Business is un-American"; Actually, Jon Kyl + Rand Paul + Sharron Angle + Joe Barton etc. are going to make it very difficult for the GOP to win in November.
  • trentin... JCD aka... 2010/07/14 06:58:45 (edited)
    trentinafur
    +2
    I hope for the sake of this country, you are right. I cannot believe the collective crap that spews from these peoples' mouths. And worse....the number of people who buy it. The GOP put the mouth clamp on Barton for his apology to BP. But only because it's bad politics. The reality is...these guys agree with him! Why? Because it's BP and other oil companies that line their pockets - not the marsh lands of the southern coast, or the fishermen who make a living there. They could give a rats ass about the environment, or the people there.
  • JCD aka... trentin... 2010/07/16 11:48:48
    JCD aka "biz"
    I agree 100%.
  • Annie~P... trentin... 2010/07/23 22:15:56
    Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel
    trent,
    BP is in bed with BO, Bp also gave a ton to BO campaign. How come BO only collected 20B from BP? This figure is a mere drop in the bucket. And, when BP was drilled by the US reps, this was a joke, it was nothing but a dog and pony show. Talk about propaganda.
  • trentin... Annie~P... 2010/07/24 00:23:37
    trentinafur
    AH - see my other response on this topic. $20 billion represents 46% of BP's total cash + marketable securities on their balance sheet. I would not qualify that as a "drop in the bucket" by any means.

    And you must know - the total liability/payout is in no way limited to the $20b. This represents inital funding - that will have to be replenished if legitimate damages exceed $20 billion. You know that - yes?
  • Annie~P... JCD aka... 2010/07/23 22:13:53
    Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel
    Really? Too bad for you, most people don't see it that way biz.
  • trentin... DougE 2010/07/14 07:12:35 (edited)
    trentinafur
    I won't say I disagree. I'll say flat out you are wrong. First - recovery is primarily defined by GDP growth. Hence - the term "jobless recovery". GDP has been positive for several quarters now.

    Second, no country goes from losing over 700,000 jobs per month, to creating jobs overnight. But if you look at a graph of job growth - the monthly job losses had been shrinking almost every month since the Obama admin came into power. THEN - in March and April 2010 - job growth was strongly POSITIVE: adding nearly 500,000 jobs during those months. The graph in the attached article says it all.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly....

    In summary: your perception of what is happening could not be more out of line with what is happening.
  • Skip trentin... 2010/07/14 01:18:10
    Skip
    +1
    Besides the fact that you are a sock-puppett, you need to get an education. You just let a whole lot of crap run out of your mouth and non of it has one thing to do with the other. I'd try and point out all your mistakes but, the entire comment is one big mistake.
  • True~Male Skip 2010/07/14 03:21:40
  • Skip True~Male 2010/07/14 23:18:58
    Skip
    I was responding to trentinafur, are you sure you were replying to the right comment? I'd be happy to answer whatever you ask me. :-)
  • True~Male Skip 2010/07/14 23:22:32
    True~Male
    sORRY , WRONG PERSON
  • Skip True~Male 2010/07/15 04:44:02
    Skip
    I figured such. No problem.
  • True~Male Skip 2010/07/15 05:44:13
    True~Male
    : )
  • trentin... Skip 2010/07/14 06:47:44 (edited)
    trentinafur
    As you can't even spell puppet correctly, it doesn't surprise me that you cannot put the sentences together to express your point of view. Other than saying that, Skippy, your post is not worthy of a response.
  • Skip trentin... 2010/07/15 00:09:19
    Skip
    Wow, I misspelled a word. And that's how you respond? I expected you to at least offer some rational explanation of the garbage you posted. Well, let's see if you can respond to these questions, that is if you can put a cogent thought together.

    "Companies are reporting HUGE profits now!! Intel, Apple, Alcoa, CSX. The economy is recovering, and companies - and senior management - are making out like bandits. They have plenty of profits/cash NOW to hire more people - but they are not."

    The large companies in the U.S. don't necessarily employ the most people. It's small companies that employ more people and since most small companies are Sub "S" Corps. profits or losses pass through to the shareholders 1040. It might be news to you but Sub "S" Corps. don't usually issue stock options. They probably don't even issue stock certificates since ownership is closely held within families or other close relationships.

    The motivation of large or small companies to hire more people isn't related to cash on hand or profits. People are hired when there is more demand for the companies products or services than the company is able to produce. The hard truth is many companies have made changes internally that make them more efficient and consequently more profitable with fewer employees. Obviousl...









    Wow, I misspelled a word. And that's how you respond? I expected you to at least offer some rational explanation of the garbage you posted. Well, let's see if you can respond to these questions, that is if you can put a cogent thought together.

    "Companies are reporting HUGE profits now!! Intel, Apple, Alcoa, CSX. The economy is recovering, and companies - and senior management - are making out like bandits. They have plenty of profits/cash NOW to hire more people - but they are not."

    The large companies in the U.S. don't necessarily employ the most people. It's small companies that employ more people and since most small companies are Sub "S" Corps. profits or losses pass through to the shareholders 1040. It might be news to you but Sub "S" Corps. don't usually issue stock options. They probably don't even issue stock certificates since ownership is closely held within families or other close relationships.

    The motivation of large or small companies to hire more people isn't related to cash on hand or profits. People are hired when there is more demand for the companies products or services than the company is able to produce. The hard truth is many companies have made changes internally that make them more efficient and consequently more profitable with fewer employees. Obviously you have never run a company and don't understand the simple reality that you don't hire more people to be more profitable. This is a fundamental principal, the law of "supply and demand." When the demand goes up and you can't keep up with it, then you hire more employees to keep up with that demand.

    "They'll let it flow to the bottom line, so their stock options are worth more. Further tipping the % of GDP going to the top 5-10%, while the bottom 90-95% bottom feed."

    This is probably one of the most ignorant statements you made. The value of stock options don't affect the GDP. GDP is a calculation of private consumption + investment + government spending + net import/exports. I don't have a clue what you are talking about (and obviously neither do you) when you say "tipping the % of GDP to the top 5-10%, while the bottom 90-95% bottom feed." What the hell does that mean? Don't bother, it doesn't make any sense.

    "THIS is what the GOP - Kyl, McConnell, Boehner, Bachmann, et al....are FIGHTING FOR!! They are NOT fighting for the vast majority of Americans. Don't buy the SHI* that they are trying to sell as "anti-socialism". They are doing the bidding of BIG OIL, BIG BANKING, and other BIG MONEY INTERESTS. It is so obvious!"

    If you are claiming that fighting for capitalism and a free market is "SHI*" you need to know that it is antithesis of socialism. For you to claim that Republicans are "doing the bidding of BIG OIL, BIG BANKING, and other BIG MONEY INTERESTS" then how do you account for the treatment the Obama administration has given these same industries and the contributions these industries has given to Democrats? BP has given more than $3.5 Million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, the largest amount going to Obama, $77,051.00 to be exact. This was the MOST any person received from BP over the 20 years. Do we need to even mention the payback Obama made to the auto unions, AIG, Goldman Sachs, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Citigroup, etc. All of these entities gave huge amounts of money to Obama's campaign.

    So trentinafur, I've given you a few "sentences together" to express my point of view. The real question now is whether you have the intelligence to understand what I've written. But I'm sure you will search hard for a spelling mistake.
    (more)
  • WGN Skip 2010/07/15 04:37:49
    WGN
    Skip, Trentinafur's comment is right on the money. If anything, your comments are that of a "fox news" puppet. Do some research before you spout off with such drivel.
  • Skip WGN 2010/07/15 05:03:02
    Skip
    Fox news has nothing to do with my own business experience. I've been running my own businesses since I was 25 and I'm speaking from knowledge. I find it interesting that I responded to trentinafur with 6 paragraphs of research and you call my response "drivel." You are a joke. What subject do you teach? Metal shop? It sure couldn't be logic or critical thinking. How about you provide evidence that could be discussed in a rational way rather than the weak two sentence statement that said nothing?

    Until you quit teaching socialist propaganda to 10 year olds and actually get a job where you have to work 7 days a week, 12 months a year, you can keep your liberal "the world owes me a living" attitude to yourself.

    I'm curious, why do you think you need to defend trentinafur? Is it because he's incapable of substantiating his load of crap or are you actually one in the same? You are the puppet. You are what is wrong with public schools, you're educated beyond your intelligence.
  • trentin... Skip 2010/07/21 20:04:32
    trentinafur
    "you're educated beyond your intelligence...." :-?

    Hmmm. That's an interesting one, Skippy. I guess it's intended to be an insult. Would the converse therefore be a compliment? "My, my.....aren't YOU undereducated for your intelligence!"

    I don't think I'll be handing that one out. But your comment did make me chuckle.
  • Skip trentin... 2010/07/22 00:00:02
    Skip
    I'm glad I made you chuckle. At least something positive came out of the conversation. :-)
  • Sherloc... trentin... 2010/07/21 18:43:26
  • Annie~P... trentin... 2010/07/23 22:12:14
    Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel
    Actually trent, across America, unemployment is higher this month than last. Who cares if a few of the big corporations are hiring, they can only be milked for taxes by big government for so long. Besides, the bigger these corportations are the more likely messiah BO will take them over in the near future. The big tax bucks are in the private sector with small businesses. In TX we are doing better than most but we are still not a bed of roses here. My better half is a CPA and they have offices all over TX and with 1000% certainly i tell you the economy is still going south. Now with the gulf coast devastation, unemployment is gonna be horrific affecting most of the south. Unions are a huge part of the problem too.
  • luigi1- in god we trust 2010/07/13 23:06:41 (edited)
    Yes. It's not their fault everyone else is poor.
    luigi1- in god we trust
    +4
    Right now, the rich are the ones in best position to create jobs. The feds can only do so much.
    Allow the rich to keep their tax breaks under conditions they are creating jobs. If not, tax 'em.

    Dole out of more entitlements don't create any jobs. When was the last time you heard of a welfare recipient putting people to work?
  • True~Male luigi1-... 2010/07/13 23:15:31
    True~Male
    +4
    ONLY THE RICH CAN GET AMERICA OUT OF THE OBAMA MESS WE ARE IN NOW !!
  • luigi1-... True~Male 2010/07/13 23:31:22
    luigi1- in god we trust
    +1
    They just don't get it in Washington, do they?
  • True~Male luigi1-... 2010/07/14 23:23:06
    True~Male
    +1
    ONLY THE RICH CAN HELP US NOW

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