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Should South Dakota Legalize Killing of Abortion Providers?

SodaHead News 2011/02/16 23:00:00
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The Bible tells us it’s “an eye for an eye.” And in South Dakota, where the majority of the Republican state legislature is adamantly opposed to abortion rights, that Biblical truism may soon become law.

Mother Jones magazine reports that a new law that would legalize murdering abortion providers is one of several measures under consideration in the state that would erect further barriers to women seeking an abortion.

The law that’s being considered by the legislature would expand the definition of “justifiable homicide” to include killings that are intended to prevent harm to a fetus. Reading between the lines, that means that someone who killed an abortion doctor could technically evade prosecution for the crime.

The Republican-backed House Bill 1171, moved out of committee on a 9-3 party line vote and will move on to the state’s GOP-dominated House of Representatives soon.

According to the magazine, “if the bill passes, it could in theory allow a woman's father, mother, son, daughter, or husband to kill anyone who tried to provide that woman an abortion—even if she wanted one.”

A day after the magazine posted its first article on the bill, co-sponsor Rep. Phil Jensen responded to the piece, saying he disagreed with its interpretation of the proposed law’s language.

"This simply is to bring consistency to South Dakota statute as it relates to justifiable homicide," explained Jensen. "If you look at the code, these codes are dealing with illegal acts. Now, abortion is a legal act. So this has got nothing to do with abortion."

After some backlash, Jensen said he would be willing to consider changing some of the bill’s language.

Jensen said the original bill was pitched as a clarification of the state’s justifiable homicide law, which already allows prosecutors to charge people with manslaughter or murder for crimes that result in the death of fetuses. It did not include language related to an “unborn child,” but in a little-noticed hearing an amendment was added that included that wording after a number of right-wing groups testified in favor of the amended version.

The difference, detractors say, is between counting the murder of a pregnant woman as two crimes – which is already permissible in several states – and making the protection of a fetus an affirmative defense against a murder charge.

Vicki Saporta, the president of the National Abortion Federation, the professional association of abortion providers, described the bill as “an invitation to murder abortion providers.” She noted that since 1993, eight doctors have been assassinated at the hands of anti-abortion extremists, and another 17 have been the victims of murder attempts.

Should South Dakota consider making the murder of abortion doctors legal?
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  • Jake M 2011/02/16 23:16:31
    No
    Jake M
    +43
    So apparently in South Dakota, pro-life means you can kill anything EXCEPT a fetus.

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  • EddyGee53 moorrbr... 2011/02/27 00:37:18
    EddyGee53
    +1
    And therein lies the true problem, Do the laws of our nation really represent the will of the people? Do the majority of Americans REALLY believe in killing the unborn simply because our representatives say we do? Are we really as cold and calloused as that doctor who keeps count of the innocent lives he has taken? Are we very far from where the Nazi's were when they started the Jewish genocide? Without Laws there is chaos, without JUSTICE (especially for the helpless unborn) WE ARE ANIMALS!!!
  • moorrbr... EddyGee53 2011/02/27 16:49:07
    moorrbrt1 "In God we Trust"
    No, they don't. More than half our states have trigger laws set into place to re-establish the ban against abortion should roe v wade ever be overturned. Abortion was something forced on us by the federal gov't.
  • EddyGee53 moorrbr... 2011/03/07 02:21:33
    EddyGee53
    +1
    Then it would seem at least some Americans are waking up to the fact that OUR government no longer represents the will of the people, our laws no longer represent our morality, and our representatives are only interested in what is best for THEM! The last time the people of this great nation became aware of such a lack of representation they threw a Tea Party and a NEW nation was born!
  • MattPajor EddyGee53 2011/02/21 16:31:20
    MattPajor
    Only 8% of abortions are because of rape, incest, or health complications. The rest is "inconvenience"
  • MattPajor sensibl... 2011/02/21 16:32:16
    MattPajor
    Only 8% of abortions are because of rape, incest, or health complications. The rest is because of "inconvenience" or "mistake". So even if we only made the the abortion because of rape, incest, or health complications legal. We'd cut 92% of abortions. I'm good with that.
  • AprilSkelton 2011/02/19 01:17:25
    No
    AprilSkelton
    +3
    I believe that God will take care of them in His own way and in His own time.
  • ☆Ed☆ AprilSk... 2011/02/19 01:54:12
    ☆Ed☆
    +1
    I couldn't have said it better April.
  • FlaRep61 2011/02/19 01:16:02
    Yes
    FlaRep61
    +1
    They kill. When the heart beats it is a life. You kill this life. Then you should be held responsible.
  • BigBear FlaRep61 2011/02/19 02:11:02
    BigBear
    Prochoice is the only way dumb bell....
  • MattPajor BigBear 2011/02/21 16:32:44
  • NathanP... FlaRep61 2011/02/19 05:00:50
    NathanPhillips
    If heart beats = life (and therefore something worth a human life), then are you a vegetarian?
  • MattPajor NathanP... 2011/02/21 16:33:29
    MattPajor
    Last time I checked. A human wasn't for eating. Unless you are a cannibal?
  • NathanP... MattPajor 2011/03/27 17:53:44
    NathanPhillips
    I was pointing out that a heartbeat isn't what makes something human. If it were true, it wouldn't be cannibalism to eat a dead person, because they wouldn't be human.
  • MattPajor NathanP... 2011/03/28 00:45:03
    MattPajor
    You know its hard to debate against the liberal side, because your side is just a list of excuses for the immoral things you guys do.
  • NathanP... MattPajor 2011/04/19 06:04:10
    NathanPhillips
    Or maybe you don't actually have good arguments for why your side is moral? I don't have to come up with excuses. You need to prove that liberals are immoral. It's hard for you to debate, because you need more practice.
  • MattPajor NathanP... 2011/04/20 22:46:52
    MattPajor
    50% of women that have abortions suffer immediate trauma, depression tremors and/or stress. 5% of women attempt or commit suicide. and 80% say that once or more in their life they thought and cried by what could've been their child and what they could've done in their life.

    If don't want to be moral to the fetus. At least say the truth about abortion and what it does to most women. The entire argument that abortion is in any shape or form moral to the person getting it is completely invalid.
  • NathanP... MattPajor 2011/04/25 15:34:51
    NathanPhillips
    Where did you obtain these statistics? I find the data implausible. There is no way that someone could have even gotten a good representative sample of women who have had abortions. Even if your statements were true, only about half of all women would have had any kind of immediate trauma, the rest would experience it later in life. Throw up how many mothers experience immediate trauma, depression tremors and/or stress, and you'll have a valid comparison. Good day.
  • sgp81 FlaRep61 2011/02/19 05:31:51
    sgp81
    are that stupid or do you work at this very hard. your are an ignoraqnt moron of the the first magnitud.
  • sensibl... FlaRep61 2011/02/19 06:32:00
    sensiblethoughts
    +1
    Then you're sentencing the killers of the doctors to death too?
  • red 2011/02/19 00:18:15
    Yes
    red
    +1
    if one is ok so is the other they are both the same in my book murder
  • BigBear red 2011/02/19 02:11:46
    BigBear
    abortion isn't murder you moron, the woman has the right to choose....
  • MattPajor BigBear 2011/02/21 16:40:31
  • NathanP... red 2011/02/19 04:59:17
    NathanPhillips
    Can one kill a vegetable?
  • MattPajor NathanP... 2011/02/21 16:36:20
    MattPajor
    You're acting like a douche. Human life, is capable of much. While animals or plants. Live, they follow instincts, and then they die.Unlike humans who have advanced exponencial in the past 2000 years. See the difference???
  • NathanP... MattPajor 2011/03/27 17:58:40
    NathanPhillips
    Yes, I know the difference between humans, other members of the animal kingdom, funji, plants, bacteria, archea, and viruses (although the last three are part of us). You, however, don't seem to see the difference between a fully developed human, which is capable of remarkable things, and a thoughtless piece of tissue that has as many thoughts as a plant does.
  • MattPajor NathanP... 2011/03/28 00:48:58
    MattPajor
    You don't seem to understand the fact that the liberal side is a excuse. Notice how you guys put the time someone becomes human at about 6 months. Well, for one the person hasn't been born yet. So tell me, what is the point where a "piece of tissue" becomes human. Because by your definition a fetus isn't human even if its a day from birth.
  • NathanP... MattPajor 2011/04/19 06:09:59
    NathanPhillips
    You don't seem to understand that the conservative side is an excuse for pushing the Bible on people. You fail to realize that the six month point is a compromise. A two year old isn't capable of full human reasoning, but certainly has more human attributes than a six month old does. A six month gestation fetus has brainwaves and a greater chance of living outside of the womb than a three month gestation fetus. A zygote has no brain, no nervous system, no heart. A zygote is a single human cell. We eat our own body cells all of the time, yet we don't accuse all of mankind of being cannibals. Neuroscience and understanding the brain informs some choices. I happen to trust neuroscience over the Bible.
  • MattPajor NathanP... 2011/04/20 22:54:41
    MattPajor
    Are you trying to imply that all pro-life people are Christian or even Religious in any way shape or form. That long paragraph their only shows that all you think about is the problem in front of you and not what will happen 5, 10, 15 years from now.

    Yes, abortion will get a women out of sticky situation. But don't bs me, that science is more moral then common sense. The moment people find out what abortion is, the majority of people are immediately against it. That is human morality. It is what keeps the majority of people from killing one another. Its the reason that if someone steals your car, a sane person won't go and shoot him.

    When people use euphemisms, and manipulate morality into a messed up version of it, that is when you ignore the facts. For example, you say that a fetus can't survive outside the womb that it is leeching from the mother.

    You are implying that a baby can survive with human intervention. And what about all the children that have been aborted and survived? That shows you that they can in fact survive. You are arguing for murder.
  • NathanP... MattPajor 2011/04/25 15:38:35
    NathanPhillips
    Common sense isn't something that you have defined, so I'm not bs'ing anybody. I also don't see how you can claim that the majority of people are immediately against abortion. I made specific statements about specific gestations while you simply refer to fetus and baby. Are you arguing for ignorance?
  • MattPajor NathanP... 2011/04/26 00:50:19
    MattPajor
    I'm arguing for morality and not excused genocide.
  • NathanP... MattPajor 2011/05/05 06:55:51
    NathanPhillips
    We disagree on what constitutes murder, and we certainly disagree on what constitutes genocide. I'm curious as to the basis of your morality.
  • MattPajor NathanP... 2011/05/05 15:49:45
    MattPajor
    Common Sense.
  • NathanP... MattPajor 2011/05/13 05:48:34
    NathanPhillips
    The disagreements on this site alone indicate that what you are referring to is not common sense.
  • MattPajor NathanP... 2011/05/13 14:48:34
    MattPajor
    Please clarify that statement.
  • NathanP... MattPajor 2011/05/29 03:41:21
    NathanPhillips
    These are not widely agreed upon notions, so it isn't a matter of common sense.
  • NathanP... red 2011/02/19 04:59:45
    NathanPhillips
    More specifically, could one murder a vegetable?
  • sensibl... red 2011/02/19 06:33:43
    sensiblethoughts
    +1
    Then it is an automatic death sentence for those who kill the doctors.
  • sean strummer 2011/02/18 23:49:32
    No
    sean strummer
    The fact that anyone can defined this. and feel there is remote logic be-hide their 'backing' amazes me. No, this isn't right. so, in your mind murder be-get's murder? really? REALLY?
    im pro-choice due to that it's a CHOICE!!!! but to a point, after so many months, then the woman has to deal. also not using abortion as a fourm of birth control.
    But, why educate people when you can scare them into seeing your views
    but, why
  • tncdel sean st... 2011/02/19 00:09:27
    tncdel
    +3
    ALL murderers are "pro-choice." If someone sticks you up and shoots you dead, he made a choice to kill you, same as does a homicidal female who hires a doctor like a mafia hit-man to "off" her kid before birth.

    So if you were on an airplane that was hijacked by an Islamic terrorist who intended to force it to crash into the Washington Monument, from your statement, I take it then that you would be very opposed to a hero shooting the terrorist to save the lives of the passengers.
  • Primo 2011/02/18 23:40:39
    No
    Primo
    +3
    Promoting murder is not a solution to ending abortion.

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