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Should Smokers and the Obese Be Taxed More?

SodaHead Politics 2011/05/31 13:00:00
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In order to continue funding its Medicaid program, Arizona is considering imposing a $50 fee on childless adults on Medicaid who are either obese or who smoke. Is this discrimination or a smart way to keep Medicaid alive?

The issue is this: we can’t keep complaining about the rising cost of health care and not drill down to what that means on the individual level. Maricopa County [where Phoenix is located] has started a program among its employees where smokers have to pay $450 more for health insurance than nonsmokers. They take a swab to detect nicotine. The bottom line is that there’s plenty of evidence and studies that show there is an undeniable link between smoking and obesity and health care costs.

The proposal, which would need federal approval, would not apply to the disabled, the elderly, pregnant women, children, or people with diseases like cancer. It would only impact "able-bodied people who have the capacity to manage their weight."

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  • MichaelJ 2011/05/31 08:29:41
    No
    MichaelJ
    +15
    If they decided to do this, where does it end? I can imagine them taxing people for anything they decide to. An example any activity that can be shown to have a high number of injuries. Want to skate board? Pay the tax! Want to climb a mountain? Pay the tax! Want to bunji jump? pay the tax! When we decide to let others define what we should do and punish any behavior they don't like, there WILL be no end to the number of things they can decide THEY don't like.

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  • Snowman :3 2011/09/29 12:16:49
    No
    Snowman :3
    Most smokers and obese people are eating becasue they can not help it everyone has problems, if thats one of theirs they shouldnt have to pay for it
  • T. James H 2011/07/19 14:42:09
  • Otaku Link 2011/06/16 14:01:07
    No
    Otaku Link
    Let's face it they'll probably die earlier anyway...
  • Emily 2011/06/06 21:28:16
    Yes
    Emily
    it makes sense...I mean they are the ones that actually don't care about their health, and continue doing what is making them unhealthy, like smoking and overeating..
    If they want to smoke that bad, they should suffer the consequences.
  • erdelyi.andras 2011/06/01 21:12:43
    No
    erdelyi.andras
    It would be a kind of discrimination, They have a lot of problem, and pay for cigarette and food and they already are taxed.
  • Kali 2011/06/01 18:07:04
    No
    Kali
    +1
    That is so disrespectful! Its crazy! I honestly cant imagine how the over weight people would feel if there actually was a tax for them. That would make them ashamed and they could fall under a depression which would just make things a lot worse. And smokers are addicted so it is a lot harder for them to just randomly decide their not gunna smoke because of a tax. Yes, this tax may encourage people to change but it would also bring a lot of heart break into their lives as well.
  • Vipor_GG 2011/06/01 15:09:32
    Undecided
    Vipor_GG
    They already are taxed more.
  • lucky 2011/06/01 15:04:18
    No
    lucky
    Pretending that smoking and obesity are the only thing that cause high health care risks is naive. A person who is skinny as a rail and does without food is also a high health risk because they are not getting enough vitamins. People who play sports are more prone to injuries, what about an extra fee for them. High caffeine intake can cause a slew of health problems, whats next coffee drinkers?
  • Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA 2011/06/01 14:56:14
    Undecided
    Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA
    This is part of the problem we run into when we begin treating insurance as a tax and entitlement issue. Were this a private insurance program, no one would have a problem with upcharging the higher risk individuals. You pay for your choices, right?

    Medicare and Medicaid are expected to be funded by the states. States are looking at ways to make the programs feasible, and why not upcharge those with the higher propensity for claims? Because it doesn't involve choice. The 'premiums' are funded via taxation. The obese and the smokers don't have a choice whether or not they choose to purchase the Medicaid or Medicare tax.

    The problem doesn't necessarily lie with upcharging the greater risk folks because of their lifestyle choices, the problem lies in the basic nature of the entitlement program.
  • GLaDOS 2011/06/01 14:52:17
    No
    GLaDOS
    No more than anyone who chooses to participate in any potentially harmful activity...which, in some areas, could include stepping out of your front door.
  • Mack 2011/06/01 14:43:24
    No
    Mack
    So much for "it's a free country"....so when's the "breathing too much oxygen" tax kicking in?
  • dhellew2 2011/06/01 14:35:44
    Yes
    dhellew2
    Both place a burden on the taxpayers so why shouldn't they pay more of their own cost? Both are lifestyle choices they make and I don't feel I should pay any of their costs.
  • stevegtexas@aol.com 2011/06/01 14:28:40 (edited)
    No
    stevegtexas@aol.com
    Nah, smokers and the obese should not be taxed more, (but, i can understand health insurance compnanies charging extra for smokers.... but are smokers sick more often?) Lets face it, obesity might be a disorder, not just the love of food. but, there might be some that just love food and become overweight...... The presidents wife is doing a fine program on kids and their weight and being able to stay fit, but, reality is, not everyone can stay fit, and some people will inevitably be overweight..... according to someone elses opinion or "study". I think what people really want is, "survival".
  • w2xad 2011/06/01 14:06:31
    No
    w2xad
    Discrimination plain and simple!
  • shadow76 2011/06/01 14:04:59
    No
    shadow76
    I think those who keep mwanting to tax people for their behavior should be double taxed themselves. I am tired of these people!
  • Bill G53 ~PWCM~JLA 2011/06/01 14:04:24
    Undecided
    Bill G53  ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Maybe people who don't engage in self-destructive behavior should be given a tax credit instead. It's time we start getting the mindset that the answer is to lower taxes, not raise them.
    engage self-destructive behavior tax credit mindset answer taxes raise lower taxes
  • ILuvMonkeys 2011/06/01 14:02:45
  • stevegt... ILuvMon... 2011/06/01 14:31:30
    stevegtexas@aol.com
    +1
    yep. you might be right...... ??
  • Emily ILuvMon... 2011/06/06 21:30:45
    Emily
    why tax gays?
  • ILuvMon... Emily 2011/06/06 22:17:46
  • Emily ILuvMon... 2011/06/07 14:32:04
    Emily
    ooh...okay..but why homeless people?
  • ILuvMon... Emily 2011/06/07 17:34:59
  • Emily ILuvMon... 2011/06/08 22:17:33
    Emily
    +1
    ohh..right! xD
  • Monolith 2011/06/01 13:54:08
    No
    Monolith
    +2
    Smoking is TAXED out the wazoo already - leave us alone!!!!
  • Tokyo_The_Cat 2011/06/01 12:56:54
    Undecided
    Tokyo_The_Cat
    +1
    Smoking yes, and obesity no.
  • Jd Tokyo_T... 2011/06/01 13:29:00
    Jd
    so choosing to smoke is bad but choosing to be a fatty mcfat fat is all good, huh? twisted logic there bub.
  • Tokyo_T... Jd 2011/06/01 16:32:01
    Tokyo_The_Cat
    No, you can't control whether your born obese or not, but you can help yourself by getting exercise and losing weight, so your thin. But smoking causes cancer, and the fact it's addictive.
  • Jd Tokyo_T... 2011/06/02 10:27:34
    Jd
    so is food, look it up. And some people are born with the pre dispostion to engage in addictive behavior, look that up too. To tax one with out taxing the other is ludacris. Smoking is a choice, yes, and frankly with the price of a pack of cigs today, smokers ARE paying their fair share in taxes. But you dont see all the oompa loompas clogging their hearts up with McDonlads and Church's fried chicken paying more for a two piece and a biscuit...do you?
  • Tokyo_T... Jd 2011/06/02 11:46:01
    Tokyo_The_Cat
    nope
  • Jd Tokyo_T... 2011/06/03 01:05:50
    Jd
    so you are making my point for me
  • Tokyo_T... Jd 2011/06/03 14:36:40 (edited)
    Tokyo_The_Cat
    ギン市丸
    私はあなたがそうしたいのならと言う可能性があると...しか...
  • jakep51 2011/06/01 12:42:02
    No
    jakep51
    +1
    We could go along way towards solving the US debt and deficit by taxing stupid liberal ideas though....or better yet simply tax stupid liberals, since they have this notion that someone needs to be taxed more, let it be them.
  • Scar 2011/06/01 12:18:16
    No
    Scar
    The food manufacturers who load our food with high fructose syrup (made cheaply from government subsidized corn, mind you) and MSG and its derivatives should be required to cover the additional costs for obese people.

    They could consider it an investment in keeping their best customers alive just a bit longer...
  • lawlerskates 2011/06/01 12:04:28
    No
    lawlerskates
    +2
    This is clear discrimination. Smokers already pay more in taxes, pay more in insurance, pay more for almost everything. Obese folks probably buy more food, so they're taxed more too through that......I guess lol
  • Eddie 2011/06/01 12:00:12
    No
    Eddie
    +2
    They already are. Taxes on tobacco already quadrupels the price accross the counter and taxes on food especially restaurant meals increases the price by as much as 15 percent in many areas.
  • Nudenz 2011/06/01 11:51:31
    Undecided
    Nudenz
    I'm not sure. What I am sure of though, is that, if you are overweight and smoke you are an idiot, and asking for trouble.
  • C. C. Rider 2011/06/01 10:48:40
    No
    C. C. Rider
    +1
    It is time to fire the Republican run Ins companies. Thank god for Obama and his health care programs. Just in time for what I can see. republican run ins companies god obama health care programs your fired
  • Yankee Traveler 2011/06/01 10:13:46
    Yes
    Yankee Traveler
    It should cost these people way much more in taxes until they can prove( medical proof) that they are healthier people.
  • bill 2011/06/01 09:24:38
    No
    bill
    Just another way to extort money out of us.
  • santanasmooth 2011/06/01 09:10:04
    Yes
    santanasmooth
    it may never happen but think of the revenue too the medical system
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