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Should people be ashamed to be on welfare programs?

Rusty Shackleford 2012/09/26 13:17:59
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  • GoodEncounter 2012/09/26 13:24:19 (edited)
    No
    GoodEncounter
    +11
    They SHOULD be ashamed if they do NOTHING to help get themselves off welfare programs though. If they become complacent and use it as a retirement plan then YES they SHOULD be ashamed. But if they use it for what it was meant for - Temporary Assistance For Needy Families they have no need to be ashamed. These programs were created to help people who have run into a "speed bump" and need help getting through it. They were NOT created to support people for the rest of their life.

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  • LotusBecca 2012/10/01 11:44:23
    No
    LotusBecca
    Of course not.
  • flrdsgns 2012/09/27 21:26:20
    No
    flrdsgns
    Not if you need it, that's why it's there. There should be a time limit on it though.
  • Evan 2012/09/27 16:29:11
    No
    Evan
    The only people who should be ashamed of being on the dole, are those who are simply exploiting our system. Most people I know on Welfare, are doing their level best to get off of it.
  • jmc07806-PWCM-JLA 2012/09/27 14:35:10
    No
    jmc07806-PWCM-JLA
    If you need it that is what it is their for and I am glad it is. I do not care for the people that game the system and that does hurt the ones that do really need it and put everyone that does need it a bad rep.
  • Link 2012/09/26 23:25:09 (edited)
    Yes
    Link
    +1
    Yes, if they are those many who are sucking down welfare and WIC and housing, etc and choose to not work and help themselves...



    Yes, if they are those who are sucking down the system and working under the table or doing other things like selling drugs to make money...



    Yes, it they are those who are sucking down the system and are living better than those of us who are paying for it...


    Yes, if they are those who are selling their "benefits" for cash to pay for alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, gambling, etc...


    Yes, if they are not using it properly and wisely to feed and house their children but are spending it foolishly on unnecessary things instead of what it was intended for...


    No, if they are truly in a position where they are actually and truthfully unable to work for medical reasons, unable honestly to help themselves...



    No, if it is a temporary set back due to loss of work or onset of a medical situation that is beyond their control, but who will be back on their feet and off the system as soon as they are honestly capable...



    But, there are relatively few of these people compared to the multitudes that fit into the Yes category above...
  • TheTruth1313 2012/09/26 21:32:00
    Yes
    TheTruth1313
    +1
    Though I will concede that there are those that are justified in collecting(such as legitimate disability claims), being on welfare simply is NOT something anyone should be proud of nor strive to live their life doing. Welfare was meant to be a hand up NOT a way of life.
  • Angi 2012/09/26 19:29:47
    No
    Angi
    +1
    Why should they be ashamed? Is it shameful to lose your job, or is shameful to force people on to the dole queues. Why whip the poor, we are going back in time not forward, people want progress not stagnation, and to stigmatise someone because they are on hard times, will ensure they never recover.
  • Rusty S... Angi 2012/09/26 21:43:50
    Rusty Shackleford
    The best way to help the poor is to make them uncomfortable in their poverty.
  • Angi Rusty S... 2012/09/27 21:30:21
    Angi
    +1
    That is just ridiculous poverty is not comfortable. Also your statement sounds like you blame the poor for their own poverty. Statistics show that many homeless people are ex service men, poverty is not as straight forward as you think. But what is straight forward about poverty is it is horrible.
  • Rusty S... Angi 2012/09/27 21:37:07
    Rusty Shackleford
    If you make it easy to be poor, you just end up with more poor people.

    Poverty in the United States is more comfortable than the average lifestyle around the world.
  • Angi Rusty S... 2012/09/27 22:07:43
    Angi
    If you make it easy to be poor? I interpret that to mean that people are forced into poverty.
    When you have to choose between heating and food that is poverty, when you have to make do and have limited education and work prospects that is poverty. Poverty in wealthy countries may not be same as in developing countries, but it is still poverty. What is needed to help people out of poverty is education and prospects and a equal footing for aspirations and talents. It is not just the wealthy who have good ideas. Some people spend most of their life struggling they never get the chances some take for granted.
    They say these days you are a couple of pay packets away from a welfare payment, there is no such thing as a job for life these days. No body who ever they are really wants to be on welfare, no one wants to be dependent on the state, and if they say they do, they have given up or are lying. The thing is some people have no choice and some have limited options they have to claim welfare, I for one are not going to ridicule or blame them for that.
    In the UK at the moment the focus is on people on welfare and demonising people on benefits, and it is obscene. People on disability benefits are being disallowed benefits because some bureaucrat has said they are fit for w...
    If you make it easy to be poor? I interpret that to mean that people are forced into poverty.
    When you have to choose between heating and food that is poverty, when you have to make do and have limited education and work prospects that is poverty. Poverty in wealthy countries may not be same as in developing countries, but it is still poverty. What is needed to help people out of poverty is education and prospects and a equal footing for aspirations and talents. It is not just the wealthy who have good ideas. Some people spend most of their life struggling they never get the chances some take for granted.
    They say these days you are a couple of pay packets away from a welfare payment, there is no such thing as a job for life these days. No body who ever they are really wants to be on welfare, no one wants to be dependent on the state, and if they say they do, they have given up or are lying. The thing is some people have no choice and some have limited options they have to claim welfare, I for one are not going to ridicule or blame them for that.
    In the UK at the moment the focus is on people on welfare and demonising people on benefits, and it is obscene. People on disability benefits are being disallowed benefits because some bureaucrat has said they are fit for work. May be some people can work, but where are the jobs. It is a diversion the Government are picking on a easy target to shift the blame or attention to some where else so people don't focus or get angry with them. But it looks like there tactics are backfiring, the Government are shooting themselves in the foot. Seems people who are poor are a easy target and when you going to hear what the poor think, may be you will hear selective media comments, but seems I am so sick of hearing people bash the poor for being poor, they do that because they have no ideas for helping them. It makes me uncomfortable to hear people describe others by their race or colour as 'those people', why is it ok to talk the same for those from another social class.
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  • Rusty S... Angi 2012/09/28 00:10:24
    Rusty Shackleford
    The poor people in the US are so coddled that many of them are too fat. Do you really think that these people are going hungry?
  • Angi Rusty S... 2012/09/28 12:31:16
    Angi
    +1
    Then improve welfare, don't get rid of it.
    You seem to generalise about the poor, I know that all poor people are not fat. People can be fat but be badly nourished, some of that is to do with cheap foodstuff and ill education.
  • Rusty S... Angi 2012/09/28 12:36:14
    Rusty Shackleford
    Should we regulate what people eat?
  • Angi Rusty S... 2012/09/28 12:38:02
    Angi
    No educate people. Give people options.
  • Rusty S... Angi 2012/09/28 12:42:22
    Rusty Shackleford
    They already receive free education and they have options, yet they choose to be poor.

    As I said, being poor in America is a better lifestyle than most of the world. Many people are happy living off of the labor of others.
  • Angi Rusty S... 2012/09/28 12:46:46 (edited)
    Angi
    +1
    They have free education? Good. I see education as a right, it should not be something you pay for. In actual fact I would go further and say people have a right to a GOOD education!
    You will not have it will you I see poor people working hard, struggling and volunteering. There are those that save the country a huge amount of money caring and looking after sick and disabled people. Not everyone who is poor has given up and is drinking themselves or eating themselves to a early grave.
  • remy Rusty S... 2012/09/28 17:08:32
    remy
    +1
    you're out of your mind~what a loser!
  • jerry 2012/09/26 19:18:13
    Yes
    jerry
    +1
    Do people HAVE to take support sometimes? Absolutely. Should they be proud or even neutral to have to take support? Absolutely not.

    God created work, (carpentry is hard work, and His Son did it), to give man dignity and purpose...to be productive lifts the soul of a human being.

    Able bodies living off others, deep deep down inside feel lesser about themselves by not being productive.

    Good news...in November, we point the ship in the right direction!
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  • Mike 2012/09/26 17:15:53
    No
    Mike
    No, they shouldn't. Welfare is a necessary safety net. They should only feel ashamed if they do nothing within their power to change the situation.
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/09/26 16:49:55
  • remy mk, Sma... 2012/09/28 17:10:41
  • mk, Sma... remy 2012/09/28 18:32:32
  • remy mk, Sma... 2012/09/28 18:34:10
    remy
    +1
    what a shame....for YOU~
  • mk, Sma... remy 2012/09/28 18:42:02
  • remy mk, Sma... 2012/09/28 18:43:32
  • NightRyder 2012/09/26 16:33:55
    No
    NightRyder
    NO! But then there are varibles to the question. Sitution, cause, and effect to mention three.

    Situation; due to inflation, the Idea that the stockmarket will make one rich, and the agenda of the U.S. government must considered. Actually, the reason for many people to be on welfare is the fact that the minum wadge, which is too low to compete with the inflation creating unions and job losses may be the chief reason that many people are forced on to it since 2008.

    When I joined the military at 85 dollars a month (my highest wage was 584 dollars as a sargeant with 6 years in rank), the national poverty level was at 11 t0 12,000 dollars for a single person. Today it is 16,755 dollars on yearly income. The rate today for married couples is 22,695 dollars, which is stated as "after ajustment for inflation".

    Personnel resources ia set at 13,070 dollars for an individual, and 26,695 dollars for married couples. Combined that would be 29,875 dollars, and 49,390 respectively.

    Cause; to this the answer is, an economy melt down. However there is a problem here. If people are losing their jobs, and Gas has raised to over 4 dollars in most places, what kind of math is being used here? well, thats easy to answer, the government, thats who. According to their math the best way to res...

    NO! But then there are varibles to the question. Sitution, cause, and effect to mention three.

    Situation; due to inflation, the Idea that the stockmarket will make one rich, and the agenda of the U.S. government must considered. Actually, the reason for many people to be on welfare is the fact that the minum wadge, which is too low to compete with the inflation creating unions and job losses may be the chief reason that many people are forced on to it since 2008.

    When I joined the military at 85 dollars a month (my highest wage was 584 dollars as a sargeant with 6 years in rank), the national poverty level was at 11 t0 12,000 dollars for a single person. Today it is 16,755 dollars on yearly income. The rate today for married couples is 22,695 dollars, which is stated as "after ajustment for inflation".

    Personnel resources ia set at 13,070 dollars for an individual, and 26,695 dollars for married couples. Combined that would be 29,875 dollars, and 49,390 respectively.

    Cause; to this the answer is, an economy melt down. However there is a problem here. If people are losing their jobs, and Gas has raised to over 4 dollars in most places, what kind of math is being used here? well, thats easy to answer, the government, thats who. According to their math the best way to restore the economy is to raise prices while many, 8 to 10 % (by unemploment checks) has lost their jobs and their income is zero.

    As to Effect; well, if people can't figure that out and fix the problem, they deserve exactly what they get.
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  • Reichstolz 2012/09/26 16:20:29
    Yes
    Reichstolz
    +1
    That includes social security and medicare.
  • dick 2012/09/26 16:16:50
    Yes
    dick
    +1
    Yes they should and they should do their best to get off of it as soon as possible there are way to many people that it is a way of life and you can find second and third generations growing up on it and having babies just to get paid for it!
  • Lulu's Mom 2012/09/26 16:07:00
    No
    Lulu's Mom
    Not if they deserve it.
  • Rusty S... Lulu's Mom 2012/09/26 18:41:19
    Rusty Shackleford
    Under what circumstances does one deserve to receive the property of others?
  • Tennessean 2012/09/26 15:45:38
    Yes
    Tennessean
    +3
    I can remember a time when no self respecting person would accept welfare, and those that did would not admit it.

    It looks like we, as a nation, have accepted a dependence upon government in lieu of indivbidual independence.
  • D D Tennessean 2012/09/26 17:23:23
    D D
    +1
    My dad and mom are old, live off 1 pension and qualify for some discount on their electricity. My dad says absolutely not! They are those self respecting people who will not accept anything.
  • Tennessean D D 2012/09/26 18:29:11
    Tennessean
    +2
    I hope ypu are proud of them.
  • D D Tennessean 2012/09/26 19:39:09
    D D
    +1
    Very proud. Good people.
  • ManBearPig 2012/09/26 15:29:09
    Yes
    ManBearPig
    +2
    should is the key word... for many people it degrades the pride of their work and success and many people take pride seriously

    but there are some people who just dont care and want everything given to them without paying for it
  • Rebel Yell 2012/09/26 14:54:36
    No
    Rebel Yell
    +2
    No one knows when the lightning bolt may stike . Medical emergencies leave thousands bankrupt and in debt. I strongly believe in the welfare and work programs for the able bodied. But too often it's the work part that falls apart. Many have no training program. For many there is no transportation to the new job. Some employers want nothing to do with welfare recepients just as they want nothing to do with ex prisoners. Chicago had a great training program , but then funding was cut. It is an imperfect system.

    Welfare varies from state to state. Most recepients have children. It is a case by case study. A married couple with no children in Texas qualifies for three months only. Contrary to what people believe , illegals do not qualify.
  • Tasine 2012/09/26 14:43:14
    Yes
    Tasine
    +4
    I say "yes" because shame drives people to do more, to be more, to be removed from shame. Some NEED temporary help. NO ONE should be on welfare for the decades we have seen some quite healthy draw from the system, thereby leaving less for the truly needy.

    People today are taught to feel no shame that they are in certain circumstances - that is bad policy because it removes the stigma which is what drives people to become better. If society forgives crime, forgives sloth, forgives laziness, forgives cravenness, then there is no need to rise above those levels, and society falls father and farther down into the abyss which is harder to escape from than most would believe.

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