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Should lying about receiving the Congressional Medal of Honor be illegal?

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  • Ishmael 2012/05/11 19:55:58
    No, it may be ethically wrong to lie but it's protected by the First Amendment
    Ishmael
    +6
    No. But REAL MOH holders should have the right to beat the crap out of anyone who falsely claims to be a holder with no criminal or civil penalties.

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  • Centurion~PWCM~JLA 2012/05/25 02:34:08
    Yes, it falls into a category of speech not protected by the Constitution
    Centurion~PWCM~JLA
    Kind of funny, one of my family members is a Medal of Honor Recipient. He passed away in 1982. There was some fellow going around years ago claiming to have done the acts which this family member did. I learned about it reading Stolen Valor. I heard that the guy was shut down about two years ago but don't know for sure.

    Medal of Honor

    Stolen Valor
  • Stryder 2012/05/19 17:55:58 (edited)
    Yes, it falls into a category of speech not protected by the Constitution
    Stryder
    +1
    It's not free speech. It's fraud. Nice bias in the choices of answers.
  • Kat 2012/05/19 14:06:00 (edited)
    No, it may be ethically wrong to lie but it's protected by the First Amendment
    Kat
    +1
    Freedom of Speech is not freedom to lie, depends on why, if they were trying to buy votes or get something for it, it wouldn't be legal it would be fraud. Real medal holders should be upset, just like real Nobel prize winners should be when frauds get it or claim to.
  • Joe61 2012/05/19 14:03:06
    No, it may be ethically wrong to lie but it's protected by the First Amendment
    Joe61
    +1
    Oh! it's definitely wrong but is not illegal. Unless of course the person making the false claim is trying to use the falsehood as a means of gain, whether a job, wealth or any other area of law considered gaining from a falsehood. Then, it becomes FRAUD!
  • snell/GOD & COUNTRY-zero cl... 2012/05/19 08:09:33 (edited)
    Yes, it falls into a category of speech not protected by the Constitution
    snell/GOD & COUNTRY-zero cliques
    +2
    The person that lies about whether they received the Congressional Medal of Honor is the same coward that lies about everything else in their lives. As far as I can see it IS illegal to lie about that high honor and doing so is to promote oneself or impress high levels and is grounds for dismissal or degradation. It is an ethics violation.
  • gregaj7 2012/05/18 19:33:29
    No, it may be ethically wrong to lie but it's protected by the First Amendment
    gregaj7
    It isn't?
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/05/18 19:31:57
    Yes, it falls into a category of speech not protected by the Constitution
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +2
    Hel-LO-OOOOOOO! It's fraud! It's classic, unadulterated bunco! Pretending to be someone you are not is what fraud is all about.
  • Old Soldier 2012/05/18 19:29:56 (edited)
    Yes, it falls into a category of speech not protected by the Constitution
    Old Soldier
    +2
    In fact, there is such a law, but the "Stolen Valor" law is under attack.

    The federal courts are wrestling with a question of both liberty and patriotism: Does the First Amendment right to free speech protect people who lie about being war heroes?

    At issue is a three-year-old federal law called the Stolen Valor Act that makes it a crime punishable by up to a year in jail to falsely claim to have received a medal from the U.S. military. It is a crime even if the liar makes no effort to profit from his stolen glory.

    Attorneys in Colorado and California are challenging the law on behalf of two men charged, saying the First Amendment protects almost all speech that doesn't hurt someone else. Neither man has been accused by prosecutors of seeking financial gain for himself.

    Maybe I misunderstand the intent of the First Amendment, but I've always been under the impression that it protected political speech. I.e. Congress could make no law which stifled or prohibited political speech. The idea was to prevent the sitting government from essentially outlawing the speech of those who didn't agree with it.

    So how is lying about a medal "political speech"? And why should a lie be protected anyway?

    Of course, it shouldn't.

    So let's trivialize the offense and exaggerate the "problem" shall ...









    In fact, there is such a law, but the "Stolen Valor" law is under attack.

    The federal courts are wrestling with a question of both liberty and patriotism: Does the First Amendment right to free speech protect people who lie about being war heroes?

    At issue is a three-year-old federal law called the Stolen Valor Act that makes it a crime punishable by up to a year in jail to falsely claim to have received a medal from the U.S. military. It is a crime even if the liar makes no effort to profit from his stolen glory.

    Attorneys in Colorado and California are challenging the law on behalf of two men charged, saying the First Amendment protects almost all speech that doesn't hurt someone else. Neither man has been accused by prosecutors of seeking financial gain for himself.

    Maybe I misunderstand the intent of the First Amendment, but I've always been under the impression that it protected political speech. I.e. Congress could make no law which stifled or prohibited political speech. The idea was to prevent the sitting government from essentially outlawing the speech of those who didn't agree with it.

    So how is lying about a medal "political speech"? And why should a lie be protected anyway?

    Of course, it shouldn't.

    So let's trivialize the offense and exaggerate the "problem" shall we?

    Jonathan Turley, a professor at George Washington University Law School who is not involved in the two cases, said the Stolen Valor Act raises serious constitutional questions because it in effect bans bragging or exaggerating about yourself.

    "Half the pickup lines in bars across the country could be criminalized under that concept," he said.

    (Well, I can’t disagree with that, but on another level, this Old Soldier could say; More than half the lines in political elections across the country could be criminalized under that concept. I have yet to meet a politician that has never been caught in a lie of some kind after he enters politics.)

    And can you imagine what this could do to Obama?

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  • Pug For Huck 2012/05/18 11:29:51
    No, it may be ethically wrong to lie but it's protected by the First Amendment
    Pug For Huck
    +2
    What should be illegal is socks asking questions.
  • Denny 2012/05/12 05:35:39
    No, it may be ethically wrong to lie but it's protected by the First Amendment
    Denny
    +1
    Of course instead of a 21 gun salute, we could send in 21 marines to beat the crap out of the A==hole
  • Sgt Major B 2012/05/12 01:18:32
    No, it may be ethically wrong to lie but it's protected by the First Amendment
    Sgt Major B
    +1
    Lying about it is despicable. However, I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution and that includes the 1st Amendment right to free speech.
  • MichaelDillon 2012/05/12 01:04:17
    No, it may be ethically wrong to lie but it's protected by the First Amendment
    MichaelDillon
    +4
    Lying about it is asinine.
    Wearing it without earning it is an ass stomping offence.
  • sjalan 2012/05/11 21:16:09
    Yes, it falls into a category of speech not protected by the Constitution
    sjalan
    +2
    A lie is a lie. Can't get around that.
  • Ishmael 2012/05/11 19:55:58
    No, it may be ethically wrong to lie but it's protected by the First Amendment
    Ishmael
    +6
    No. But REAL MOH holders should have the right to beat the crap out of anyone who falsely claims to be a holder with no criminal or civil penalties.
  • Centuri... Ishmael 2012/05/25 02:32:18
    Centurion~PWCM~JLA
    Unfortunately most of them don't live long enough to do that.

    The one who was claiming the valor of a Medal of Honor Recipient in my family didn't even surface until years after his funeral.
  • Ishmael Centuri... 2012/05/25 02:39:34
    Ishmael
    Then YOU should be able to kick his ass in place of your relative.
  • mike.blu 2012/05/11 18:07:35
    Yes, it falls into a category of speech not protected by the Constitution
    mike.blu
    +2
    Businesses can't lie about their products, people can lie about other people (slander) and professionals can't make false claims about their credentials. Lying should be illegal especially for those in public office. Sadly all politicians lie and their lies can have serious ramifications. I think the penalty for a politician or anyone putting up a political ad should be harsh/severe especially in an election.

    Another group that is shamefully a frequent abuser of the truth is religion. They too should be required to stick to the truth. After all it is their own rule so they should stick to it. If a religion endeavors in politics and/or deception they should lose their tax exempt status.
  • Richard Hungwell AKA Relent... 2012/05/11 17:59:18
    Yes, it falls into a category of speech not protected by the Constitution
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    +1
    I'm not perfectly clear what the law says, It may be legal. But either way that crosses a personal line for me. I think If I caught a person trying to impersonate a CMOH recipient, I would probably clobber them. Those men deserve the utmost respect for their actions.
  • sockpuppet 2012/05/11 17:36:14
    Yes, it falls into a category of speech not protected by the Constitution
    sockpuppet
    +3
    Should fall into the same category as lying about medical credentials or impersonating a police officer.
  • S. Gompers 2012/05/11 17:20:51
    Yes, it falls into a category of speech not protected by the Constitution
    S. Gompers
    +3
    I thought lying about medals and such is illegal.
  • Sgt Maj... S. Gompers 2012/05/12 01:25:38
    Sgt Major B
    +2
    The Stolen Valor Act has been ruled unconstitutional by the 9th Circuit Court and the US District Court for Colorado. The Supreme Court has agreed to consider the validity of the law.
  • S. Gompers Sgt Maj... 2012/05/12 02:45:34
    S. Gompers
    +2
    Hopefully the Sublime Court will see right on this one.

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