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Should Kids Be Attending a Hacker Conference?

Christine Lusey 2011/08/10 19:00:00
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The annual DefCon hacker conference in Las Vegas had some new attendees this year. Very new.

For the first time in the 18-year history of the event, kids and teens aged 8 to 16 were invited to attend.

DefCon celebrates all things hacking: lock-picking, code-cracking, security-defeating - with an eye toward learning and sharing what they know, rather than encouraging or engaging in actual illegal behavior. These are the White Hat hackers.

Kids (who were required to have a parent with them) competed in lock-picking contests and games to find security holes or vulnerabilities in software.

One 10-year-old, only known as CyFi, earned raves for figuring out that by changing the clock on her phone, she could skip ahead in time in some mobile games. And by disconnecting the WiFi, she could defeat the game's attempt to set the time right.

More than ever before, companies and agencies are recruiting hackers or, at the very least, trying to learn all they can from them. According to The Washington Post, representatives from The Department of Defense, NASA, the NSA and the Department of Homeland Security all attended the convention this year.

Read More: http://www.gamepolitics.com/2011/08/09/young-hacke...

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  • Yuki ~ ♦Lion King of PHÆT♦ 2011/08/10 19:48:21
    Yes
    Yuki ~ ♦Lion King of PHÆT♦
    +17
    We're a part of the, "Too much time and not enough money" generation, so we learn to beat the systems.

    I remember the time my parents put a lock on my computer. It would automatically log me out or stop my internet after a certain number of hours. I spent four days sulking about it, and then hacked in, disabled it, uninstalled it, and broke the program disk on the fifth. My finest hour.

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  • anisha.garib 2011/09/06 14:10:59
    Yes
    anisha.garib
    of course!! I wish we had one here!
  • Freddie Reis 2011/08/23 17:53:27
    Yes
    Freddie Reis
    Why not? Lots of future job opportunities. I hear the feds are hiring hackers to foil hackers, especially the Chinese government.
  • Joseph ... Freddie... 2011/09/04 19:47:46
  • Chanty 2011/08/18 19:16:27
    Yes
    Chanty
    +1
    Definitely. It takes some amount of genius to do what these kids are doing. These are the men and women we'll all be working for in twenty years.
  • sammy 2011/08/18 16:13:02
    Yes
    sammy
    yes,it shows how intellectual this kids are and how fast they can easily access and crack sites-Potential security personals...
  • Surya 2011/08/18 15:29:07
    Yes
    Surya
    I would have gone to that thing but i'm too busy now that school's opening

    and only an idiot would actually use that knowledge to steal or something
  • Ebony Flo 2011/08/17 23:35:00
    No
    Ebony Flo
    Little bastards know too much as it is.
  • GaolBlaze 2011/08/16 19:55:02
    No
    GaolBlaze
    I don't think ANYONE should:/
  • GingerBlue2 2011/08/16 17:33:45
    No
    GingerBlue2
    cos bad things come out of that !!!!
  • Ravi Kumar Sharma Sharma 2011/08/16 04:10:50
    No
    Ravi Kumar Sharma Sharma
    JEETNA BHI HO SAKTA HO CHILDREN KO BEGER JANKARI KE COMPUTER SE DOORI BANA KAR RAKHNI CHAIYE
  • mimi 2011/08/15 21:41:10
    No
    mimi
    I don't think so.
  • Genise 2011/08/15 17:51:50
    No
    Genise
    What and why???? What is this world coming to??? They can learn this with out going to a conference, belive me!......
  • a_rando... Genise 2011/08/29 05:44:24
    a_random_guy
    No not really, defcon is in a single world: awesome. It's were some very creative minds come to share and talk about security issues in the day. Most kids probably won't be interested, or have the attention span to learn, but never underestimated gifted or profoundly gifted kids.
  • mavriqk 2011/08/15 13:41:52
    Yes
    mavriqk
    no more dangerous, than learning power tools or chemistry. just because some do bad with the code doesnt make it all evil. If i think so then dont go to Doctors, theres been plenty in history who have donw harm to others... the sciences can be dangerous but hell so is philosophy and religion
  • disclaimer 2011/08/14 05:40:51
  • MariaWade 2011/08/14 01:33:29
    Yes
    MariaWade
    It actually let's companies find all of its security issues and holes in their software, it will help protect a companies interest. Sounds like these kids would have promising future's and is headed for secure jobs.

    If a child can crack your companies security system..........................
  • mavriqk MariaWade 2011/08/15 13:43:26
    mavriqk
    you do your best learning when your young, and what better time to learn the language of the computer
  • MariaWade mavriqk 2011/08/16 18:13:27
    MariaWade
    :)
  • Any 2011/08/14 01:31:37
    Yes
    Any
    Hacking teaches great logic and deductive reasoning. This can be applied in any field and can help kids become more analytic and mindful of their work.
  • AZ Scifi Guy 2011/08/13 21:20:25
    Yes
    AZ Scifi Guy
    I have considered for a long time teaching my children about hacking. Not only how to do it, but how to keep them safe from hackers. Only by knowing how to do it (hacking), can you keep yourself protected in this age of digital information. We play games at the department store to see who can spot the plain clothed security office and which person is the most vulnerable while shopping (like the lady who leaves her purse in the cart and walks 1/2 way down the isle to look at something).
  • deerichards 2011/08/13 18:31:09
    Yes
    deerichards
    It is a very good way to discourage the illegal activities (as long as DefCon is being truthful) and promote skills that will be helpful in the future. The parents have the right to take their kids to the conference. DefCon requires parents with them which is to their credit.
  • bbwolf35 2011/08/13 18:09:10 (edited)
    No
    bbwolf35
    Ok...yes. But only if I can hire one of them to adjust my credit rating.
  • gidianedwards97 2011/08/13 06:12:20
    No
    gidianedwards97
    no no no
  • Jazmine Ramirez 2011/08/13 05:54:49 (edited)
    Yes
    Jazmine Ramirez
    YEA !!!!!!!!! whats wrong with it ITLL SHOW THEM NOT TO DO IT AGAIN when they do it as a kid they wont do it again :) unless they have fun ya they prob do it again but theres a leson in there some were yea wrong sh kid fun ya prob leson kids on laptops
  • Andrew 2011/08/13 03:43:54
    No
    Andrew
    I don't think so.
  • lunatic 2011/08/13 02:35:45
    Yes
    lunatic
    except younger ones o.o
  • CサïCサï xχx 2011/08/12 23:16:47
    Undecided
    CサïCサï xχx
    i would think this would encourage them to be criminals. but i guess, maybe you could put them to good use, like in the military or something.
  • lunatic CサïCサï xχx 2011/08/13 02:36:55
    lunatic
    +1
    sounds reasonable
  • DD CサïCサï xχx 2011/08/14 00:38:50
    DD
    +1
    i agree
  • Nick 2011/08/12 20:37:26
    Yes
    Nick
    Love to go to the conference.
  • Robert Morgan 2011/08/12 17:25:08 (edited)
    Yes
    Robert Morgan
    +3
    I would much rather see kids exposed to hacking as a skill for good, rather than discovering malicious hacking on their own. It is much the same as firearms training: children taught proper firearms handling and safety at a young age get that positive experience that really helps develop the respect needed to be safe later on.

    I would much rather expose my children to the skills of dedicated White Hats, where they can learn the proper respect for the art, rather than them becoming malicious script kiddies or those Anonymous/LulzSec dark side destructive bastards.

    In the end, it's all about respect.

    Also keep in mind that our only real rival in cyberspace these days, China, is systematically and formally training their children to hack US systems in grade school as a state-sponsored national security initiative. They're raising an entire generation of millions of kids who have been taught nothing but hate for the US, coupled with the requisite skills to utterly destroy us. In that light, why aren't we making digital security training mandatory in our schools as well. As is, we are defenseless, and I don't like that idea.
  • wilsonmja 2011/08/12 16:06:15
    Yes
    wilsonmja
    It's important that hackers exist. You have to have them to keep things balanced.
  • the wizz 2011/08/12 16:00:39
    No
    the wizz
    What the F--k !! Now we're creating future criminals of the world and making them out to be hero,s I think every hacker caught should have their hands cut off !! Their the ones behind internet fraud !! As for lock picking, please feel free to pick my house doors locks. I have an Expert 45, Marksmen M16 medal/rating AND I,m sniper rated and I WILL SHOOT YOUR ASS DEAD THE MINUTE YOU BEGIN TO OPEN MY DOOR !! I also have an no release auto lock inner / outer airlock door system that will trap anyone who enters my house with a sleep gas vent system for when I,m not home. In Florida this is all legal. If you survive, I,ll make your life a living hell you deserve !! Defcon says it all, convict,s in the making. A vast Majority of people are fed up with hackers and it wont be long till hackers find out just how much !! WE make the laws and we are coming after you a--h--ls !!
  • Robert ... the wizz 2011/08/12 17:41:16 (edited)
    Robert Morgan
    +4
    "CON stands for convention and DEF stands for the number 3 on a telephone, a reference to phone phreakers."

    No convicts. The people attending this conference are the people you should be praising, as they are the ones defending people like you against the hackers you despise so much. They are the White Hats protecting you from the Black Hats.
    And from their perspective, all your imposing physical security is already basically useless and defeated, because the above comment proves you have an internet-connected machine in your home.....a big, bright neon digital welcome mat. Stealing your identity info is worth immeasurably more to a malicious hacker than anything you could possibly have in your home.
    There are also the implications of your elaborate physical security, mainly that you must have something quite valuable and worth stealing to go to such James Bond-like overboard measures to protect it; congratulations, you've managed to make yourself a juicy target for criminals, while simultaneously alienating those trying to stop them from attacking you.
    You'd be much safer using your super-house as a decoy, a distraction, and burying anything valuable you have in the backyard, as no one would look there....
  • Runaway the wizz 2011/08/13 16:17:28
    Runaway
    Some of the world's most famous hackers include Bill Gates, Linus Torvalds, and Steve Jobs. Get a clue - or better yet, don't voice an opinion on a subject of which you are totally ignorant.

    Few - VERY few - hackers are so ignorant! Script kiddies, yes, but hackers, no.
  • Aksana 2011/08/12 15:31:26
    No
    Aksana
    Hell no
  • tikiteek 2011/08/12 15:30:38
    No
    tikiteek
    +1
    Don't you think the kids are doing enough of that already?
  • Cold Warrior 2011/08/12 14:44:47
    No
    Cold Warrior
    +1
    No. Whats next? Attending a sex abuse conference? Pedophile seminar? Theft and robbery symposium?

    What does this teach kids??? Its cool to have no respect for yourself or others and do what ever you want regardless of the legality or consequences.
  • Robert ... Cold Wa... 2011/08/12 17:51:02
    Robert Morgan
    Actually taking your kids to meet with the entire industry trying to apply their skills to stop malicious hacking seems like a great way to instill in them respect for the art.
    They learn to use what would be criminal skills in malicious hands for the good of stopping those who would act with malice.
    There is no such thing as 'good' or 'bad' as far as knowledge and skills are concerned. What matters is the context of their use. This conference is for the good guys, and as such children should be exposed to it because it teaches them those skills come with responsibility.
    OR, you could tell your kids "NO!" which will of course inspire them to defy you, then they'll inevitably find a place to fit in, such as a criminal hacking enterprise like WikiLeaks, Anonymous, LulzSec, AntiSec, or any other of a dozen malicious groups, all because they never saw anyone use their skills for good. Why deny kids positive role models? There is no reason.
  • YO Cold Wa... 2011/08/31 09:00:25
    YO
    As you read all the replies, you learn a different logic to this. I thought the same thing at first, 'What next? teach them how to make bombs/explosives using commom household chemicals? If Mom grounds Jr.,or if the neighborhood kid,or dog upsets him they'll get put in the ground?' After reading more replies, I think differently. Like the gun safety example. a piece of steel, weighing a few pounds, if used wrong can take lives, and put the user in jail for a long time,or the chair. If used right as in hunting, can put food on the table, or defend you against wild animals.
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