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Should Israel be forced to cut itself in half AGAIN?

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Both modern day Israel and Jordan were part of the British Mandate of Palestine and they were both originally set aside by international authorities to become a Jewish State. At the San Remo Conference in 1920 the League of Nations decided to cut up this land and gave the land east of the Jordan River (modern-day Jordan) to the Arab population living under the Mandate, more than 75% of the Jewish National Homeland!

Now, there is international pressure for Israel to cut up even more of its land and give away the historically and religiously important regions of Judea and Samaria, which make up 22% of the current map of Israel. Should the Jewish Nation agree to this, Israel will encompass the ret dot on the map of the Middle East below. There are 22 Arab Muslim countries. There is just one Jewish country and people keep cutting it in half! Is this just?

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  • Susanne DeWitt 2012/07/02 19:42:51
    No
    Susanne DeWitt
    +12
    Israel is a tiny country of which half is desert. Israel is the state for the Jews. We must have a safe and secure Israel and not lose one inch. It is a democracy and has many non-Jewish citizens.
    Sanne DeWitt

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  • Malachi Zeruke 2012/07/11 21:21:32
    Malachi
    Praise be the God of Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob!! the Jewish people are reclaiming the land God promised their ancestors!!! Isn't God good!! he keeps his promises!!!after 2,ooo years, he's bringing his people back from the four corners of the world!! May 14,1948!!! God bless israel
  • no no 2012/07/02 21:41:19 (edited)
    No
    no no
    +2
    With the amount of aid, political, military and other support, it could very well be the 51st state. It is apparent , under the geographical circumstances, and its present boundaries, the tiny country could not have existed without the aid and sanction of the US. Blame the British, they screwed up most of the region with their colonization and no subsequent sound plan for decolonization. Set forth a plan, stick with it, agree to what it is, and to hell with those that defy whatever the plan it, otherwise this will be a never ending story.

    And as an aside,about the land and about the chosen people. It would be folly for the individuals who penned the scriptures and stories contained therein that represented a people not to select themselves and a given geographical land mass as the people and land given to them by their chosen god. Simply foolish not to have done so.
  • Zeruke 2012/07/02 21:34:51 (edited)
    No
    Zeruke
    +2
    its up to Israel since its a sovereign nation

    edit::: now of course right now Israel doesn't seem completely sovereign since the US has been in Israel for a long time and there is no sight of the US ever leaving since politicians think the US has the right to be the police force of the world while at the same time not trying to fix things at home like the economy
  • Freeranger 2012/07/02 21:34:41
    No
    Freeranger
    +3
    Absolutely not! I support Israel...
  • Alexander T Steward 2012/07/02 21:34:20
  • Ken 2012/07/02 21:32:10
    No
    Ken
    +2
    Never.
  • Ken 2012/07/02 21:31:07
    No
    Ken
    +2
    Since most of the residents of the West Bank have never lived under Jordanian rule, they should not be forced to become part of Jordan. Since most of the residents in the Gaza Strip have never lived under Egyptian rule, they should not be forced to become part of Egypt. Bottom line, the only government that has ever ruled over the residents of the West Bank and Gaza has been Israel. Therefore they should become Israeli citizens with full citizenship rights.

    If Israel does not wish to grant them full citizenship rights, it must withdraw to the 1967 borders and give these people the right of self determination. Prior to Israeli withdrawal, 1) Jewish settlers should be given the option of remaining on their land or abandoning their homes. 2) The residents, including those Jewish settlers who decide to stay, should be permitted to choose by vote among the following options, a) form two nations, one on the West Bank and one in Gaza; b) form one nation consisting of the West Bank and Gaza; or c) Annex the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt.3) If residents chose option b or c, districts should be defined of approximately equal size; representatives should be elected from each district to represent that district in Constitutional Convention(s). This constitutional conventio...



    Since most of the residents of the West Bank have never lived under Jordanian rule, they should not be forced to become part of Jordan. Since most of the residents in the Gaza Strip have never lived under Egyptian rule, they should not be forced to become part of Egypt. Bottom line, the only government that has ever ruled over the residents of the West Bank and Gaza has been Israel. Therefore they should become Israeli citizens with full citizenship rights.

    If Israel does not wish to grant them full citizenship rights, it must withdraw to the 1967 borders and give these people the right of self determination. Prior to Israeli withdrawal, 1) Jewish settlers should be given the option of remaining on their land or abandoning their homes. 2) The residents, including those Jewish settlers who decide to stay, should be permitted to choose by vote among the following options, a) form two nations, one on the West Bank and one in Gaza; b) form one nation consisting of the West Bank and Gaza; or c) Annex the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt.3) If residents chose option b or c, districts should be defined of approximately equal size; representatives should be elected from each district to represent that district in Constitutional Convention(s). This constitutional convention should define how the new nation will be governed, i.e., the Constitution and after establishing the constitution, the process for IDF withdrawal. The IDF would continue to maintain security until the constitution was ratified after which it should withdraw as specified by the constitutional convention.

    While the last clause places a burden on IDF, it seems reasonable since Israel had first choice about whether it wanted the rights and responsibilities associated with governing this territory it has occupied for 45 years and counting. If it doesn't want the rights and responsibilities of governing these people, it has had 45 years to negotiate withdrawal and there is not reason to believe future negotiations will be any more successful than those of the past.

    Bottom line Israel has no claim to rule territory if it is unwilling to provide the residents with representation.
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  • Charles E 2012/07/02 21:26:49
    No
    Charles E
    Palestine should be restored to all it's lands.
  • Che Guevara - Hero 2012/07/02 21:26:00
    Yes
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +4
    YES, Israel is a Criminal Regime.
    free palestine
  • Charles E Che Gue... 2012/07/02 21:28:02
    Charles E
    One subject we seem to agree on.
  • sandra.... Che Gue... 2012/07/04 16:26:23
    sandra.hemmes
    Good. It is about time they defend themselves and be pro-active about it. And, in this world, Palistinians, Muslims, Islamic folks all live in peace in Israel, something that the Prime Minister spoke of proudly.
  • zitamay sandra.... 2012/07/14 00:19:45
    zitamay
    Muslims will never accept Jews even if they would give it all up they would still want more...it's really not about or not just about the territory....
  • Deborah Donnison 2012/07/02 21:25:47
    Undecided
    Deborah Donnison
    "Israel was formed as a modern state in 1948. The nation was founded as the result of the Zionist movement, an effort to establish an independent Jewish homeland, which began in the 1890s. Zionists sought a solution for diaspora (dispersion of Jews around the world) and anti-Semitism (the hatred of Jews). After World War II (1939–45), the United Nations (an organization that promotes international peace and democracy) created a special committee to address British control of Palestine. Palestine is the region in the Middle East (southwest Asia) that borders the Mediterranean Sea to the west, Lebanon to the north, Syria and Jordan to the east, and Egypt (the Sinai Peninsula) to the southwest; the narrow piece of land comes to a point in the south, where it fronts the Gulf of Aqaba. In November 1947, the United Nations carved Israel out of the Palestine region; areas of Palestine not designated as Israel were divided among neighboring Arab countries. The result was nearly two years of fighting between Israelis and Arabs in the region. Although new boundaries among the various states were determined in 1949, fighting continued with the Arab-Israeli wars of 1956, 1967, 1973–1974, and 1982. Unrest prevailed into the 1980s and the 1990s until the two sides began discussions to resol...

    "Israel was formed as a modern state in 1948. The nation was founded as the result of the Zionist movement, an effort to establish an independent Jewish homeland, which began in the 1890s. Zionists sought a solution for diaspora (dispersion of Jews around the world) and anti-Semitism (the hatred of Jews). After World War II (1939–45), the United Nations (an organization that promotes international peace and democracy) created a special committee to address British control of Palestine. Palestine is the region in the Middle East (southwest Asia) that borders the Mediterranean Sea to the west, Lebanon to the north, Syria and Jordan to the east, and Egypt (the Sinai Peninsula) to the southwest; the narrow piece of land comes to a point in the south, where it fronts the Gulf of Aqaba. In November 1947, the United Nations carved Israel out of the Palestine region; areas of Palestine not designated as Israel were divided among neighboring Arab countries. The result was nearly two years of fighting between Israelis and Arabs in the region. Although new boundaries among the various states were determined in 1949, fighting continued with the Arab-Israeli wars of 1956, 1967, 1973–1974, and 1982. Unrest prevailed into the 1980s and the 1990s until the two sides began discussions to resolve the long conflict" This came from enotes.com.

    So, it appears to me that the boundaries were established in 1949 and have not changed, at least not 75% cut off. One way or the other...I really have no opinion on the matter...I don't know enough about the whole issue to form an opinion.
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  • sandra.... Deborah... 2012/07/04 16:30:41
    sandra.hemmes
    +1
    Ignorance accounts for lots of wars. These people fight and kill their own relatives. Back in time, the Jewish people's favorite place to live was Arabia. They were pushed out of their homes by abuse of the leaders. What is a fact is that LOVE works in strange ways: people in the same areas fall in love with other people of different religions and beliefs, marry, have children. These people that are fighting are all related somehow from thousands of years of relations with one another producing babies. HELLO out there.
  • Waldorf 2012/07/02 21:18:13 (edited)
    No
    Waldorf
    +1
    You don't "force" Israel to do anything.
  • Mary Ann 2012/07/02 21:02:55
    No
    Mary Ann
    It still wont bring peace.
  • Ron 2012/07/02 21:02:32
    Yes
    Ron
    +1
    What is with the right wingers of the world? Why are they so narrow minded? Why do they only look at life from their prejudiced point of view? Isn’t what the Jews of Israel are doing to the Palestinians just what the Nazi’s did to the Jews but on a lesser scale? Aren’t the Jews of Israel denying the Palestinians a chance at a peaceful life by their occupation of the land that the Palestinians have lived on? Why don’t the Jews of Israel realize that if they were to leave the West Bank and let the Palestinians have their own state that then the Palestinians would let the Jews of Israel live in peace? Aren’t the Jews of Israel using this occupation of the West Bank and the aggravation that it causes as an excuse to continue the occupation? Why are we Americans blindly supporting Israel while it continues since 1972, with America’s help, to forcefully occupy the Palestinian’s land and makes them live in poverty? Why is it that ONLY the Democratic presidents like Carter, Clinton and Obama are the only presidents who try to solve this Israeli and Palestinian conflict while ALL of the Republican presidents like Reagan, Bush sr., Bush jr. and now want to be president Romney have instigated and inflamed more conflict? Why do right wingers show so much disdain and hate for President Oba...

    What is with the right wingers of the world? Why are they so narrow minded? Why do they only look at life from their prejudiced point of view? Isn’t what the Jews of Israel are doing to the Palestinians just what the Nazi’s did to the Jews but on a lesser scale? Aren’t the Jews of Israel denying the Palestinians a chance at a peaceful life by their occupation of the land that the Palestinians have lived on? Why don’t the Jews of Israel realize that if they were to leave the West Bank and let the Palestinians have their own state that then the Palestinians would let the Jews of Israel live in peace? Aren’t the Jews of Israel using this occupation of the West Bank and the aggravation that it causes as an excuse to continue the occupation? Why are we Americans blindly supporting Israel while it continues since 1972, with America’s help, to forcefully occupy the Palestinian’s land and makes them live in poverty? Why is it that ONLY the Democratic presidents like Carter, Clinton and Obama are the only presidents who try to solve this Israeli and Palestinian conflict while ALL of the Republican presidents like Reagan, Bush sr., Bush jr. and now want to be president Romney have instigated and inflamed more conflict? Why do right wingers show so much disdain and hate for President Obama and yet try to pass themselves off as Christians? Why does the religious right support the Republican Party when it shows so much hate and posses such war monger attitudes? Israel and America’s right wingers, put yourself in the Palestinian’s shoes and ask yourself what would you do in their circumstance? The holocaust never ended, it just has different players! Now the Jewish people are the ones who are causing a holocaust for the Palestinians.It’s time for this madness to stop!!! It has been going on for much too long. We ALL have to do something to get a State of Palestine created. Here is the plan to get the State of Palestine created.
    First we are going to make Israel and All of the Jews of the world want to create peace by creating the state of Palestine. We are going to do this by boycotting ALL Jewish owned businesses, Jewish doctors, Jewish dentists, Jewish lawyers, Jewish accountants and all other Jewish professionals. Also we are going to stop doing business with ALL Jewish landlords. This action will make the Jews want to immediately want to make peace with the Palestinians.
    Then we must get the oil producing countries to join in this effort of creating peace in the Middle East. We are asking All of the oil producing nations to agree to lower the price of oil at the gas pump by about a dollar a gallon if the world helps force Israel create the State of Palestine. This action would encourage everybody in the world to join in the effort to get a State of Palestine created.
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  • Mary Ann Ron 2012/07/02 21:06:00
    Mary Ann
    +2
    You are so full prejudice and hate, replace right wingers with liberals and Obama with Bush....and you have yourself a hateful ignorant man.
  • Bud Smith Mary Ann 2012/07/02 21:26:05
    Bud Smith
    Mary Ann your definition fits you perfectly!
  • Mary Ann Bud Smith 2012/07/07 20:16:17 (edited)
    Mary Ann
    my reply still stands Ron, you'rE a racist bigot - PERFECTLY!!!!!!
  • sandra.hemmes 2012/07/02 20:48:21
    No
    sandra.hemmes
    Think of this using an example of your own house on your acre of land. Then, think about all the rebel neighbors that want to take some of my land. Screw them. Fight back and hold your ground.
  • bobby sandra.... 2012/07/02 21:19:58
    bobby
    +1
    Think of the Palestinian as the house keeper, with an imposed Israeli housemate then claiming ownership of the house.
  • Mr. T 2012/07/02 20:44:16
    Undecided
    Mr. T
    +3
    God is going to take care of Israel, make no mistake about this. "Oh ye of little faith".
  • Kingarthurup 2012/07/02 20:40:40
    No
    Kingarthurup
    +1
    It is hilarious how liberals in the white house and congress attack Israel in act and in deed and yet the jews still support Odumba...LOL... Wow...

    "Liberals aren't ignorant, it is just that so much of what they know isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
  • Rubyking 2012/07/02 20:37:56
    No
    Rubyking
    +2
    let the borders be
  • Nadrasta 2012/07/02 20:37:55
    Yes
    Nadrasta
    +5
    They should give back all the land they stole from the Palestinian people.
  • zitamay Nadrasta 2012/07/02 20:38:58
    zitamay
    Who stole what? And when????
  • Nadrasta zitamay 2012/07/02 20:45:01
    Nadrasta
    +1
    During the Zionist movement when they all decided they wanted their own state and decided to colonize Palestine, resulting in millions of Palestinian refugees who now have no place to go.
  • zitamay Nadrasta 2012/07/02 20:50:03
    zitamay
    Did you learn history?
  • Anonymo... zitamay 2012/07/02 20:52:06
    Anonymouse ~superdoge~
    +2
    I'm guessing we both did. The land was taken from the Palestinians by force and given to the Jews, and they have gradually taken more and more of it...
  • crimsonian zitamay 2012/07/02 21:04:21
    crimsonian
    +1
    You speak of history as a single thread -- I see history as multi-threaded. There are multiple versions of history that may both accurately describe what happened while still contradicting one-another. I'm not saying that either of you are right or wrong, but one thing is for certain, this article is biased and does not give a full picture either :)
  • Nadrasta zitamay 2012/07/02 21:21:40
    Nadrasta
    Did you? Or do you get all your information from the biased media?
  • zitamay Nadrasta 2012/07/14 00:15:11
    zitamay
    Well...I hold a Masters Degree in History...and when I ask you about history I didn't necessary mean the XXth century. Also, I did not express my opinion I simply asked a question...
  • Nadrasta zitamay 2012/07/14 05:00:53
    Nadrasta
    I realized that when you stated it however it is not relevant to the current situation. Just because they were invaded by Arabs thousands of years ago doesn't give them the right to mistreat them today. If everyone thought like that we'd all be enemies.
  • sandra.... Nadrasta 2012/07/04 16:34:08
    sandra.hemmes
    +1
    O My God: "No place to go?" That is ignorant. Look at the world map. Dha.
  • Nadrasta sandra.... 2012/07/05 00:02:40
    Nadrasta
    How is that ignorant? It's the truth. There are millions of Palestinian refugees. Sure there are neighboring countries they have taken refuge in at the time being but they are not permanent residents of those countries. You also can't expect those countries to just welcome a million or so citizens into their country overnight especially when they have their own citizens to tend to. Of course there wouldn't have been a refugee problem if the Israeli government didn't start colonizing the land given to the Palestinians and giving the land over to Israeli settlers.
  • derek 2012/07/02 20:37:50
    No
    derek
    +5
    Hell no, and I hope to see the Israeli's make an example of all of those threatening fks very soon, just like they have time and time again.. Israel is armed to the teeth God bless em.. Obama certainly doesn't speak for most Americans.. Go Israel!
  • Warren ... derek 2012/07/02 20:45:07
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +2
    Go Israel? Maybe you should find a different spectator sport to become a fan of, like basketball or professional wrestling.
  • derek Warren ... 2012/07/02 22:08:48 (edited)
    derek
    +3
    Go Israel that's what I said. I support Israel 100% and so does God. You can stick all your "progressive" bs up your @ss. Funny that your "progressive" beliefs never lead to any real "progress" or anything positive at all for anyone except of course.. other loser progressives.....
  • Warren ... derek 2012/07/02 22:18:32 (edited)
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +1
    Yes, please stick to professional wrestling or some other meaningless diversion if you want a team to root for.

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