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Should Israel be forced to cut itself in half AGAIN?

Step Up For Israel 2012/07/02 17:49:57
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Both modern day Israel and Jordan were part of the British Mandate of Palestine and they were both originally set aside by international authorities to become a Jewish State. At the San Remo Conference in 1920 the League of Nations decided to cut up this land and gave the land east of the Jordan River (modern-day Jordan) to the Arab population living under the Mandate, more than 75% of the Jewish National Homeland!

Now, there is international pressure for Israel to cut up even more of its land and give away the historically and religiously important regions of Judea and Samaria, which make up 22% of the current map of Israel. Should the Jewish Nation agree to this, Israel will encompass the ret dot on the map of the Middle East below. There are 22 Arab Muslim countries. There is just one Jewish country and people keep cutting it in half! Is this just?

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  • Susanne DeWitt 2012/07/02 19:42:51
    No
    Susanne DeWitt
    +12
    Israel is a tiny country of which half is desert. Israel is the state for the Jews. We must have a safe and secure Israel and not lose one inch. It is a democracy and has many non-Jewish citizens.
    Sanne DeWitt

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  • miranda monet 2012/07/03 23:36:26
    No
    miranda monet
    NO ! It's just like saying " Should the Tea Party replace the Republican party ? Example Democrat & Teaparty ( not republicans) on the ticket . That's just assinine !!!
  • Riobhca 2012/07/03 18:22:50 (edited)
    No
    Riobhca
    It's ridiculous and absurd to expect them to do so. The Palestinians' home is in Jordan, not Israel. If Israel is made that narrow it will be indefensible. Already they have relinquished the Sinai and Gaza, and what happened? A terrorist area sprung up in their backyard. It would be craziness for them to give away any more of their nation.
  • Erik Zimerman 2012/07/03 18:11:02
    No
    Erik Zimerman
    +1
    There is no "solution" to the conflict, there is victory or defeat. The Arabs are not confused, they wish to win and take the single tiny only Jewish state in the world. Thankfully, they do not yet have the strength to do so, but Israel (forced on by world opinion) refuses to win, and so the conflict drags on.

    It will end when Israel finally chooses to exist as other nations do, by the merit of its own strength, and chooses victory, or as its power and moral authority slowly decays as the Arabs grain ground and they throw the last Jew out into the sea on the beaches of Tel-Aviv.

    The rest of the world meanwhile, would do well to stop pressuring Israel to further and further surrenders, or at least actually learn the details of the conflict before commenting. Israel never pressures the US to give any of the massive continent in conquered back to anyone.
  • JOHN CRAIN Erik Zi... 2012/07/09 03:23:49 (edited)
    JOHN CRAIN
    +1
    VERY well put, Erik. Straight to the guts of the issue, completely unsugarcoated, totally without hypocrisy. A great piece illustrating the law of nature: ie survival of the fittest.

    For anybody even dimly aware of U S history, the phrase: "Manifest Destiny",by which the original 13 colonies, expanded westward and eventually occupied all the land, from "sea to shining sea", was accomplished , in many cases, by the brutal elimination of the native populations. Should the USA, now partition itself back into an "original" configuration?
    Sure, I can just see all the Malibu residents, lovingly giving up their beachfront manses to the "original" owners of L A county. After all, these structures are part of "illegal settlements".

    But, this should not even be a point in contention. The Israelites were defeated in battle and expelled from Judea and Samaria. Forget the Balfour declaration; The Israelites have, by dint of politics and battle returned to reclaim, just a fraction, of what was theirs. Deal with it arabs; you, and others, started it centuries ago.

    PS: Just remember, the "SAMSON OPTION", arabs, before you get too frisky. Israel is the only mid east power to have hundreds of thermo nukes. If they determine, it's curtains; it's curtains for EVERYBODY. (ie: nuclear winter)
  • unicorns vs narwhals 2012/07/03 17:26:06
    No
    unicorns vs narwhals
    +1
    Ofcourse I don't think anybody should be forced to do anything against their will.
  • None of your business 2012/07/03 16:45:23
  • D S 2012/07/03 15:57:16 (edited)
    No
    D S
    Every summer in Maine, for the past 20 years...
    http://vimeo.com/33804381
  • Sheila 2012/07/03 14:47:30
    No
    Sheila
    +1
    God gave ot to isreal,
  • charles nelson 2012/07/03 14:08:59
    No
    charles nelson
    Of course not, but to keep the peace, as usual thought is necessary. Israel needs to be better than their neighbors. Don't know when wisdom will come but looking back, things are a lot better, I Think.
  • D D 2012/07/03 11:59:08
    No
    D D
    +1
    It is so tiny.

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  • Buoyant... D D 2012/07/04 01:31:00
    Buoyant Leadraft
    Lets make it smaller until we can't see it anymore.
  • DesertB... D D 2012/08/14 21:58:20
    DesertBloomDenier
    Given away? Every damn inch STOLEN.
  • joan.sloane 2012/07/03 11:58:59
    Undecided
    joan.sloane
    +3
    This is an important issue in the world today. I really need to educate myself on the topic more before I can comment.
  • observer joan.sl... 2012/07/03 13:37:03
    observer
    You are right on track. Education is key to understanding. There are plenty of materials about the conflict in the Middle East. You can start with articles in Wikipedia, and then proceed to more detailed sources of information. Good luck!
  • Rob observer 2012/07/03 19:01:37
    Rob
    Wikipedia where anyone can edit ? LOL!

    Start with Joan Peter's 'From Time Immemorial' ( dated but valuable) and Ephriam Karsh's ' Empires in the Sand' to see where the entire Middle East came from.
  • George Rob 2012/07/06 12:33:40
    George
    I see that there is plenty of sionists out of there. Keep attention of what you read, jewish dominate US media and white house and forses USA to get involved to protect israeli terrorism.
  • JOHN CRAIN George 2012/07/09 03:38:02
    JOHN CRAIN
    +1
    Hmmm. English not your first, second, or third tongue?
  • jcadla observer 2012/07/05 15:04:32
  • observer jcadla 2012/07/07 16:47:06
    observer
    I mentioned Wikipedia as only a most available and brief source for one who is interested in learning. Of course, it could serve only as an introduction into the study process and should be followed by learning from more professional sources.
  • bill.ca... joan.sl... 2012/07/04 05:02:52
    bill.caldwell.988
    +1
    The most honest reply ever. But your input is probably as good as most. It is mostly a debate over opinion. The Arabs and Persians were fine with European drawn borders when it benefitted them. They should be able to allow the Jews some of the huge amount of land available to split among the occupants of the mideast. The non-Jews will always own most of it, but they will never be happy unless the Jews are wiped out. It isn't about equitable division, but about wiping out the Jewish PEOPLE.
  • Miriam Feldstein Case 2012/07/03 11:26:02
    No
    Miriam Feldstein Case
    +1
    No way!
  • M. Aronson 2012/07/03 10:19:17
    No
    M. Aronson
    Israel should give back territories only if WE give back all the lands we stole from the Native Americans (and the lands we won in unjust wars.)
  • M. Aronson M. Aronson 2012/07/03 10:21:27
    M. Aronson
    +3
    P.S. Know who "Palestinians" are? They are simply displaced Arabs. There is an almost infinite number of places where they could live freely and happily among their Arab brethren, but the other Arab countries prefer to let them twist in the wind so they can be used as a political tool against Israel.
  • George M. Aronson 2012/07/06 12:43:58
    George
    You asked the wrong question, You should say Know who "Israelians" are? They are sionist jews from the whole world even from arab countries where they lived in peace during thousands of years (Morocco, Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia...) who steal a land that they don't deserve and that is forbiden for them even in there religion.
  • jcadla M. Aronson 2012/07/05 15:08:52
  • NUCKLEDRAGGER 2012/07/03 08:39:33
    No
    NUCKLEDRAGGER
    +3
    Israel has already given back land won fair and square and yet the Arabs and the worlds Left-wingers cry more. Enough is enough. Stand tall Israel and when the Arabs attack you again and they will. DON'T GIVE BACK WHAT YOU TAKE! Never retreat and never give the land God gave you. May God bless Israel and those who love her.
  • ileana.a.stan 2012/07/03 06:42:34
    No
    ileana.a.stan
    +2
    No. Israel is a Jewish passport for survival until the religious reform will be finished for good.
  • Mountai... ileana.... 2012/07/03 13:51:57
    Mountaineer
    What do you mean by 'religious reform'?
  • Sheila ileana.... 2012/07/03 14:52:06
    Sheila
    Someone stated that we should do our homework and study concerning Arabs & isreal right to occupy the Gaza. I agree, we can not study properly unless we study the Bible.
    The promise to Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob.
  • Damianos Sheila 2012/07/03 18:29:16
    Damianos
    +1
    The Bible is not a work of fact and is not a historical document. It is wrong to use religious/mythological texts to support or defend actions that affect real lives.
  • George Sheila 2012/07/06 12:59:41
    George
    God promised this land to believers of the nation of Abraham and Abraham has a son who is Ismael (the father of arabs).
    All this exists in Coran prophicy, it will end by victory of muslims and rebuilding the muslim nation.
  • Sheila George 2012/07/16 18:12:49
    Sheila
    Thanks George for your comment. I've been on soda head over 2 years now, I knew that my comment would spark a reply.
  • Efram Paul 2012/07/03 05:54:39
    No
    Efram Paul
    +3
    Israel needs to have strategic borders. Any concessions they make should be done with open dialogue with the Palestinians, not unilaterally, as they did with Gaza. Any time Israel has compromised, it has cost them. They gave Egypt back the Sinai Peninsula. Now, with an Islamist government, it is being used for terrorist attacks. Israel walked away from Gaza, and has been living with missiles practically every day since.

    In terms of Jerusalem. This is Islam's THIRD holiest city, not even mentioned in the Quran. Yet, it has been the Jewish capital for more than three thousand years. Petrodollars purchase a lot of publicity, and the rise of moral equivalence, via those who worship at the altar of politically-coerced censorship, have made Israel a pariah, very unfairly. Israel has a moral right to exist. No civilized person could disagree with that. If the Palestinians really wish to co-exist with Israel (and all of their actions declare otherwise), then let them sit down and talk with no preconceived requirements. Nothing short of that should result in any Israeli concessions at all.
  • George Efram Paul 2012/07/06 13:09:04
    George
    Jerusalem is mentioned in the Coran as "The Holy Mosque" it's the yellow Dome of rock . Plestine is mentioned as "The Holy Land" "deep land" wich is a miracle because now we know that Palestine has small latitude, that way there is dead sea.
  • Marianne 2012/07/03 05:31:00
    Undecided
    Marianne
    +1
    Both, Israeli and Palestinians, deserve to exist and live in peace. Why all this hatred and killing on both sides? Ancient history, poverty and religious disagreements are constantly used to attack and destroy. Too many extremists and terrorists, intolerance and fear fuel the war on both sides. Human rights are regularly violated. Up to now, decisions from above could hardly find an equitable solution for all the parties involved. Cutting up land and giving it to either side is not a solution, as long as there is terrorism and no economic welfare for the poor majority. I still believe that the UN can help.
  • Efram Paul Marianne 2012/07/03 06:00:04
    Efram Paul
    +3
    I agree, except that your statement implies it is the same on both sides. If Israel is battling Hizbollah, and some of the terrorists are wounded, they are treated in Israeli hospitals, is that true of the other side? Israel is a democracy, in which Arabs have an equal voice. They have representatives in the Knesset (congress). The Israeli courts have no problem siding with Arabs in civil conflicts with Jews. The only difference between an Israeli Jewish citizen, and an Israeli Arab citizen, is that the Arabs are not drafted into the military. They can volunteer (and you would be surprised at how many do), but they are not forced to do so.
  • Marianne Efram Paul 2012/07/03 18:21:37
    Marianne
    Unfortunately, their responses against attacks, their colonisation programmes and their security measures are too often striking blindly civils instead of the real ennemies, like terrorist attacks do - and the latter prefer to kill defenseless people and accuse the Occident. I cannot blame a country being attacked from all the sides to defend their right to live against those who want to exterminate them. Yet, those who suffer most in this war are again the defenseless and the poor on both sides, as this was the case throughout history. And neither Israel nor the terrorist organisations are doing anything to allow impoverished populations to remedy a disastrous economic, health and social situation. That gives rise to hatred and increases the sympathy toward criminal terrorist organisations, especially among the many unemployed. On the other hand, Israel does not control its own extremist movements. Constant vengence, like the vendetta in certain countries, cause interminable feuds.
  • Efram Paul Marianne 2012/09/04 03:54:15
    Efram Paul
    Your colonialism b------t is tired and the typical example of the big lie, which is being used over and over again in the fulminations of the politically-coerced censorship crowd. When Israel tried to stop rockets fired from Gaza, the terrorists used their women, children, elderly, and disabled as human shields. They do not value life, even their own. But they know that Israel does, so the human shield barbarism works. I have been to Israel. If a party actually sat down with Israel, without preconceived demands being met, and just talked, honestly, most of these issues could be ironed out. But denying the Holocaust, denying that Jews have a history in Jerusalem, attempting to destroy the proof of Jewish history in Israel by destroying artifacts, calling Israel a cancer and an insult to mankind are not reasonable starting points for peace negotiations. Israel is not a colonialist country, it is trying to protect its own land, to which it has every legal, moral, and ethical right. You try and live in a country where your children are at danger every minute of every day by rockets, deliberately fired at school buses.

    In 2000, President Clinton brokered a deal, painful to Israel, which would have given the Palestinians 98% of what it demanded. The results? A dramatic incr...





    Your colonialism b------t is tired and the typical example of the big lie, which is being used over and over again in the fulminations of the politically-coerced censorship crowd. When Israel tried to stop rockets fired from Gaza, the terrorists used their women, children, elderly, and disabled as human shields. They do not value life, even their own. But they know that Israel does, so the human shield barbarism works. I have been to Israel. If a party actually sat down with Israel, without preconceived demands being met, and just talked, honestly, most of these issues could be ironed out. But denying the Holocaust, denying that Jews have a history in Jerusalem, attempting to destroy the proof of Jewish history in Israel by destroying artifacts, calling Israel a cancer and an insult to mankind are not reasonable starting points for peace negotiations. Israel is not a colonialist country, it is trying to protect its own land, to which it has every legal, moral, and ethical right. You try and live in a country where your children are at danger every minute of every day by rockets, deliberately fired at school buses.

    In 2000, President Clinton brokered a deal, painful to Israel, which would have given the Palestinians 98% of what it demanded. The results? A dramatic increase in terrorism. In 2005, Israel walked away from Gaza. The results? A dramatic increase and intensity of terrorism.

    As for Israel, it has absorbed, even sought out, refugees from numerous third world nations to improve their lot in life. You name me another country which deliberately paid ransom, and risked lives, in order to rescue a people of color, not to make them slaves but to make them citizens (The Falashas, in case you are wondering). American Jews are far more hateful of Arabs than the Israelis. If given half a chance, Israel could help all the peoples in the region, and would be delighted to do so. Their economy is healthy, and they are delighted to share. Israel made peace with Egypt, and shared technology with them. Then, a terrorist organization took over Egypt, and the Sinai, which was supposed to be demilitarized, now has missiles on Israel's border.

    Israel and the terrorists are NOT the same. Terrorists believe that martyrdom is something to strive for. Israel believes in the sanctity of every human life. If not, Israel could have taken out Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad easily, by doing what you accuse them of and ignoring civilian lives. But they have not. As a result, innocent children are subject to murder.

    I think Israel should annex the West Bank, include the so called Palestinians as citizens, and grant them the same rights as Arabs already living in Israel. They will have more rights than Arabs in any Arab state (except for the ruling elite of course).
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  • Marianne Efram Paul 2012/09/04 04:29:22
    Marianne
    I do not support terrorists - they ought to be exterminated. But I am thinking of all the innocent people abused and killed on both sides.
  • NUCKLED... Marianne 2012/07/03 08:51:58
    NUCKLEDRAGGER
    +1
    ...decisions from above?.... Interesting choice of words, Do you think the world is ruled by the UN? God help us with your decisions from above.

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