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Should "In God We Trust" be removed or replaced from the United States motto and currency?

Cyber Punk 2012/09/05 18:46:02
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  • findthelight2000 2012/09/13 20:25:54 (edited)
    Yes
    findthelight2000
    +5
    Unless the Christian fundamentalists cease trying to force their religion on us by twisting the US Constitution, the original intent of our founding fathers, and pointing to the motto "In God We Trust"..., it should be removed.

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  • Kookieless The Sexy Nihilis... 2012/09/26 21:12:07
  • Just me ∞ijm♥G☮F♀U∞ 2012/09/22 14:58:52
    No
    Just me ∞ijm♥G☮F♀U∞
    Why pay millions of dollars to make new mints? I think we would save money leaving it on.
  • cowboy 2012/09/17 14:48:15
    No
    cowboy
    We need all the "God" we can get right now........
  • Glfer65 2012/09/17 00:09:05
    No
    Glfer65
    For now I say leave it as it is. It has no harm or intention towards others and is just words.
  • Cyber Punk 2012/09/16 21:04:24
  • wolfshadow 2012/09/16 09:34:28
    No
    wolfshadow
    +1
    Been there for decades, no reason we should pander to the idiots that come here then try to convert us. If it was so great where they are from... let them go back.
  • BornToBeWild 2012/09/16 06:29:24
    No
    BornToBeWild
    +1
    unless "In Faith We Trust" takes its place! That would appropriate to all religion of faith and doesn't specify towards just certain religious groups!
  • *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T 2012/09/16 06:23:41
    No
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    +3
    Although I never understood why anyone would want "In God We Trust," on something as materialistic as money. It just sends off bad vibes, like money is our God or something.
  • Dryth *Mahoga... 2012/09/16 07:20:38
    Dryth
    then why do you not think it should be removed?
  • *Mahoga... Dryth 2012/09/16 07:24:21
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    +1
    Personally; my own opinion shouldn't mean the phrase should automatically be removed. I think it's stupid and hypocritical, but others might not see it that way.
  • Dryth *Mahoga... 2012/09/16 07:26:30
    Dryth
    Strange to say that on a website where the point is to express your opinion.
    Really, the whole argument is made on just the basis that it's really unconstitutional, and yes, I do think it's strange to put it on money out of principle.
  • *Mahoga... Dryth 2012/09/16 07:32:59
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    +1
    The question asks if it should be taken off solely on the opinion of an individual; I stated no, because it is something that everyone needs to discuss before making such a decision. I agree that the phrase on our currency makes no sense.
  • Dryth *Mahoga... 2012/09/16 07:34:58
    Dryth
    +1
    I think the real flaw in all this is the design of sodahead. We shouldn't have to poll before we discuss. It leaves no room for us to change our decision as a result of discussion.
  • Glfer65 *Mahoga... 2012/09/17 00:10:56
    Glfer65
    Then if money is the root of all evil why are the churches always asking for donations? On a serious note it is important to point out it is words on paper.
  • findthelight2000 2012/09/13 20:25:54 (edited)
    Yes
    findthelight2000
    +5
    Unless the Christian fundamentalists cease trying to force their religion on us by twisting the US Constitution, the original intent of our founding fathers, and pointing to the motto "In God We Trust"..., it should be removed.
  • elijahin24 2012/09/13 20:15:05
    Yes
    elijahin24
    +5
    We should replace it with the ORIGINAL (and more inclusive) "E Pluribus Unum". We should go back to the motto that celebrates our diversity, rather than one that divides us on the basis OF that diversity.
  • findthe... elijahin24 2012/09/17 02:08:10
    findthelight2000
    Well said.
  • Invader_Ellie_Slamacow 2012/09/10 23:33:59
    Yes
    Invader_Ellie_Slamacow
    if we really don't believe it... it's just another one of those little things that doesn't matter. better to keep silent in doubt than to open your mouth in lies.
  • Sofahead 2012/09/10 21:40:39
    No
    Sofahead
    A lot of nonsense. Anyway it's more than the faith than we can put in the government as were not on the Gold Standard since FDR and it's continually losing value causing inflation, like checks from a checking account that couldn't cover all the checks written.
  • BHGOzzy 2012/09/10 20:55:27
    No
    BHGOzzy
    I honestly don't care. It was added to the currency after an evangelical revival in the late 1800's and really it's not doing any harm to anybody, nor is anyone attempting to use it as some method of turning the US into a Theocracy... so I don't care.
  • Joe61 2012/09/10 20:43:20
    Yes
    Joe61
    Maybe the motto should be replaced with "In Allah We Trust" well after the opening scenes of the DNC, I don't think I am very far off the truth there.
  • **StarzAbove** 2012/09/10 20:41:35
    No
    **StarzAbove**
  • Barefoot Peace and Love∞ijm... 2012/09/10 20:39:49
    No
    Barefoot Peace and Love∞ijm♥☮♥∞
  • KilrQueen 2012/09/10 20:36:41
    No
    KilrQueen
    +2
    How in the hell does that hurt anyone? If you don't like it being there then go live in another country where they don't have it. I am so sick of people thinking their way of life is so much better for everyone else. I do not force my beliefs on anyone and I'm sick of others trying to force theirs on me!!!!!!!!!!!
  • **Starz... KilrQueen 2012/09/10 20:42:08
    **StarzAbove**
    +2
    I agree.
  • elijahin24 KilrQueen 2012/09/13 20:16:57
    elijahin24
    +1
    But it's OK when YOU tell others that YOUR way of life is better for everyone else? Having God on our money is doing exactly that.
  • KilrQueen elijahin24 2012/09/13 22:38:44 (edited)
    KilrQueen
    How is that telling you how to live your life? It's a phrase on money, get over yourself. Like I said before, If you don't like it, then go find a country that has a different phrase and go live there.
  • elijahin24 KilrQueen 2012/09/14 15:27:36
    elijahin24
    +1
    It's always amazed me how Christians act like we are being cry-babies when we bring this up, but when we say "happy holidays" you'd think that we'd just re-crucified your god. Now, if you don't want to have a grown-up conversation about this, that's fine. Simply don't respond. But don't come here just looking for an opportunity to be pissy with people. To many of us, this is a real issue, and it DOES matter. And I'm happy to explain why in a respectful way, if you're interested. But it sounds to me like what you really want is an opportunity to judge people. How would that savior of yours feel about that?
  • KilrQueen elijahin24 2012/09/14 15:40:32
    KilrQueen
    I'm sorry...but I said what I thought, and if you don't like what I think then don't read it. I thought this was an open forum, did not realize that you are the ruler here. BTW, since you love to assume things, let me show you how you made an ass out of yourself. I am not a Christian but I also do not hate or despise them. You are also the one doing the judging not me. I have no issue with the values that this country was founded on, they do not interfere in my life, it does not stop me from doing whatever I want to do. I do believe that removing GOD from everything is setting up for Chaos to begin. Some people need GOD to help guide them and it is their right to have that. Seeing a cross does not bother me, hearing a prayer doesn't bother me, the same way as seeing a mosque doesn't bother me. People are allowed to have their beliefs. I think it is wrong for others to impose their beliefs by changing things that have always been there. That phrase was around long before you were ever born, what gives you the right to change it? You are no more and no less intelligent than I am. I can accept my countries values but they do not rule my life as the apparently do in yours. Also, you are the one that started with the attitude, my dear friend. You can also say "Happy ...
    I'm sorry...but I said what I thought, and if you don't like what I think then don't read it. I thought this was an open forum, did not realize that you are the ruler here. BTW, since you love to assume things, let me show you how you made an ass out of yourself. I am not a Christian but I also do not hate or despise them. You are also the one doing the judging not me. I have no issue with the values that this country was founded on, they do not interfere in my life, it does not stop me from doing whatever I want to do. I do believe that removing GOD from everything is setting up for Chaos to begin. Some people need GOD to help guide them and it is their right to have that. Seeing a cross does not bother me, hearing a prayer doesn't bother me, the same way as seeing a mosque doesn't bother me. People are allowed to have their beliefs. I think it is wrong for others to impose their beliefs by changing things that have always been there. That phrase was around long before you were ever born, what gives you the right to change it? You are no more and no less intelligent than I am. I can accept my countries values but they do not rule my life as the apparently do in yours. Also, you are the one that started with the attitude, my dear friend. You can also say "Happy Holidays" all you want, I do not care, I like saying "Merry Christmas" because it's how I grew up, not because I am forcing something on someone else. This is why I live in the US and not a country where they force things on you. Christianity is not forced on you just because you see a cross. You need to learn a little tolerance.
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  • elijahin24 KilrQueen 2012/09/15 01:19:03
    elijahin24
    +1
    E Pluribus Unum was going around long before "In God we trust". (by the way, because "God" is capitalized, it is a proper noun; which DOES refer to the Judeo-Christian god). What gave THEM the right to change it?
    In no way would I EVER deny anyone the right to worship as they see fit. But recognizing a religion by acts of Congress (such as our Pledge, our national motto, and the design of our money) is a rather obvious violation of the First Amendment. Perhaps more importantly, it serves NO PURPOSE but to divide us. Do you really think anyone is going to be planning to steal some money, look down and read "In God we trust" and think "huh, I guess I shouldn't do this"? If you do, why don't you leave your money wallet outside, unprotected, and see how that works out for you. If fear of eternal damnation, or hope of a mansion on a cloud is the only thing standing between our species, and anarchy; we are already screwed.
    I love the philosophy of Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus). I love my Christian friends, as I do my Jewish friends, and my Budhist friend. When I was in Iraq, I had affection for my Islamic friends there too. My problem is not with religion. My problem is when religion is turned into a litmus test for patriotism. Is my service to my country nullified, by my unwillingness ...
    E Pluribus Unum was going around long before "In God we trust". (by the way, because "God" is capitalized, it is a proper noun; which DOES refer to the Judeo-Christian god). What gave THEM the right to change it?
    In no way would I EVER deny anyone the right to worship as they see fit. But recognizing a religion by acts of Congress (such as our Pledge, our national motto, and the design of our money) is a rather obvious violation of the First Amendment. Perhaps more importantly, it serves NO PURPOSE but to divide us. Do you really think anyone is going to be planning to steal some money, look down and read "In God we trust" and think "huh, I guess I shouldn't do this"? If you do, why don't you leave your money wallet outside, unprotected, and see how that works out for you. If fear of eternal damnation, or hope of a mansion on a cloud is the only thing standing between our species, and anarchy; we are already screwed.
    I love the philosophy of Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus). I love my Christian friends, as I do my Jewish friends, and my Budhist friend. When I was in Iraq, I had affection for my Islamic friends there too. My problem is not with religion. My problem is when religion is turned into a litmus test for patriotism. Is my service to my country nullified, by my unwillingness to say the Pledge of Allegiance, as long as religion is a part of it? Was Jefferson less of a patriot because he believed Jesus wasn't the son of God? If it has nothing to do with what makes us brothers and sisters, under the same stars and stripes, why is it so important to you, and to them, that those words be honored by our government?
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  • KilrQueen elijahin24 2012/09/15 01:50:25
    KilrQueen
    Same question to you, why is it so important to you that those words are removed. It has been there since the mid 1800's. It was originally put there to show that the Union had God on their side during the Civil War. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. I do not understand why things such as this have to be changed just because a few people don't like it. Seems that it doesn't bother the majority. I also do not see it as our government honoring those words, they do not pay homage to those words, hell they barely even know which Presidents are on which bills.
  • elijahin24 KilrQueen 2012/09/15 02:21:38
    elijahin24
    First, let me correct your history. The words were not there until the early 1950's. It was put on our money, and into our Pledge, as a propaganda tool; the idea of which was to declare that America is on God's side, and to suggest (not too subtly) a connection between atheism and our Communist enemies. While Communism did exclude religion; not being religious certainly does not make one a Communist.
    Prior to the '50's, the national motto was E Pluribus Unum (Of many, one). This motto celebrated the diversity of our country.

    This is important to me, because those words suggest that patriotism cannot exist without religion, and specifically the Judeo-Christian religions. If that is the case, my love for my country is insincere; my sacrifices for her in Iraq, were meaningless; and had I died there, that too would have been for nothing.
    Many things have gone on in this country which did not bother the majority of the people, but if you are the minority which IS hurt by it, even if only in words; is that pain not still valid? I'm not gay, and neither is most of the country; but if they are mistreated, is that pain not still valid? If a child who was brought into this country, grows up here, knows no other life other than that of an American (US), and they are treated as if they ar...

    First, let me correct your history. The words were not there until the early 1950's. It was put on our money, and into our Pledge, as a propaganda tool; the idea of which was to declare that America is on God's side, and to suggest (not too subtly) a connection between atheism and our Communist enemies. While Communism did exclude religion; not being religious certainly does not make one a Communist.
    Prior to the '50's, the national motto was E Pluribus Unum (Of many, one). This motto celebrated the diversity of our country.

    This is important to me, because those words suggest that patriotism cannot exist without religion, and specifically the Judeo-Christian religions. If that is the case, my love for my country is insincere; my sacrifices for her in Iraq, were meaningless; and had I died there, that too would have been for nothing.
    Many things have gone on in this country which did not bother the majority of the people, but if you are the minority which IS hurt by it, even if only in words; is that pain not still valid? I'm not gay, and neither is most of the country; but if they are mistreated, is that pain not still valid? If a child who was brought into this country, grows up here, knows no other life other than that of an American (US), and they are treated as if they are a plague on this country; is that pain not still valid?
    I've sacrificed for my country. These may only be words, but they were only words when people will calling Vietnam Veterans "baby-killers", too. Words have meaning and effect, even if that effect is not tangible.
    That's why it matters to me.
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  • KilrQueen elijahin24 2012/09/15 02:29:29 (edited)
    KilrQueen
    They were actually put there in 1864, check your history http://www.treasury.gov/about... You are correct on the latter part of your statement. Those words meant a lot to my son,. I think it is selfish of the few to want to change things to suit themselves. Maybe you need to just look at it as a slogan, not put so much meaning behind it because trust me, the majority do not. As I said, most people do not pay it any attention. I have been hurt by many things all through my life but not once did I ever feel it was my place to try and get others to change just because I didn't like something.
  • elijahin24 KilrQueen 2012/09/15 05:02:30
    elijahin24
    I'm sorry to hear about your son.
    If it is only a slogan to you, but it actually hurts me, and others; what is the harm in removing it?
  • KilrQueen elijahin24 2012/09/15 05:26:27
    KilrQueen
    and what is the harm in just leaving it alone? Quite the conundrum, right?
  • elijahin24 KilrQueen 2012/09/15 15:28:17
    elijahin24
    I've told you the harm in leaving it alone. You have not told me the harm in removing it.
  • KilrQueen elijahin24 2012/09/15 19:55:44
    KilrQueen
    The harm would be to weaken a nation (because it is still the belief of the majority.) It is not a bad symbol. Unlike some others I could think of. Why fix something that isn't broken on the whole? To me personally, it makes no difference in my life as I do not spend my time sitting around looking at my money and being offended by it....it will spend the same way. Taking it off would only create chaos amongst people in our own country. Do you really want that just to satisfy yourself? Is that price worth it to you?
  • elijahin24 KilrQueen 2012/09/15 20:09:30
    elijahin24
    How would it weaken the nation? I don't understand that. You said yourself that "it's only a slogan". If that's all it is, how would it's removal have ANY effect?
    How would it create chaos? Because the religious fanatics who want to impose their version of Leviticus on the rest of us, and damn the First Amendment; would revolt? These are the same nationalistic pricks who raise holy hell when anyone even suggests changing the 2nd Amendment. They are hypocrites. They only care about the Constitution, when it serves THEIR cause. WHY DOESN'T THE CONSTITUTION MATTER?
  • KilrQueen elijahin24 2012/09/15 20:17:32
    KilrQueen
    To me it is a slogan, nothing more. To others it has meaning to it...that our country is guided by God (which if used correctly, is not a bad thing) This country has been under God for longer than either of us have been a live. This is a democracy, therefore, the majority rules. I'm sorry that you have such a hard time with that...to me there are more important things going on. I could care less about what our money has on it at this point and time. I think we should leave it alone because honestly, I do not see your point of view at all. I suppose you get upset every time you pass a church. We will not agree on this topic.
  • elijahin24 KilrQueen 2012/09/15 20:29:33 (edited)
    elijahin24
    +1
    No. This is not a democracy. It is a republic. And it is so specifically because Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were intent upon protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority. It ISN'T majority rule. It is majority advantage. I have no problem with churches. I have no problem with a person wishing me a merry Christmas. I have no problem with people praying for me. but it MUST stay out of the Government. You still have not answered my question: Why doesn't the Constitution matter?
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