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Should House Republicans Vote to Repeal Health Care Even Though It's Just a Symbolic Vote?

DC Pundit 2011/01/08 12:00:00
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Last week, I talked about how the biggest problem with the Republican Party is not the Democratic Party, but Republicans.

Sometimes when you take a principled stand, you might lose the battle. But it's not the skirmishes, it's the war the GOP should be focused on. Republicans frequently forget that. In the ongoing fight to repeal health care legislation, this is one of those times.

Republicans should not ignore the fact that a majority of voters still don't like the national health care law that Democrats passed in March. According to Rasmussen polls, 60 percent favor repeal and nearly half are afraid that their individual coverage, which they strongly approve of, will be altered or be hurt by the new law.

And, in fact, the law has already had unintended consequences as insurance premiums are raised because companies like Blue Cross/Blue Shield are hedging their bets in connection with profits. They're not going to lose money as the government slowly forces regulations on them, the rest of us will have to pay for it.

The individual mandate is about as unpopular a regulation as you can get. The mandate, once again, has the government forcing people to pay for insurance or be penalized. See the emerging theme here? The government forcing people and the marketplace to follow some Utopian medical ideal is neither ideal nor based on marketplace solutions. Nor, some would argue, is it constitutional.

With Republicans now in control of the House, they plan next week to pass a symbolic vote to repeal Obamacare. It won't pass the Senate and President Obama is sure to veto it. Republicans know this. Democrats know this. The average voter knows this.

But it's a stand the GOP can build on. Certainly there are some good things in the law that should be kept. Republicans know that a wholesale repeal will be costly. But scaling it back is doable over the next few years. And in 2012, if they keep it up, they can win that war.

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  • Bronti 2011/01/08 17:46:21
    No
    Bronti
    +60
    Stand up Republicans and vote against;
    The right to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.
    Drop or limit coverage if you become sick.
    Charge women higher premiums than men.
    Seniors will lose critical prescription drug savings and FREE preventive care under Medicare.
    And, add an additional $230 billion to the deficit.

    So yes, maybe you should stand up and vote against HC Reform and show us again, just how beholding you are to Insurance and Pharma companies. Grandstand for the Tea Party, the people in America you have so easily convinced, that it is in their best interest to vote against themselves, so they can make your corporate financial backers wealthier.

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  • Colbert 2011/01/12 04:47:28
    Yes
    Colbert
    +1
    Should or will? I voted yes, because they most obviously will. There will be tears.
    voted tears republican tears
  • Ms. Mom - profits employ, t... 2011/01/11 06:14:35
    Yes
    Ms. Mom - profits employ, taxes destroy
    I am not convinced that it would be just symbolic. Perhaps there are enough moderates in the Senate who want to keep their job in 2012 that will vote to repeal obamacare.
  • Joseph E. Bowker, CMSgt, US... 2011/01/11 02:48:35
    No
    Joseph E. Bowker, CMSgt, USAF (Ret)
    +2
    no! Of course not. It is a good start for a real law. We need it changed for sure. It needs to become Single-Payer, Universal-Comprehensive, National Health Care for all. We need to get the Private Insurance People out of the mix. They just cost money and provide little advantage.
  • Chokmah Joseph ... 2011/01/11 04:48:10
    Chokmah
    The bizarre claims by the Congressional Budget Office and the Obama Administration that repealing ObamaCare would somehow “cost” $230 billion must be analyzed. How can not increasing the taxpayer-financed health care rolls cost anything?

    CBO says that through 2019, the health care expansion would have cost $780 billion, but that would have been offset by cutting Medicare by $500 billion under the assumption that waste, fraud and abuse were eliminated.

    The most likely explanation is that CBO is saying that Medicare was going to be cut regardless of whether “waste, fraud, and abuse” was ever found. Else, how could they score it? That would put the lie to Barack Obama’s claim at a joint session of Congress when he said on September 9th, 2009, “The only thing this plan would eliminate is the hundreds of billions of dollars in waste and fraud”. Of course, the mechanism for the reduction of Medicare spending was the arbitrary entity, the Independent Payments Advisory Panel (i.e. the death panel).

    House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan says the CBO is wrong. “Misleading arguments about its true deficit impact exclude the $115 billion needed to implement the law and over $500 billion in double-counting Social Security payroll taxes, CLASS Act premiums, and Medicare reductions...

    The bizarre claims by the Congressional Budget Office and the Obama Administration that repealing ObamaCare would somehow “cost” $230 billion must be analyzed. How can not increasing the taxpayer-financed health care rolls cost anything?

    CBO says that through 2019, the health care expansion would have cost $780 billion, but that would have been offset by cutting Medicare by $500 billion under the assumption that waste, fraud and abuse were eliminated.

    The most likely explanation is that CBO is saying that Medicare was going to be cut regardless of whether “waste, fraud, and abuse” was ever found. Else, how could they score it? That would put the lie to Barack Obama’s claim at a joint session of Congress when he said on September 9th, 2009, “The only thing this plan would eliminate is the hundreds of billions of dollars in waste and fraud”. Of course, the mechanism for the reduction of Medicare spending was the arbitrary entity, the Independent Payments Advisory Panel (i.e. the death panel).

    House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan says the CBO is wrong. “Misleading arguments about its true deficit impact exclude the $115 billion needed to implement the law and over $500 billion in double-counting Social Security payroll taxes, CLASS Act premiums, and Medicare reductions,” he said in a statement. The CBO analysis also did not include so-called “doc-fix,” a cut in Medicare payments to physicians.

    House Republicans have released a report documenting the real costs of ObamaCare at $2.6 trillion upon full implementation and $701 billion in new debt in its first ten years alone. “The law was written to measure 10 years of tax increases to offset 6 years of new spending. There is no question that the creation of a trillion-dollar open-ended entitlement is a fiscal train wreck,” Ryan said. Which is why it must be repealed.
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  • Diamond Girl 2011/01/10 18:10:34
    Yes
    Diamond Girl
    The GOP needs to be on record that they voted for repeal. then let the Senate Democraps vote to keep Obamacare and let the pubic see who exactly will be held responsible when granny dies because the Doctors CANNOT give proper treatment for her medical condition because the death panels decided if it is medically necessary instead of your Doctor making that decision.
  • ♥Candee™♥ 2011/01/10 10:51:52
    Yes
    ♥Candee™♥
    Absolutely
  • Colleen 2011/01/10 10:50:41
    Yes
    Colleen
    Not really going to be symbolic. It will be the beginning of tearing it apart regardless of vote outcome.
    It has to be revealed what is in it piece by piece...trust me..when all know, it will be dismantled!
  • JasonYates 2011/01/10 10:14:48
    Yes
    JasonYates
    Not sticking to what the core beliefs of what they SAY they represent is why they got in trouble to begin with.

    Government spending is so out of control that we are actually on the brink of economic failure. We absolutely must get our budget and debt under control or all of the things the left doesn't want cut will be lost completely. Can you imagine what will happen if our dollar collapses? Do you think health care and social security will be better off then?

    Wake up. There is a pile of bills and no money to pay them.
  • Beto 2011/01/10 10:07:06
    Yes
    Beto
    Yes, some may see it as a symbolic vote but to Representatives who promised to oppose Obamacare, it is a pledge of fidelity. If enough opposition can be shown, perhaps the monstrosity of a bill that was forcibly jammed down our throats can be parred down to a an enact able law.
    Health Care Reform is entirely too complex to be managed by a single one size fits all law.
    Much can and should be done to allow competition among supplies and suppliers. Health care systems should be allowed to offer plans within regions if not nationwide. Such competition should drive down costs as opposed to the manipulating interference of Government into every decision of life, down to the most private counsel of patient and Doctor.
  • Ko 2011/01/10 07:35:47
    Undecided
    Ko
    What Principles? The only Republican principle I know of is $$$$$$$$$ in their pockets.
  • okay4 2011/01/10 07:18:10
  • sailor 2011/01/10 06:26:24
    Yes
    sailor
    The Obama Care health care plan is Obama's baby and he must take responsibility for it.
  • Blueskies 2011/01/10 06:06:58
    Undecided
    Blueskies
    This was the Republican Party I used to be a proud member of.
    http://www.kaiserhealthnews.o...

    Read and weep for what the Republicans have become.
  • Joanna the Great 2011/01/10 05:45:29
    No
    Joanna the Great
    +1
    They should focus their energies on more important things right now. Also, they should make a plan to revise the bill based on improvements the believe need to be made, not just get rid of it. you can't deny there is a problem with the health-care system and it needs some sort of fixing so just fix the fixing. if you make a mistake in the picture you're drawing, do you just rip it up and start over? No, you make it something new.
  • Paul Joanna ... 2011/01/10 16:28:47
    Paul
    Now that we have read it, most Americans want it repealed.
  • Joanna ... Paul 2011/01/10 19:00:23
    Joanna the Great
    +1
    says who? ive heard that most americans want it altered, not completely repealed.
  • Paul Joanna ... 2011/01/10 19:44:22
    Paul
    In your world I would guess you hear alot of things. But unlikely to be true. Good day.
  • Erok 2011/01/10 05:36:05
    Yes
    Erok
    Time to fix it and take out things like real estate taxes and all the other crap odimwit put in there and tried to do his typical lie cheat and mislead tactics as he has been doing. Things probably wouldn't be so crazy if the demobrats would chill out and stop trying to screw our country the way they have so many times in the past!
  • Stephen Actor 2011/01/10 05:02:23
    Yes
    Stephen Actor
    yea..it is a good start..a new feel to us..
    http://www.glssystems.net
  • Walks_on_Clouds 2011/01/10 03:26:46
    Yes
    Walks_on_Clouds
    They need to keep it in the front of the American people to remind us what our dollars are paying for; socialism.

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke
  • Blueskies Walks_o... 2011/01/10 06:09:57
    Blueskies
    Thats why I am standing and fighting you guys. Someone has to. I hope more good men will join me
    http://www.kaiserhealthnews.o...
  • Walks_o... Blueskies 2011/01/10 20:16:18
    Walks_on_Clouds
    Remember, Nixon didn't exactly go out on a cheery note, but his being a liar was a different issue. One thing Nixon should be noted for was how successful he was at opening the doors of communication and trade with communist Red China. What was it they saw in him that they liked so much? Maybe now we know.
    From his very own words, "But no legislation reached my desk." Why? Because the nationalized healthcare legislation is socialism. Shame on him again.
  • Blueskies Walks_o... 2011/01/11 17:47:04
    Blueskies
    Nixon was a saint compared to the people he was fighting, and who took over after him.
    Why do you neglect Kissinger?
    Here is a theory. Kissinger was the real boss, Rockefellers direct representive. He, and Haig later ran things since JFK was shot well into the 80's & set up Nixon.
    Rockefeller put Nixon in the White House thinking he controlled Nixon, then Nixon tried to REALLY implement his policies, end our dependence on a war economy, improve the lot of the average citizens in health and education, and break the energy monopolies of the Rockefellers (OPEC is part of it).
    But Nixon lost, Rockefeller and OPEC won, the New Deal is dismantled, the working class broken, the social clock is rolled back to 1900, and were living in a ever more alienating & militant plutocratic tyranny.
  • Greg 2011/01/10 03:09:48
    Yes
    Greg
    We need to show the dems that we are unified on this
  • Arrogant Greg 2011/01/10 06:32:36
    Arrogant
    What will that prove. Did the dems standing united sway your opinion?
  • harry 2011/01/10 03:05:49
    No
    harry
    +2
    Repealing Health Care is a step backwards. The Republicans want to take away our Patient Bill of Rights. The Health Care legislation that is in force now is not perfect and can be improved. If it were to be repealed now, it will never come up again. The Republicans don't even have a plan for Health Care. They just want things back the way they were. Here is an example of one off the things they want to take away. If a child is born with an illness, lets say Diabetas, then your insurance provider cannot deny health care. But if the Republicans have their way, that will be reversed.
  • Kiosk Kid 2011/01/10 02:47:35
    Yes
    Kiosk Kid
    +1
    Is there really anything as a sybolic vote. It puts congress persons on record in the house..
  • Flea 2011/01/10 02:32:05
    No
    Flea
    +1
    "Symbolic vote"? WTF? Is this what our democratic process has come down to, votes that mean nothing, time and taxpayer money spent on this nonproductive circus?
    If you up there on Capitol Hill aren't going to do your job and do some real work, maybe the American people should symbolically vote your azzes out of office next term, eh?
  • FilmBoy 2011/01/10 02:24:22
    No
    FilmBoy
    +2
    WOW!!! Look at those results!!! Just goes to show that we are being mislead and often times outright lied to when we are told things like, "60 percent of the American public want to repeal healthcare reform...." The fact is, it's NOT a perfect bill, and the one part getting the most objections from the right is the one thing put in the bill from the RIGHT-Anyone remember ROMNEY-CARE in Massachussetts and it's mandate? There is more in this bill that is good for America than there is negative, so why do Conservatives deny this and outright lie about it? Because they could care less about the Middle Class and look the other way when Big Business rapes and pillages them. We are still recovering from Republican mismanagement of our nation and economy, so why are they rewriting history once again?
    What the Republicans should do is stop looking for ways to bring down Obama, the way they did Clinton, investigating the Clintons for everything under the sun only to catch him lying about an affair. They literally spent hundreds of millions of dollars of tax payer money to censure Bill Clinton for getting an extramarital BJ. Now they say they have the same intentions for Obama. The whole Republican agenda has NOTHING to do with helping America. It's sole purpose is to bring d...
    WOW!!! Look at those results!!! Just goes to show that we are being mislead and often times outright lied to when we are told things like, "60 percent of the American public want to repeal healthcare reform...." The fact is, it's NOT a perfect bill, and the one part getting the most objections from the right is the one thing put in the bill from the RIGHT-Anyone remember ROMNEY-CARE in Massachussetts and it's mandate? There is more in this bill that is good for America than there is negative, so why do Conservatives deny this and outright lie about it? Because they could care less about the Middle Class and look the other way when Big Business rapes and pillages them. We are still recovering from Republican mismanagement of our nation and economy, so why are they rewriting history once again?
    What the Republicans should do is stop looking for ways to bring down Obama, the way they did Clinton, investigating the Clintons for everything under the sun only to catch him lying about an affair. They literally spent hundreds of millions of dollars of tax payer money to censure Bill Clinton for getting an extramarital BJ. Now they say they have the same intentions for Obama. The whole Republican agenda has NOTHING to do with helping America. It's sole purpose is to bring down and destroy Democrats. This law does NOT need repealing, definitely it needs fixing, but the Republicans need to start listening to the people the way they SAY Democrats have NOT been doing. Or else it's going to be an entire nations UNDOING!!!!
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  • harry FilmBoy 2011/01/10 03:08:16
    harry
    +1
    You could not have stated it any better.
  • mrgreenusa 2011/01/10 02:02:28
    Yes
    mrgreenusa
    +1
    yes at least they might be able to clean it up, and start fresh
  • Arrogant mrgreenusa 2011/01/10 06:34:24
    Arrogant
    THe GOP isnt good at fixing messes. Only passing blame, and leaving messes for their replacements.
  • mrgreenusa Arrogant 2011/01/12 04:08:16
    mrgreenusa
    thats a pretty arrogant statement arrogant, lol
  • Balladeer-PWCM-POTL 2011/01/10 01:18:05
    Undecided
    Balladeer-PWCM-POTL
    Sadly the TEA party and conservatives have ALL the principles and ethics of the GOP that's why Dirty Trixter Karl Rove has to work to defeat TEA Party Candidates. That's why the Neocons and GOP Elitists are 'quislings' to the Dem Socialists and selling the Republic into the abyss
  • belle 2011/01/10 01:12:23
    Yes
    belle
    Yes, at least show America that you have guts to vote for what is really right.
  • Arrogant belle 2011/01/10 06:37:30
    Arrogant
    If teh Dems vote for something that they think is best for everyone, and you dont think so. Ergo....what makes you think that you're position is correct. Stop expecting them to cater to GoP needs and wants when the GOP does not return the favor.
  • belle Arrogant 2011/01/10 20:59:28
    belle
    I think they should cater to the needs of the people of the United States, not the demos as you seem to think.
  • Arrogant belle 2011/01/10 21:06:34 (edited)
    Arrogant
    +1
    Im not a Democrat or a GOP. Both of you sicken me. The last GOP president lead the country in a way that pleased the GOP poplation. Why do you expect different from them? Hes leading for the people that elected him. Which you & I did not do. You want to change things, start with your self. Lead by example not demands. And for god sake when a GOP is backin office & senate...do something actually productive. GOp is grandstanding about how bi-partisan politiscs need to stop, but look at their congressional game plan. Waste of time & money.
  • belle Arrogant 2011/01/10 21:17:01
    belle
    So you say you are neither, but because I disagree with you about the demos, you think I am a Republican. Goes to show you have wasted your time, because I am not associated with any party. At this time if I had to chhose I would go with the Tea Party and then the GOP.. Looks like you are the ine to be grandstanding
  • Arrogant belle 2011/01/10 21:34:02
    Arrogant
    you are absolutely right! You are a waste of time. Arguing whit a woman is like polishing a turd...it doesnt help, just smears it around and it still smells bad in the end. Enjoy your victory. LOL
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