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SHOULD GENDER BASED ABORTION BE CRIMINALIZED?

apachehellfire65 2012/06/13 21:20:29
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A CBC investigation has found that some privately owned 3D ultrasound businesses are allowing women to determine the gender of their fetus much earlier than they could from their doctors.

The CBC’s Investigations Unit, using hidden cameras, visited nearly two dozen so-called entertainment ultrasound businesses in three Canadian cities.

Of the 22 centres visited, 15 agreed to book an appointment for an ultrasound that would give a couple the gender of the fetus before 20 weeks of pregnancy. That’s within the range of time when it’s still possible for a woman to get an elective abortion.

“You basically proved that it is happening here,” Dr. Verjinder Ubhi told CBC News after seeing the hidden camera footage. "We had suspicion but no evidence." Ubhi has been practising medicine in Brampton, Ont., for more than 20 years. “This is happening here, right in Canada."

The CBC investigation follows two recent studies that suggest the practice of aborting females in favour of males, common in countries such as India and China, has come to Canada.

A study released in April in the Canadian Medical Association Journal confirmed previous research showing that the male-to-female ratio for third-born children to women born in India and living in Ontario is higher than the natural rate.

“The numbers are definitely tilted because women are aborting the girls,” says Amandeep Kaur, the chief operating officer at Punjabi Community Health Services in Mississauga.

Kaur says she has had women come for help who had to deal with violence against them for resisting aborting a female fetus. “I’d say the women we see, at least 10 per cent of women come to our agency with this type of problem.”

Many Canadian hospitals and doctors won’t reveal the gender of a fetus until a woman is too far along to get an elective abortion.

Yet, in the last 10 years in Canada there has been an explosion of private 3D ultrasound businesses. For about $200 the parents can get a video 3D keepsake of the ultrasound, and for a smaller fee they can find out the gender only. These so-called entertainment ultrasounds are so popular they are often given as baby gifts.

Many of these businesses state that they do not do ultrasounds to determine fetal sex until 20 weeks. This is also the point where it becomes more difficult to have an abortion.

Yet, about two-thirds of the businesses visited by the CBC agreed to test for gender earlier than 20 weeks. Five of them agreed to test at as early as 14 weeks of pregnancy.

“Personally it’s shocking to me,” says Kaur. “It’s very unfortunate that people who are in this business are actually in this business for the wrong reason."

UC Baby in Richmond, B.C., was willing to do the gender test at 17 weeks. The woman captured by our hidden cameras also appeared open to discussing the idea of an abortion if the fetus turned out to be female. “You don’t want another girl, right? Yeah, that’s the problem,” she told our undercover producer, who said she had two girls already and was unsure about having a third. “You come here between 17 to 18 weeks, we tell you if it is a boy or a girl, if it’s a boy, fine you keep, if it’s a baby girl then you need to talk to family doctor.”

In another exchange, at Modern Non Diagnostic Imaging Centre in Brampton, Ont., the CBC’s undercover producer was told she could have the gender tested right there and then, even when she said she was only 14 weeks pregnant. “Yeah, I will do it right now,” said the operator, Dr. Ravi Thakur.

When approached by CBC for an on-camera interview, the owner of Modern Non Diagnostic Imaging Centre said he doesn’t consider himself responsible for what people do with the information he provides. “That is their problem, that is not my problem,” says Thakur.

Ubhi says most of his patients are happy with the prospect of either a boy or a girl. However, he says, he sometimes has patients who pressure him to send them early for an ultrasound. “I would ask them, why do you want an early ultrasound and if they say specifically we want to have, you know, the sex looked at, and I feel very strongly that that’s not right.”

Tina Ureten is the president and founder of UC Baby, Canada’s largest chain of 3D ultrasound businesses, with 30 outlets spread across the country.

According to Ureten, it’s the policy at her centres not to test for gender before 20 weeks of pregnancy. However, eight out of 10 UC Baby clinics tested by CBC agreed to do the gender assessment before 20 weeks.

“That surprises me,” she told the CBC, after being shown some of the hidden camera footage filmed in her clinics. “I think they are not aware people are using that service for gender selection,” she says.

“Most of our clients come for enjoyment and to get ready for the pregnancy. We don't see too many of those families that try to abort their babies after spending that money.”

However, she says all of the clinics, which operate as franchises, will be reminded of the rules and risk being shut down if they don’t comply.

There are no laws or regulations in Canada about when the gender of a fetus can be identified by an ultrasound. Nor is it illegal to abort a fetus in Canada based on its gender. That’s not the case in India, China and the United Kingdom, all which have taken steps to make it illegal to abort a fetus based on gender.

Dr. Ubhi says Canadian laws may need to change, but he says even then that won’t be enough to stop the practice. “We need to give education to these people and say, and you know what? A child is a child and girls are very important to the perpetuation of our community, and stop killing them, seriously.”

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  • Soviet Revolution 2012/08/04 18:23:51
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    Soviet Revolution
    +1
    All abortion minus rape or threat to the mothere life should br criminalized and aren't there pills as an alternative?
    Also unless its rape the father should have a say a damn baby isn't part of the mother its another human being. Id lose it if I had kids and the girl wanted to kill it off and I had no say under the false label of "Womens Rights" seriously.
  • skroehr 2012/08/01 16:03:27
    YES!
    skroehr
    +1
    All abortion should be criminalized. The Gender based is even uglier, and deeper into the philosophies of eugenics than non-specific abortion. It is special ugliness, which in no way can be defended even by the farthest left wing liberal progressive mindset. There is simply no adequate argument for it. It is a eugenic tactic of communist regimes as they begin the takeover of a people.
  • DemonChild 2012/07/07 04:54:49
    YES!
    DemonChild
    +1
    Think about it, if your not deliberately trying to save yourself from future strife (money, hardship of raising a child) then how is this justifiable?

    PRO LIFE for LIFE!
  • apacheh... DemonChild 2012/07/07 13:32:15
    apachehellfire65
    even then i can't find justification for this practice. it's based purely on the gender of the fetus.
  • DemonChild apacheh... 2012/07/07 19:26:14
    DemonChild
    +1
    i know!
  • Dave The Canuck 2012/06/23 03:14:58
    YES!
    Dave The Canuck
    +2
    Absolutely. Some parents are blessed with a baby and they kill it just because it's not the gender they wanted?
  • Sayer Stewart 2012/06/15 23:07:15 (edited)
    YES!
    Sayer Stewart
    +1
    All abortion should be illegal.
  • Cliff 2012/06/14 11:55:13
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    +4
    All abortion should be criminalized.
  • Dave Th... Cliff 2012/06/23 03:15:21
    Dave The Canuck
    I agree.
  • gaylehelen 2012/06/14 09:39:47
    YES!
    gaylehelen
    +2
    The Gendercide headline stunned me.
    I honestly am at a loss for words. Wow!
    Disgusting comes to mind first.
    It is a mad, mad world getting madder and madder every day (as insane).
  • apacheh... gaylehelen 2012/06/14 11:39:22
    apachehellfire65
    +1
    i agree. regardless if your pro-choice or pro-life. i don't see how anyone can agree with this practice.
  • gaylehelen apacheh... 2012/06/14 12:46:46
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    +2
    Thanks and I agree with your logic. The more I think about this practice, the more it scares me and disgusts me.
  • Matt Gray 2012/06/14 00:28:58
    YES!
    Matt Gray
    +2
    Murder should be completely criminalized.
  • Shawna 2012/06/13 21:56:44
    None of the above
    Shawna
    +1
    This is too complicated for me to have a black or white opinion. I am horrified by the practice of aborting due to gender.
  • Contarded Chickenhawk Con S... 2012/06/13 21:31:20
    YES!
    Contarded Chickenhawk Con Slayer
    +4
    Now that's just crossing the line...

    Picking the sex to determine whether to abort or not just isn't right.
  • BigFig#9 2012/06/13 21:25:49
    NO!
    BigFig#9
    +1
    Lots of stuff is morally wrong but if you can't enforce it without invasive measures, don't make it a law.
  • apacheh... BigFig#9 2012/06/13 21:32:46 (edited)
    apachehellfire65
    what would be so evasive? if a woman willingly seeks these services then then they get disqualified to receive a abortion. its their own choice to do it.
  • BigFig#9 apacheh... 2012/06/13 21:40:00
    BigFig#9
    You are stepping between a physician and their patient and if the patient told the doctor why and the doctor refused the abortion, there's all sorts of other doctors...
  • apacheh... BigFig#9 2012/06/13 21:45:23
    apachehellfire65
    the patient would be documented and bared from any doctor preforming the procedure. or we could just make it illegal for any health care provider or company to disclose the gender till after 20 weeks.
  • BigFig#9 apacheh... 2012/06/13 21:54:18
    BigFig#9
    So a Libertarian wants to establish rules and bureaucracy to oversee the Doctor Patient relationship? Some Libertarian you are! Should Docs and Priest be required to also report and help enforce use of illegal drugs? How about psychiatrists and priests who learn of illegal business deals or other criminal activity? Where does this stop and HOW would someone who identifies themselves as a Libertarian ever even start traveling down this road?
  • apacheh... BigFig#9 2012/06/13 22:05:48
    apachehellfire65
    +1
    because my moral obligation to defend and protect innocent children far out weighs any bullchit political affiliations i may have.
  • BigFig#9 apacheh... 2012/06/13 22:17:34
    BigFig#9
    You've cut to the crux of the whole abortion (and even birth control) issue which is as long as people have convinced themselves that a Zygote (and then an embryo) is human life then it is very difficult to not consider abortion murder. I have no cure for that other than to say the majority believes otherwise but on fundamental matters of conscience and belief 'democracy' becomes secondary.
  • apacheh... BigFig#9 2012/06/13 22:36:37
    apachehellfire65
    well this is my opinion. but i resigned myself to this fact long ago. it is just MY opinion. some agree with me and some don't. but this act goes so far over the moral line i do not see how even pro abortion people can agree with this.it is not even a choice as much as it is a crime.
  • BigFig#9 apacheh... 2012/06/14 15:30:59
    BigFig#9
    +1
    I respect (though may disagree) with your opinion. It's no less valid than anybody else's and is probably well considered. I do think however that any time a 'law' is considered we have to have very deep considerations of enforceability, impact to existing rights and the precedents were setting. Too many laws are established out of knee jerk reactions and repulsion to things we can't really control - prostitution, drug use, gambling etc... may need laws to control but the laws we often get simply create black markets much less controlled and much more violent than they could be.

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