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Should gays be allowed to marry? Can they raise healthy kids? Have you heard of Zach Wahls?

chicago 2011/12/07 17:03:31
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Raised by two lesbian mothers in Iowa, Zach is a 19 year old college student speaking about the love and strength of his family. Here he is talking to the State House, in Iowa, about the debate to change the Iowa constitution which would end civil unions in the state. Or, as Zach puts it "to codify discrimination into our constitution". Zach goes on to say "You are telling Iowan's that, some among you, are second class citizens who do not have the right to marry the person you love". And then asks the chairman "Will this vote affect my family....would it affect yours?"

His last statement "...the sexual orientation of my parents has had zero affect on the content of my character".

Should the government make it illegal for people of the same sex to have civil unions and/or marriage?

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  • Doug King 2012/01/16 18:15:46
    Undecided
    Doug King
    +1
    Gays should be allowed to have civil unions which are just like marriage but with a different name.
  • alex hi... Doug King 2012/03/16 18:37:24
  • ChrisCopper 2011/12/26 08:19:50
    No, goverment should stay out determing who can get married.
    ChrisCopper
    +1
    It's annoying that certain conservatives continue to be stupid and stubborn even when faced with this smart young man.
  • Daniel 2011/12/23 14:39:55
    Yes, government should regulate marriage
    Daniel
    This kid's a perfect example of what kind of idiots gay couples can raise.
  • chicago Daniel 2011/12/23 15:39:43
    chicago
    +3
    I can understand how you would feel that way given that he's articulate, calm and reasonable/logical in his presentation. That he's successful in both business and school, that he doesn't call his detractors names (like, I don't know "idiots") that he doesn't sink to the level of attacking those who are against him, but rather describes his life and the solid, loving, foundation his parents have provided him. Given such a stark difference between your two styles and I can imagine how infuriating that it is and how angry that must make you.
  • Daniel chicago 2011/12/23 19:59:40
    Daniel
    You missed his complete lack of any common sense. No anger, I just feel sorry for him. That's called compassion.
  • chicago Daniel 2011/12/23 21:53:30
    chicago
    +3
    Got it, I'm more old school. When I feel compassion for someone I treat them with dignity, respect and try and lend a listening ear, even if I don't agree with them. You demonstrate compassion by accusing someone of "having no common sense" and how he's a "perfect example of what kind of idiots gay couples raise". Your sensitivity of spirit and commitment to kindness really exemplify the spirit of the season....
  • Daniel chicago 2011/12/24 02:31:15
    Daniel
    They raised a kid to approve of gay marriage. I could brainwash my kids too but let the choose their own paths. This kid wasn't afforded that chance.
  • chicago Daniel 2011/12/24 04:03:53
    chicago
    +1
    So, just so I understand, if one of your kids were to grow up gay, or supportive of gay marriage, you'd be supportive...
  • Daniel chicago 2011/12/24 08:29:03
    Daniel
    No more than if they told me child molestation was ok. Some victims begin to accept their molestations as ok and normal much like the young man in this topic. He was put in a perverted environment and now thinks it's normal.
  • Daniel chicago 2011/12/24 08:34:08
    Daniel
    As much as I would if they supported child molestation. If it's a sexual perversion I'm not going to support it.
  • chicago Daniel 2011/12/24 14:02:22 (edited)
    chicago
    +3
    Well then, you are clearly a WWJD kind of guy.....I can just imagine the day you have planned today, full of family, laughter, joy, acceptance, love, forgiveness. Have a great Christmas Eve sunshine. Though I really hope you're not working at a women's abuse center (somehow I think that's not the case), just because your brand of compassion they could probably do without today. You know, wait until Monday before you give them that "tough love" combination of righteousness, condemnation, criticism, abuse and hypocrisy... or what you call compassion.
  • Daniel chicago 2011/12/24 16:44:11
    Daniel
    Spending it with my kids and grand kids. Tough love is true compassion yet most think lies are better. Jesus showed the same compassion. Why do you possibly think they nailed him up. People like you couldn't grasp the true meaning of the word.
  • chicago Daniel 2011/12/24 16:57:19 (edited)
    chicago
    +1
    Condemn me all you wish, if you would like to fool yourself that that is how Jesus would interact with someone, that is your right. Of all the attributes you show, hypocrisy really screams the loudest, though your lack of accountability comes close, which I guess makes sense because hypocrites are unwilling to be responsible for their words.
  • Daniel chicago 2011/12/24 18:24:00
    Daniel
    Hate to break this to you, but only God can condemn. I merely don't approve and calling me name's because I don't agree with gay sex is kind've childish don't you think?
  • chicago Daniel 2011/12/24 18:32:06
    chicago
    As I said, you're a hypocrite and unwilling to take accountability for your own words. It took you 10 words to to call this kid an idiot on your very first post in here. Go back and look at it. There have been several folks, in here, who I have not agreed with but none who resorted to name calling right out of the shoot. I know you won't take responsibility for your words, I know you won't be accountable and say "I apologize for starting this conversation by calling someone an idiot" but a man would. Not calling you a name, a hypocrite is "someone who pretends to be who he is not" you pretend to be that you are above name calling (you even accuse me of it) when, in fact, you lead with it.
  • Daniel chicago 2011/12/25 04:02:44
    Daniel
    Did I call you an idiot? Did I call you any name? Then guess I don't you any apology do I. It be kind of silly to show strong successful women who were raped and use it to justify rape because it turned them into strong women.
  • chicago Daniel 2011/12/25 05:41:24 (edited)
    chicago
    Ah, so your standard is it's ok to call someone an idiot, just so long as they're not within earshot and cannot defend themselves. To be clear, I never expected an apology from you as you don't demonstrate the character traits which I'd expect that from in a man, to wit:
    1) Men don't call people names, that's what children do (or you)
    2) If a man is so moved to call someone a name he certainly will do it to that persons face, not from hiding (you do)
    3) If a man is called out on his act of childishness, he accepts responsibility and doesn't say "I didn't call you an idiot, i called someone else, who isn't here to defend themselves, an idiot." (as you have done).

    Hypocrites always defend their actions, men take responsibility for them. You will continue to defend one thing after another, you'll call someone an "idiot" then call that "compassion" and see that as logical and reasonable. I got it, I'm clear. Asking you to man up and be accountable is (as my grandfather used to say) like trying to teach a pig to play pinochle, its a waste of my time and it really irritates the pig. You strike me as the kind of guy that really needs to get the last word in, so I'll let you have it, you may fire when you are ready Gridley. I'm done wasting my time..
  • Daniel chicago 2011/12/25 11:59:59
    Daniel
    More names. Again where do I owe you an apology? You're the hypocrite here. I didn't what you've written above. I said calling ME NAMES BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU IS CHILDISH. Typical LWNJ only seeing their side and one way. Makes it hard to communicate with. You don't even respond to my comments or answer the questions. Of course you can't because it would mean you owed me an apology and you're not big enough to do it anyways. Besides you LWNJ won't admit you're wrong anyways.
  • ChrisCo... Daniel 2011/12/26 08:14:16
    ChrisCopper
    +4
    I think that if she was wrong, she would apologize. She seems like a sensible, well-mannered intelligent person with a grasp of what the word 'hypocrisy' really means, unlike you.
  • Daniel ChrisCo... 2011/12/26 14:57:35
    Daniel
    Obviously not as she couldn't answer a simple question and you don't seem much brighter than her either.
  • alex hi... Daniel 2012/03/16 18:39:55
  • Daniel alex hi... 2012/03/17 00:09:46
    Daniel
    More trailer trash, great. Come back when you grow up.
  • alex hi... Daniel 2012/03/17 20:11:21
    alex hilson
    wow im no a got dam hippie or a redneck bicth you dont know me so dont call me trailer trash cause you look like it your dam self i am a human being oh ok old man
  • Daniel alex hi... 2012/03/17 20:57:46
    Daniel
    You're no lady and have the mouth of trailer trash or a ghetto tramp. Doesn't matter if I know you it's how you represent.
  • alex hi... Daniel 2012/03/17 21:06:21
  • Daniel alex hi... 2012/03/17 22:15:54
    Daniel
    Wasn't calling you names just pointing out facts. I've none people with class living in trailers and ghettos. Most of those were raised by parents. You were obviously raised by trash.
  • alex hi... Daniel 2012/03/17 22:22:13
    alex hilson
    wow so your juge in now ok even if i was raised by trash i still act better then you i met monkeys with more class then you step up pops
  • Daniel alex hi... 2012/03/17 22:49:36
    Daniel
    It's judge and you wouldn't know Class if it ran you over. You'd have to be around it to even know it and people with Class would have nothing to do with you.
  • alex hi... Daniel 2012/03/17 22:56:20
  • Soms Cougli 2011/12/23 12:56:06
    No, goverment should stay out determing who can get married.
    Soms Cougli
    +1
    No one should have a say in taking the rights of two loving people in their decision as consenting adults to join in marriage.
  • Arianne 2011/12/17 11:46:26
    No, goverment should stay out determing who can get married.
    Arianne
    +1
    Its called equal rights.

    And for the people who think gay marriage = pedophilia think again. The marriage of 2 consenting adults is a far cry from forcing a child into a marriage.
  • Larry 2011/12/17 03:28:46
    No, goverment should stay out determing who can get married.
    Larry
    Civil unions yes, marriage no.
  • aliycat 2011/12/10 19:24:40
    No, goverment should stay out determing who can get married.
    aliycat
    +1
    I'm not really aganist laws on age or the sabilty of marriage.
    But I do think two poeple of the same sex can be a stable marriage also.
  • Songbird 2011/12/08 23:39:30
    Undecided
    Songbird
    There are some needs for regulation, yes. Same sex marriages should not be excluded from the right to be married, but I think marriage should be allowed between two consenting adults.
  • Hobbitt / Oldsquid 2011/12/07 19:34:57
    Undecided
    Hobbitt / Oldsquid
    I could give a large rodent's rectum if these people want do whatever in the privacy of their o homes.. but I know sure as we are all drawing breath that as soon as the gay marriage is legalized across the board the next thing will be pedophiles, bestiality, and who know what else wanting their own proclivities to be recognized... they will say well you let the gays do it why not us...this is gonna bite us on the ass soon.
  • Ash Hobbitt... 2011/12/24 17:30:39
    Ash
    +1
    Pedophiles and beastiality has nothing to do with gays. Its not even in the same category.
  • Hobbitt... Ash 2011/12/24 19:08:01
    Hobbitt / Oldsquid
    Prove it..
  • Ash Hobbitt... 2011/12/28 01:14:58
    Ash
    Prove that it does!
  • Hobbitt... Ash 2011/12/28 16:06:34
    Hobbitt / Oldsquid
    A polygamous family made famous on a reality television show is asking a Utah federal judge not to block their challenge of the state's bigamy law.

    Kody Brown and wives Meri, Janelle, Christine and Robyn filed a lawsuit in Salt Lake City's U.S. District Court in July. Oral arguments in the case are set for Friday before U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups.

    The stars of the TLC show "Sister Wives" said the law is unconstitutional because it prohibits them from living together and criminalizes their private sexual relationships.

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    Sister Wives (TLC)

    Under Utah law, people are guilty of bigamy if they have multiple marriage licenses, or if they cohabitate with another consenting adult in a marriage-like relationship.

    Formerly of Lehi, the Browns and their 17 children moved to Nevada in January after police launched a bigamy investigation. The Browns practice as part of their religious beliefs.

    Oral arguments in the case are set for Friday in Salt Lake City's U.S. District Court.

    It's not clear when Waddoups will rule.

    State prosecutors contend the Browns -- who haven't been charged -- aren't facing any real harm because the state has rarely prosecuted individuals for bigamy without also prosecuting for other crimes, such as underage marriages, sexual abuse or welfare f...



















    A polygamous family made famous on a reality television show is asking a Utah federal judge not to block their challenge of the state's bigamy law.

    Kody Brown and wives Meri, Janelle, Christine and Robyn filed a lawsuit in Salt Lake City's U.S. District Court in July. Oral arguments in the case are set for Friday before U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups.

    The stars of the TLC show "Sister Wives" said the law is unconstitutional because it prohibits them from living together and criminalizes their private sexual relationships.

    sisterwivestlc

    Sister Wives (TLC)

    Under Utah law, people are guilty of bigamy if they have multiple marriage licenses, or if they cohabitate with another consenting adult in a marriage-like relationship.

    Formerly of Lehi, the Browns and their 17 children moved to Nevada in January after police launched a bigamy investigation. The Browns practice as part of their religious beliefs.

    Oral arguments in the case are set for Friday in Salt Lake City's U.S. District Court.

    It's not clear when Waddoups will rule.

    State prosecutors contend the Browns -- who haven't been charged -- aren't facing any real harm because the state has rarely prosecuted individuals for bigamy without also prosecuting for other crimes, such as underage marriages, sexual abuse or welfare fraud.

    "They have not been warned that if they do not cease to engage in their polygamous relationships that legal actions will be taken against them," Assistant Utah Attorney General Jerrold S. Jensen has said in court papers asking the judge to dismiss the case.

    "And -- what is probably the tipping point -- there have been no arrests or prosecutions for the mere practice of polygamy in Utah in over 50 years."

    A check of state court records by The Associated Press found at least two cases, however.

    Bob Foster had three wives when he was arrested and charged with bigamy in 1974. He pleaded no contest and was sentenced to six months in Jail. He was released after 21 days and ordered to serve five years of probation. A judge also said Foster was not allowed to live with his families. Foster died from cancer in 2008. He was still married to all three women.

    Mark Easterday was arrested and charged with bigamy in 1999. Authorities were alerted to Easterday's multiple marriage by his first wife as part of a custody battle during their divorce. He ultimately pleaded no contest to adultery because the divorce was finalized before the bigamy case went to trial. Easterday was sentenced to probation.

    Easterday, who left Utah and is currently married to two women, told The Associated Press he believes the Browns are right to fear a bigamy prosecution.

    "I know from experience that they do prosecute," Easterday said. I think they should change the law over the entire country. Why it is that in some places a woman and a woman can be married, but a man can't have another wife?"

    Polygamy in Utah and across much of the Intermountain West is a legacy of 19th century Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Mormons abandoned the practice of plural marriage in the 1890s as a condition of Utah's statehood. The church now excommunicates members found engaging in polygamy.

    An estimated 38,000 self-described Mormon fundamentalists continue the practice, believing it brings exaltation in heaven. Most keep their way of life a secret. In most cases, polygamous men are legally married to their first wives and marry subsequent brides only religious ceremonies.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entert...
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