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Should Gay Couple Sue Vermont Inn for Refusing to Host Their Reception?

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Lesbian couple Katherine Baker and Ming-Lien Linsley were looking forward to their fully legal Vermont wedding later this year, and especially to their reception, which they had planned on booking at the Wildflower Inn in Lyndonville.

The Vermont Convention Bureau said it would be the "perfect ... destination wedding" reception location.

Only, it wasn't. Because the Wildflower Inn's keepers "do not host gay receptions" due to personal opposition, ABC News reports.

According to Dan Barrett, an attorney with the Vermont Chapter of the ACLU, that puts the O'Reillys in violation of the law. "We believe this is a straightforward violation. Businesses open to the general public must serve all customers. ... They cannot turn people away based on sexual orientation. That section of the law has been on the books in Vermont since 1992."

Baker and Linsley are now filing a lawsuit against the inn, claiming that the location treats pets better than they do homosexuals. (ABC News claims that the Wildflower "rolls out the welcome mat" for family pets, though we're not sure if they mean that literally.)

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  • Sherlock Dog BL - a Gazillion 2012/05/21 22:51:28
  • keith_loney 2012/02/03 03:46:06 (edited)
    No
    keith_loney
    +2
    The hotel owners have the right to refuse to cater to homosexual perversion.

    The American Communists Looking to Undermine (ACLU) needs to butt out.

    Furthermore, businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone. How many times have you seen the sign in the windows of businesses "We reserve the right to refuse services..."
  • darazan keith_l... 2012/05/22 15:59:57
    darazan
    But not if it's discrimination, which is really the issue here. It would be no different if the inn had said "we do not host Jewish receptions." It's really not about gays, it's about the discrimination, which is illegal.
  • Katherine darazan 2013/03/30 05:03:57
    Katherine
    Great, so they'll be forced to serve drug addicts and prostitutes soon enough when it's their own private business.
  • Kae Kam 2012/01/31 18:15:10
    No
    Kae Kam
    I support gay marriage, but I also support a business owner's right to choose his/her clients.
  • Jay98 2012/01/03 14:37:00
    Yes
    Jay98
    i don't mean to cause waves but as an establishment it is your legal obligation to provided services to all customers. When you own a business your personal opinion of anyone doesn't matter one jot. Business is business and personal opinion is personal opinion. An inn is not your home. They are your clients and not guests you've invited to come over. If they turned up with a body in a bag but there was no law against it then you would still serve them like any customer. An efficient network of professional businesses it what keeps the economy running. Personal ideals, beliefs and tastes have no place in the business world.
  • iamco2000 2011/10/05 17:15:06
    No
    iamco2000
    +1
    As a native Vermonter and an entrepreneur I say good for them. Just because a state permits a certain practice (say, civil unions), doesn't mean they can enforce or demand privately held, non-state-owned, businesses support it. If an event, such as this one, would detract, defame, impede, reflect poorly on, disturb other patrons of, interrupt or diminish the reputation and/or business practices/beliefs (ie their ability to make profits) of the owners/stakeholders.....in other words, be bad for business, (or, say the business doesn't want to become a haven or be associated with being a haven for a particular crowd), then I would say they acted in the best interest of the business. Businesses all over the country and world can freely deny service to anyone they deem "bad for business" and many shop and small companies get concealed carry permits to ensure their ability to keep out anyone they choose. "No saggy pants", "Shirts & Shoes Required", "No political shirts", "NO Irish Need Apply", "Hippies enter through the back", "No Bikers Permitted"...all used in various parts of the world, all legit, all legal...guess what, gays are a group as well and if a business deems the gay crowd as bad for business....check this out...its called the YELLOW PAGES. Ya know how many hotels I...







    As a native Vermonter and an entrepreneur I say good for them. Just because a state permits a certain practice (say, civil unions), doesn't mean they can enforce or demand privately held, non-state-owned, businesses support it. If an event, such as this one, would detract, defame, impede, reflect poorly on, disturb other patrons of, interrupt or diminish the reputation and/or business practices/beliefs (ie their ability to make profits) of the owners/stakeholders.....in other words, be bad for business, (or, say the business doesn't want to become a haven or be associated with being a haven for a particular crowd), then I would say they acted in the best interest of the business. Businesses all over the country and world can freely deny service to anyone they deem "bad for business" and many shop and small companies get concealed carry permits to ensure their ability to keep out anyone they choose. "No saggy pants", "Shirts & Shoes Required", "No political shirts", "NO Irish Need Apply", "Hippies enter through the back", "No Bikers Permitted"...all used in various parts of the world, all legit, all legal...guess what, gays are a group as well and if a business deems the gay crowd as bad for business....check this out...its called the YELLOW PAGES. Ya know how many hotels I've been rejected from because I was traveling with dogs? Did I sue? No...I went online and found a pet friendly hotel...DOH!

    Just because the legislature of VT permits "Gay Marriage", doesn't mean that its a perspective held by all (esp. native Vermonters...as in, the ones who grew up and live there, not just the ones that came up from CT or NY because all of a sudden they can "marry" their partner). Its actually a point of frustration that often gets swept under the rug or pointed to as hold outs (I mean, how dare we have an opinion that differs from the group think wisdom, oh that's right...we were here first...I will remind those who take offense to this statement that VT law interprets the 2nd Amendment in a way that "Gun Control" means using both hands!).

    The further you cram your gay agenda down peoples throats, esp in states that didn't ask for it (the real natives anyway), (and I know I'm going to get trolled for this)...the less welcomed you are. You're not owed anything because you identify yourself as gay and show up one day. You don't deserve a welcome mat on every door step your holy feet may tread on simply because you show up. I have uncles and cousins, parents and grandparents before them, that fought in wars defending and protecting your freedoms and ability to run your unappreciative mouths (mouths that have no clue or care what that freedom costs) that can barely afford their groceries, let alone property taxes, and they've paid into the system for more years than most of you have been alive. Yet, you show up like you own the place, stick around for 4 minutes and expect the state to just change their laws because you've bought beer at the same place more than twice.

    There ought to be a clause in the law that reads "so long as both intended partners to be have graced this state with their presences for more than 15 years each"). You'd see a mass exodus right back to Provincetown or where ever the heck it was you came from to begin with, like the Phish concert was going back down 89 and leaving the street....what a glorious day that would be for Vermont!

    In fact, why don't you do that, we native Vermonters, the ones with birthright claims to this majestic state, DONT WANT YOU HERE! Go back to your own states and stop driving up the economy, my parents can't even afford to retire in the state their grandparents were born, lived and died in (I myself am a 6th generation Vermonter.....forced to move south for job opportunities, because of crap like this)...you should be lucky a polite denial was all you were greeted with....most native Vermonters would have brought along their pals Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson and aimed just a smidge above that bright rainbow trail streaming from out your backside (which is coincidentally the only thing they want to see....that moving away from the state at a rate faster then it came streaming in!)...Go away, get a life and leave VT before the natives DO decide to TAKE BACK VERMONT!
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  • Bob 2011/09/28 13:49:17
    No
    Bob
    +2
    God's immutable laws have not been repealed! All of His laws have reasons beyond our comprehension! Mere mankind cannot repeal the laws of the One, Only, Unique Creator of the universe!
  • darazan Bob 2012/05/22 16:11:15
    darazan
    This isn't about religion or religious law. This is about secular laws and discrimination.
  • JocelynCanning 2011/09/24 00:58:55
    Yes
    JocelynCanning
    yes
  • rugrat1411 2011/08/22 15:33:40
    No
    rugrat1411
    +2
    A place of buisness should be allowed to serve who ever they want when ever they want...
  • virginia 2011/08/19 22:34:22
    No
    virginia
  • Chuck 2011/08/12 15:27:56
    Yes
    Chuck
    Being a business they should not be discriminating in any form regardless what their personal agenda is or is not its no different from discriminating based on natural origin.
  • devin.c... Chuck 2011/08/23 06:17:00 (edited)
    devin.cassidy
    +4
    That's ridiculous. It's a business owner's right, indeed RESPONSIBILITY to discriminately choose with whom he wishes to do business. Otherwise your right to the freedom of association is being violated. A lawyer can choose to not take on a client, why can an Inn not choose to host somebody's shindig, for whatever reason?

    I'm certain if the circumstances were different, and the group launching the suit were a white supremacist organisation, you'd be singing a very different tune.
  • darazan devin.c... 2011/09/06 20:31:11
    darazan
    +2
    Private and public organizations have different laws governing them. "Businesses open to the general public must serve all customers. ... They cannot turn people away based on sexual orientation. That section of the law has been on the books in Vermont since 1992." This inn is open to the public, so they are breaking the law for turning them away based on sexual orientation. There are too many people comparing private business to public businesses. They are different. A lawyer can choose not to take on a client, they are a private business. However an inn which is open to the general public cannot choose to not host a reception on the basis of sexual orientation; that's discrimination, and that's illegal.
  • Sherloc... darazan 2012/05/21 23:02:38
  • devin.c... darazan 2012/05/24 05:32:18
  • darazan devin.c... 2012/05/25 20:27:58
    darazan
    http://www.glad.org/rights/ve...

    Here's what it states about "Public Accommodations"

    "Public Accommodations
    What is a “place of public accommodation”?
    A place of public accommodation means “any school, restaurant, store, establishment or other facility at which services, facilities, goods, privileges, advantages, benefits, or accommodations are offered to the general public.”13

    What does the law say about discrimination in places of public accommodation?
    Such places may not, on account of a person’s sexual orientation, gender identity, marital status, or other protected characteristic, “refuse, withhold from or deny to that person any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of the place of public accommodation.”14

    The protections based on marital status mean that a place of public accommodation may not discriminate against parties to a civil union.15

    There is an exception to this rule, stating that this law does not prohibit an establishment that provides lodging to transient guests (i.e. hotels, inns) with five or fewer rooms from restricting its accommodations based on sex or marital status.16

    Public schools in Vermont are considered public accommodations and so students are protected from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. Se...



    http://www.glad.org/rights/ve...

    Here's what it states about "Public Accommodations"

    "Public Accommodations
    What is a “place of public accommodation”?
    A place of public accommodation means “any school, restaurant, store, establishment or other facility at which services, facilities, goods, privileges, advantages, benefits, or accommodations are offered to the general public.”13

    What does the law say about discrimination in places of public accommodation?
    Such places may not, on account of a person’s sexual orientation, gender identity, marital status, or other protected characteristic, “refuse, withhold from or deny to that person any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of the place of public accommodation.”14

    The protections based on marital status mean that a place of public accommodation may not discriminate against parties to a civil union.15

    There is an exception to this rule, stating that this law does not prohibit an establishment that provides lodging to transient guests (i.e. hotels, inns) with five or fewer rooms from restricting its accommodations based on sex or marital status.16

    Public schools in Vermont are considered public accommodations and so students are protected from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. See the section on Students’ Rights for further information about the rights and protections for public school students."



    The Wildflower Inn does not qualify for the exception, as they do not have 5 or fewer rooms. So, according to the law, the inn cannot deny them the use of their facilities or accommodations based on sexual orientation, gender identity, marital status, or any other protected characteristic.
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  • devin.c... darazan 2012/05/28 15:42:35
    devin.cassidy
    +1
    That's from glad, an interested party, what does the state say?
  • darazan devin.c... 2012/05/30 06:52:48
    darazan
    That is true, it's simply explaining the law and what it means. Here's the wording for you:

    Vermont Statutes, Title 9, Chapter 139, § 4502 (a). "An owner or operator of a place of public accommodation or an agent or employee of such owner or operator shall not, because of the race, creed, color, national origin, marital status, sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity of any person, refuse, withhold from, or deny to that person any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, and privileges of the place of public accommodation."
  • devin.c... darazan 2012/05/24 05:33:37
    devin.cassidy
    If somebody turned me away for being straight I wouldn't complain, a business owner has a natural right to choose his or her clientèle
  • Sherloc... Chuck 2012/05/21 22:59:09
  • Colin Rose 2011/08/10 02:06:20
    No
    Colin Rose
    Would they be breaking thje law if they invited the Westboro Baptist Church to stay at their inn over the weekend. Therre are many creative ways to deal with this.
  • RF90035 2011/08/09 23:14:58
    Yes
    RF90035
    Being a business they should not be discriminating in any form regardless what their personal agenda is or is not its no different from discriminating based on natural origin
  • Rachel 2011/08/09 21:51:52
    Yes
    Rachel
    +1
    I mean that is pretty ridiculous! But I for sure don't agree with thier type of lifestyle, but it is what it is.
  • shadow76 2011/08/08 19:29:30
    No
    shadow76
    +3
    A business has a right to do business with whomever they want.
  • darazan shadow76 2011/08/20 00:48:59
    darazan
    True, a business does have that right, but only if it's not discriminating. If they don't give a reason for refusal, and it's just speculated that it's because the couple is gay with no proof, then that's one thing. However, if the innkeepers said that it's because the couple is gay, then that's discrimination and it's beyond their legal right to refuse. It's all in semantics, really.
  • shadow76 darazan 2011/08/20 01:08:33
    shadow76
    Maybe the Business knew them. Maybe that wasn't thye real reason, there are some different kinds of activists that do this alot.
  • devin.c... darazan 2011/08/23 06:25:31
    devin.cassidy
    +2
    That's actually not true. Nobody has a legal right to not be "discriminated" against in the private sector. Countless rulings on the right of the Boy Scouts to exclude homosexuals and atheists has made this plain. The Bill Of Rights and the constitution in general apply to the government's relation with the citizens, not citizens relations with each other.
  • darazan devin.c... 2011/09/06 20:25:32
    darazan
    The Boy Scouts is a private organization, the inn is open to the public. Therein lies the distinction.
  • devin.c... darazan 2012/05/24 05:29:16
    devin.cassidy
    +1
    The Inn is still a private business, like the scouts are a private organisation. The distinction doezs not stand
  • darazan devin.c... 2012/05/25 20:38:57
    darazan
    The inn may not be owned by the state or federal government, but it is what is considered a "place of public accommodation" which services, facilities, etc. are open to the general public. As such, they cannot discriminate against sexual orientation or marital status, along with many other protected characteristics.
  • jimbritttn darazan 2011/09/01 17:50:48
    jimbritttn
    +1
    The US Constitution DOES NOT say that individuals and private business can be force to allow undesirables on their property! The 10th Amendment specifically says what STATES can and can't do, not private citizens on private property! The "Equal Rights" laws are UNCONSTITUTIONAL when applied to private citizens
  • darazan jimbritttn 2011/09/06 20:32:12
    darazan
    This is not a private business. It's open to the general public.
  • darazan darazan 2012/05/22 16:25:06
    darazan
    Jimbritttn, this is not directed at you, but at Sherlock, since I apparently cannot reply to his comments (I suspect he's blocked me for no reason other than not agreeing with him), but I just wanted to get this out there.

    This case would be no different and I would feel no different about it had it been any other group that were being discriminated against. It is true that a business has the right to refuse service to anyone, but not for any reason. They cannot refuse service based on race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc. I would still be saying this if this was a Jewish couple or any other group. Regardless of your or my personal feelings for or against gays and their lifestyle, discrimination is illegal. Saying that a gay couple cannot host their reception in a particular place (that is not a church or religious institution) simply because you personally disagree with homosexuality is discrimination and is just as illegal as saying that a black couple couldn't use your facilities simply because they were black, or that a man couldn't check into your inn simply because you don't happen to like men. In any other situation it would be wrong, no question about it. It's not any different in this case, either.
  • Sherloc... jimbritttn 2012/05/21 23:10:38
  • SC 2011/08/08 15:23:19
    Yes
    SC
    +1
    sure, bring legal action, but not at the expense of ruining the memory of marriage. if it makes the couple feel better to get involved in a court battle, then by all means -go for it- but it may be better just to move on. only the couple know and they may be conflicted.
  • mommyjeans 2011/08/08 05:41:16
    Yes
    mommyjeans
    +2
    its the law in Vermont. What if they didnt like people of different colors, would we be so apathetic about that. i think not. if its good for one than its good for all. They will have to meet the law.
  • jimbritttn mommyjeans 2011/09/01 17:51:26
    jimbritttn
    +1
    The should make this inn a private "club" than they can keep the sexual deviants and their AIDS off their private property!
  • darazan jimbritttn 2011/09/27 17:42:38
    darazan
    I really hope you're joking or trolling. I didn't think someone could be so rude.
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