Should employers be fined for Illegals?

by dallasjoe Posted 2012/01/23 02:49:56

Related Topics: Citizenship, Texas Rangers, Social Security, Rangers, Illegals, Texas, Border Patrol, Clean, Border, Employees, Employers, Plant, Job

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	Deport the Illegals	33 votes	34%
	Deport the employers.strip them of their Citizenship and all Assets. Forfieted Assets would go to the Border Patrol	15 votes	16%
	Let the Employers stay after they have been picked clean	14 votes	15%
	Other:	34 votes	35%

Since Illegals come here for jobs, should the employrys be fined, jailed and lose everything if they hire an Illegal. A few years ago Yom Hicks former of the Texas Rangers has a plant in Cactus TX where they had 150- plus employees who were illegals and using the same Social Security Number

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lcky9 2012/01/23 03:21:17

Let the Employers stay after they have been picked clean

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it goes without saying that the ILLEGALS should be deported but WHOM is going to do it?? In the last 30 years NOT ONE president has bothered to enforce the laws on our books let alone close the borders as MORE violence comes to our country.. As for the employers fine them.. make their lives miserable by posting that they hired illegals and couldn't be bothered to use E-VERIFY.. all money they can get should go to BUILDING THE DAMM FENCE..
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bluejacket 2012/02/05 21:17:54

Other:

Fine the employers, deport the illegals, offer those positions to those on unemployment. Kick them off of unemployment if they don't have a damn good reason for not taking the job.

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Tin Man 2012/02/03 23:19:15

Other:

With escalating fines per and with each infraction. Granted it's a tough situation when you have hungry on your doorstep when you're having trouble feeding your own. But guess who gets fed first in my house?

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dallasjoe to Tin Man 2012/02/04 05:07:50

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No first one lose everything only reason employees hire illegals is to have Modern Day SLAVES

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Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA 2012/01/30 14:03:45

Let the Employers stay after they have been picked clean

Make these employers become retroactive sponsors, making them legally responsible for anything the illegal has done. They would be responsible for all debts, hospital costs, housing etc just like any sponsor. Plus make it retroactive to cover anything from the time the illegal entered the country. They would also be responsible for the cost of repatriation of the illegal.

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dallasjoe to Pedro D... 2012/01/31 18:21:08

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true they are just cost curring scum

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ruthannhausman 2012/01/25 21:56:15

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If the employer has done his due diligence then he should not be penalized if there happen to be any illegals found in his employ. The focus then would be on the people with whom he consulted to determine legal status of the potential employees.

Now, if an employer hires illegals and does so knowingly? Heck yes, penalty needs to be imposed. The amount of that penalty I have not given any thought to, but there should be negative consequences to hiring illegals. It's important.

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dallasjoe to ruthann... 2012/01/26 17:55:02

Ok there was a meat packing plant in Cactus Tx where 152 employees had the same Social Security Numnber and it was owned by Presidental Friend Tom Hicks former owner of the Texas Rangers He should be stripped of his Citizenship and Deported

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ruthann... to dallasjoe 2012/01/26 19:57:37

That's pretty blatant. And definitely a criminal act. Something that huge I'd have to hear all of the facts before I condemn anybody. Don't say I disagree with your suggestion, mind you, but I find it terribly hard to believe such a mega bunch of crapola going on and nothing got done about it. I know back in Capone's day that'd be business as usual, but with today's whistleblower trends and all that's been going on? I don't know, I'll withhold the judgment of any individuals but I won't withhold the anger over the act itself. Somebody's got to pay the piper on that one, I agree.

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dallasjoe to ruthann... 2012/01/27 15:54:31

It was in the Press google Cactus Tx and you will see

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ruthann... to dallasjoe 2012/01/30 20:51:52

What a massive coverup that must have been! And what kind of intimidation to keep their little "secret"? I'm sorry, I'm not 100% dumb, but I have a hard time wrapping my mind around something so egregious. Every time I finally reach a point where I think I can actually trust people a little bit more, whammo, something like this comes to light. Really, really nasty goings on. I will have to look that info up when I have some more time and get more details. I want to know if anybody got "punished" or not and, if so, who and how. Know what I mean? Thanks for the info, though. I do plan on reading about it more. Of course my blood pressure might not like it but....

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Cathy 2012/01/24 21:10:52

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All illegals should be deported back to their country. All employers who hired the illegals to work for them should be fined. These illegal aliens are robbing the American citizens of jobs.

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dallasjoe to Cathy 2012/01/25 17:22:54

NO not fines treated as the criminals that they are

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Cathy to dallasjoe 2012/01/26 16:31:34

Well, okay :o) !

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Evan 2012/01/24 16:58:53

Deport the employers.strip them of their Citizenship and all Assets. Forfiete...

Anyone who is an accessory to a crime should be the same penalties as the one who does the crime. (Coming to the U.S.A. illegally, is...er...illegal....so far, anyway.) That could change, of course.

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clasact 2012/01/24 03:44:54

Let the Employers stay after they have been picked clean

As an employer is your duty to know who you have hired and a little thing like an I 9 tells if your legal or not so if they hire illegals they are just as guilty

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joe ramirez 2012/01/24 01:30:01

Other:

Wishful thinking ,you won't get that with Obama and his administration!

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dallasjoe to joe ram... 2012/01/25 17:24:48

153 employees at Tom Hicks meat packing plant he is also the former owner of the TX Rangers and neighbors of the Appointed one in Dallas

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merlinskiss 2012/01/23 23:02:13

Other:

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How about just a simple yes... And make it a hefty fine while deporting the illegals within 48 hours...

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Andrew 2012/01/23 22:24:31

Deport the Illegals

Enough said.

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wtf 2012/01/23 20:38:06

Other:

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Yes they should be fined for each illegal alien they have employed. The illegals should also be deported.

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Boo 2012/01/23 17:32:20

Deport the Illegals

Allow them to avoid the fine or have it reduced by replacing illegal workers with legal U.S. citizens and legal immigrants.

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Theresa 2012/01/23 17:14:28

Other:

There are enough mechanisms available to the employer to prevent Criminal Aliens from taking American jobs. Employers need to be punished severely to prevent this fraud to be continued.

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Ms Missy 2012/01/23 16:35:48

Let the Employers stay after they have been picked clean

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with a hefty fine for each illegal they are caught with on payroll (or are caught paying under-the-table.) and deport the illegals.

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Bill Rind 2012/01/23 15:30:56

Deport the employers.strip them of their Citizenship and all Assets. Forfiete...

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all illegals should be deported back to there own countries and more so the illegal Chinese, illegal Muslims, illegal Caribbean peoples, Illegal Central & South Americans, and finally the hoards of Mexicans.. Get out, you are not wanted here in the status you are in.

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flrdsgns 2012/01/23 15:02:26

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All businesses should be required to use e-verify. Any business caught hiring illegals should be heavily fined the first time, the second time they should lose their business license and be closed down.

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Doda 2012/01/23 14:32:53

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deport the illegals, then fine the employer a price that will make them think twice about hiring illegals again. They need to drive downtown and put up the homeless and put them to work, I am sure they would rather work and keep what they have vs. losing everything again..

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flrdsgns to Doda 2012/01/23 15:04:26

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Are you kidding? Most of those standing on the side of the road with signs saying will work for food or whatever are simply panhandlers and would rather sit and beg money than actually do labor.

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Doda to flrdsgns 2012/01/26 21:59:24

No I am not kidding, I know a lot of guys that are homeless that will work, they do day labor jobs, yea maybe 2 out of 10 would rather sit on their butts, but for the majority people would rather work than live in the back of the car with their wife and kids,a nd there is lot of them out there, Why because our Congress and Senators could care less as long as they get there big fat pay raise, while the average go is making less than minimum wage.

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Swany 2012/01/23 14:13:30

Deport the employers.strip them of their Citizenship and all Assets. Forfiete...

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jay 2012/01/23 13:59:37

Deport the Illegals

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And fine the employers for the cost of deporting the illegals

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dave b 2012/01/23 13:59:04

Deport the employers.strip them of their Citizenship and all Assets. Forfiete...

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While we cannot strip away someones citizenship or seize all of their assets, I do believe American companies who hire illegals should face some very stiff penalties, including jail time.

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Seonag 2012/01/23 13:51:34

Deport the Illegals

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And heavily fine the employers where it can be shown the knowingly hired illegals (like the example given in the question). I-9's have been required since the last amnesty program in 1986. When those forms first came into being, employers were asked to forward suspicious forms, but that stopped --- probably because too many forms were received. E-verify should be used and the results kept on file.

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Marian 2012/01/23 13:40:11

Let the Employers stay after they have been picked clean

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Fine them and continue to follow up for further violations.. If they continue to hire Illegals than make it a crime and charge them criminally , 3 strike rule !

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Che Guevara - Hero 2012/01/23 13:33:32

Deport the employers.strip them of their Citizenship and all Assets. Forfiete...

Another case of Conservative Douchebaggery. The people who cause the problem of undocumented workers are the business's that hire them. If the employers were held responsible then there wouldn't be a problem with undocumented workers. But conservatives want to punish the POOR people that need jobs, not the RICH business owners that make money off their labor. Conservative Dochebaggery at it's finest.

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DS in Oak Ridge NC 2012/01/23 13:21:48

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Make E-Verify not a one-time hiring event, but an annual deal for all firms. Each rejection event should trigger a call to local officials for them to hold the illegal for INS deportation. The reality is we have a tool for determining legal status for working, but it is used too rarely, and without being tied to real consequences for cheating or beating the system.

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Theresa to DS in O... 2012/01/23 17:16:52

There is no INS anymore it is ICE under the dept of Homeland security.

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Jimbo 2012/01/23 13:18:11

Other:

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A jail sentence for knowingly hiring an illegal would do far better than fines which is the cost of doing business.

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Sgt Major B 2012/01/23 13:09:39 (edited)

Other:

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1. Deport the illegals.

2. Enforce the flippin' law and fine the employer to the point of insolvency!:

Title 8, USC, § 1324a. Unlawful employment of aliens

(a) Making employment of unauthorized aliens unlawful

(1) In general

It is unlawful for a person or other entity—

(A) to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien (as defined in subsection (h)(3) of this section) with respect to such employment, or

(B) (i) to hire for employment in the United States an individual without complying with the requirements of subsection (b) of this section or

(ii) if the person or entity is an agricultural association, agricultural employer, or farm labor contractor (as defined in section 1802 of title 29), to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an individual without complying with the requirements of subsection (b) of this section.

3. Ensuring compliance is the responsibility of the Attorney General and the penalties are a $3000 fine for EACH illegal alien and jail time.

It's high time for SCOTUS to issue a writ of mandamus compelling the current administration to enforce the law and for the House of Representataives and Senate to impeach, remove, and criminally prosecute ...

1. Deport the illegals.

2. Enforce the flippin' law and fine the employer to the point of insolvency!:

Title 8, USC, § 1324a. Unlawful employment of aliens

(a) Making employment of unauthorized aliens unlawful

(1) In general

It is unlawful for a person or other entity—

(A) to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien (as defined in subsection (h)(3) of this section) with respect to such employment, or

(B) (i) to hire for employment in the United States an individual without complying with the requirements of subsection (b) of this section or

(ii) if the person or entity is an agricultural association, agricultural employer, or farm labor contractor (as defined in section 1802 of title 29), to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an individual without complying with the requirements of subsection (b) of this section.

3. Ensuring compliance is the responsibility of the Attorney General and the penalties are a $3000 fine for EACH illegal alien and jail time.

It's high time for SCOTUS to issue a writ of mandamus compelling the current administration to enforce the law and for the House of Representataives and Senate to impeach, remove, and criminally prosecute any official who fails to do so!

http://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
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Sgt Maj... to Sgt Maj... 2012/01/23 14:24:16 (edited)

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Note to self: Typical response from "Mommy's Litle Commie" above. Too dense to grasp the fact the law's in place, it just lacks Government enforcement. Big business may be hirin' 'em, but it's the Attorney General's responsibility to enforce the law. It would be nice if just once this administration took the side of the American Citizen.

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Theresa to Sgt Maj... 2012/01/23 17:20:32

Actually this should be a State matter. The federal gov't should not be involved in hiring or firing anyone!

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