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Should College Be a Constitutional Right?

AdriHead 2012/07/11 22:38:43
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We all know student loans can be killer. And though Congress recently announced a tentative deal that would prevent student loan rates from doubling, according to a recent poll, that's still not enough for the average American.

A national poll done by the Carnegie Corporation of New York found that most Americans (76 percent) believe that access to higher education should be a constitutional right. Additionally, 67 percent believe that the cost of college is the biggest barrier to that access. It's a controversial issue, but it has to be asked: Do you think easier access to college should be a constitutional right for all Americans?

GOOD.IS reports:
A deeply divided Congress gives us little hope, but 150 years ago an equally partisan climate produced some of the nation's top public universities.
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  • gregaj7 Skeptikat 2012/07/12 22:44:43
    gregaj7
    +4
    Prove to me that it is my "responsibility" to fund the education of others. It really looks to me like you belong in a communist/socialist nation, which this one is not-so-slowly becoming. I've also left the 'lawful' jurisdiction of the municipal corporation hq'd in DC knows as "United States" and codified @ 28 USC 3002 15 A, by Affidavit of Lawful Status and Declaration.
  • Seeker ... Skeptikat 2012/07/13 05:36:03
    Seeker of Truth - War Wizard
    You are calling other people selfish? When you want to take what they have earned to give it to others??

    I think this says it best:

    penn generous other people s money
  • Skeptikat Seeker ... 2012/07/13 05:53:04
  • Seeker ... Skeptikat 2012/07/13 14:17:23
    Seeker of Truth - War Wizard
    Tax breaks are not "giving" money. They are allowing people to KEEP their own money. Now, I'm against corporate welfare, where specific industries or corporations get a special break or subsidy due to political connections. But BOTH sides of the aisle are equally guilty there (Solyndra anyone?)... This has nothing to do with the point though, so you're trying to change the subject.

    But back to my original point. The government has no business taking money from one group and giving it to another. The only proper functions of the federal government involve protecting our rights as citizens. Education should be handled purely by the state and local governments, where people can actually have more direct impact either by talking to their representatives or by voting with their feet and moving to a different district or state.
  • Seeker ... Skeptikat 2012/07/12 22:30:31 (edited)
    Seeker of Truth - War Wizard
    +2
    You have a right to TRY with your own money. You do NOT have a right to take private funds in the form of taxes and give it to other people for something that you consider a "right".
  • Skeptikat Seeker ... 2012/07/13 06:08:29
  • Seeker ... Skeptikat 2012/07/13 14:18:27
    Seeker of Truth - War Wizard
    The government does NOT have the right to take money from one group and redistribute it to others. This has nothing to do with rich vs poor at all. This has simply to do with federal powers as they were created in the Constitution.
  • JackoClubs 2012/07/12 20:47:32
    No
    JackoClubs
    +4
    Where's all this money coming from? Healthcare...now they want college; what next? Free vacations?
  • Skeptikat JackoClubs 2012/07/12 21:55:08
  • JackoClubs Skeptikat 2012/07/12 23:56:26 (edited)
    JackoClubs
    +2
    Oh, I'm sorry; am I being to realistic? Too practical?
    Okay, you tell me; who's going to pay for all this "free" stuff? Where is the money coming from? You do realize that things like "free" education, among many other "free", cradle-to-grave entitlements, is what bankrupted Europe?
  • Skeptikat JackoClubs 2012/07/13 06:14:45
  • JackoClubs Skeptikat 2012/07/13 10:29:44
    JackoClubs
    +1
    Your name should be "sheeplikecat".
    Stop "braying" about people who have more than you do, and trying to take it from them. be back later to explain life to you, after i get home from work. You know....work?
  • Skeptikat JackoClubs 2012/07/14 14:54:38 (edited)
  • JackoClubs Skeptikat 2012/07/15 14:25:01
    JackoClubs
    Judging by this post, you should be on my side. The People's Socialist Republic of CA is the one taxing you to death, and taking that hard-earned money and giving it to people who didn't earn it. Like those living off the system in other states.
    So, what you're saying is, that people at the top of the eonomic ladder don't send their money down that ladder (trickle-down) in the form of paychecks/bonuses/benefits?
  • Skeptikat JackoClubs 2012/07/15 15:20:54 (edited)
  • JackoClubs Skeptikat 2012/07/15 16:23:13
    JackoClubs
    My compliments; you're very well indoctrinated. It takes a very weak mind to be that deluded by outside influences. Be well, liberal. Goodbye.
  • Skeptikat JackoClubs 2012/07/15 18:19:34
  • JackoClubs Skeptikat 2012/07/17 00:02:42
    JackoClubs
    LOL...good one. Great movie.
    Be well; enjoy the stifling, socialist Utopia your ideals hold in store for you, me, and our descendants.
  • JackoClubs Skeptikat 2012/07/14 14:32:28 (edited)
    JackoClubs
    See, here's where your deeply-indocrinated myopia fails you; you think all conservatives are gung-ho about the wars and, probably, support the corporatocracy.
    Not so; I think we should have been out of Afghanistan years ago, and am willing to admit that Iraq was a big mistake. I am also not a big fan of big corporations, though I admit they have their uses. And also, that's the way it is. Whattaya gonna do? Rage against the machine all you want, but you're still going to buy the products put out by the corporations, unless you want to make your own clothes and shoes, hygiene products, build your own car, computer, TV, stove, refrigeratior, etc.....so until that point comes, stop whining about the evil corporations.
    However, I will say this for the wars: both actions toppled brutal, cruel, despotic regimes which were ruled by tyrants and which served no earthly good, and which no one in their right minds would ever miss.
    They also served well as strategic actions; as non-Muslms, it's an insult to the Islamic traditions to have us over here in any capacity, let alone a military occupation. Therefore, it was a matter of drawing the terrorist activity into those regions, to grind themselves down against our military in an effort to oust us from Islamic territory, rather than having...



    See, here's where your deeply-indocrinated myopia fails you; you think all conservatives are gung-ho about the wars and, probably, support the corporatocracy.
    Not so; I think we should have been out of Afghanistan years ago, and am willing to admit that Iraq was a big mistake. I am also not a big fan of big corporations, though I admit they have their uses. And also, that's the way it is. Whattaya gonna do? Rage against the machine all you want, but you're still going to buy the products put out by the corporations, unless you want to make your own clothes and shoes, hygiene products, build your own car, computer, TV, stove, refrigeratior, etc.....so until that point comes, stop whining about the evil corporations.
    However, I will say this for the wars: both actions toppled brutal, cruel, despotic regimes which were ruled by tyrants and which served no earthly good, and which no one in their right minds would ever miss.
    They also served well as strategic actions; as non-Muslms, it's an insult to the Islamic traditions to have us over here in any capacity, let alone a military occupation. Therefore, it was a matter of drawing the terrorist activity into those regions, to grind themselves down against our military in an effort to oust us from Islamic territory, rather than having them come over here and kill innocent Americans. In that, they succeed wildly.
    Thanks, GWB!
    But let me see if I understand your logic, here: we've had two "illegal wars" that have drained our resources. Granted; however, wars have the benefit of eventually ending. Right? Their drain, presumably, goes with them.
    Imposing "free" socialized healthcare and "free" education programs as matters of government policy, paying for everyone's needs in those areas, would compound the more or less temporary drain of the "illegal wars", with even bigger drains on our resources, which would never, ever end. How is that better?
    Also, using words like "conservtard", and even "libtard" does not make people sound witty. It makes people sound hateful. Conservatives do not hate liberals; conservatives hate liberalISM. Liberals, on the other hand, passionately hate conservatives, conservatism, and anything that isn't liberal liberalism. That's why liberals abet Islamics; they have the same type of ideology.
    (more)
  • Skeptikat JackoClubs 2012/07/14 14:59:11 (edited)
  • JackoClubs Skeptikat 2012/07/15 14:25:43 (edited)
    JackoClubs
    Thank you for blowing past 3/4 of what I wrote. Typical liberal.
  • Skeptikat JackoClubs 2012/07/15 18:21:28
  • JackoClubs Skeptikat 2012/07/17 00:05:38
    JackoClubs
    Isn't it time for you to go masturbate to a pic of Michelle eating a Double Quarter Pounder w/cheese and fries and a triple-thick chocolate shake, while telling everyone else to eat spinach and brussels sprouts?
  • Jkirk3279 2012/07/12 20:44:02
    Yes
    Jkirk3279
    +1
    The Countries in Europe who went with free college found it pays off.

    It allows them to find and train more skilled people; more doctors, engineers; higher paying jobs that end up bringing in more taxes to pay for the scholarships.

    You have to keep up. If you can't, well... And even when you get to the Doctorate level, you get exactly ONE shot at it. Get turned down, no second chance. Even finding out that somebody else has JUST published a Dissertation in the same theme as yours is a dead stop.

    We WASTE people. We let people who could be engineers work as janitors because they can't afford college, or get $80,000 in student loans.

    We're basically throwing money out the window. Smart, talented people are worth their weight in gold. As it is now, only the VERY fortunate or the rich can go to a 4 year university.
  • Skeptikat Jkirk3279 2012/07/12 22:01:01
  • wahrheit 2012/07/12 20:18:08
    No
    wahrheit
    How about a "right" to cable TV and a smart phone? Or a "right" to a paid vacation and a bonus (this goodie was built into the constitution of a 3rd world country.)
  • Jkirk3279 wahrheit 2012/07/12 20:48:03
    Jkirk3279
    +1
    Look at this selfishly. The fewer Doctors we have, the higher rates they charge.

    The fewer Mechanics in your town, the less competition, which means you pay more when you need your car fixed.

    Now add in Dentists, Plumbers, Electricians, Engineers. All of them have to charge less when there's more competition.

    Capturing the smart people that can't afford college and making it happen brings in more tax revenue, because they make more money than working at WalMart, and it gives YOU more choices when you want somebody to wire in your new Hot Tub.
  • Tom Jkirk3279 2012/07/12 21:03:24
    Tom
    You're on the side who think a college degree is needed for someone to wire in your new hot tub then?
  • Skeptikat Tom 2012/07/12 22:07:33
  • wahrheit Skeptikat 2012/07/13 11:26:41
    wahrheit
    +1
    It's important that your hot tub be properly wired-- irrespective of who does the wiring. I re-wired my own house-- to code, with the help of the national code book, and 4 years of vocational coursework in high school. No college education required. And being a licensed contractor will not guarantee you a properly done job either. My neighbor has a garage that bears witness to the limitations of a licensed contractor-- the peak is 2 feet above the house roof line, and the door is too small to permit the owner's pickup to be parked inside (although the "custom" design was necessary for that purpose to begin with.)



    What is required are the ability to read-- both written text and diagrams, the ability to both do and apply math (through trig-- no calculus), a basic understanding of electricity and its application, and a willingness to follow the rules. College does NOT teach these skills; these are high school subjects. Matters of design do require engineering training. But you do not need an EE to wire your hot tub, or even an Associates degree.
  • wahrheit Jkirk3279 2012/07/13 11:59:05
    wahrheit
    No--- licensed professionals do not "have" to charge less-- nor can they necessarily. Costs are driven by continuing education costs, licensing costs, plus business operational costs (insurance, payrolls, buildings, equipment....). Charges for professional services are driven by costs for those services, and defined by "industry standard"



    The limit to class size is quality of training-- not anticipated income levels of graduates. Licensing exam difficulty is another stricture on practicing professional numbers. I believe those strictures are appropriate. I am not interested in the services of a doctor who graduated from the Walmart school of medicine on line, or an electrical engineer trained by the Sam's Club academy-- and I know of no one who is-- for themselves, that is.
  • Skeptikat wahrheit 2012/07/12 22:02:51
  • wahrheit Skeptikat 2012/07/13 15:39:16
    wahrheit
    +1
    Having a smart phone won't make a person more connected; having cable won't make a person more informed or even more entertained; and having access to college won't make people more educated, better or more productive workers, or more competitive in global work space.



    Why? Because smart phones, cable, and education depend on what is done with them for their value to society. Evidence suggests that more access to college means more people with degrees in things like "Women's Studies" and similar, not more MDs, Engineers, Accountants, and the like.
  • Pam 2012/07/12 20:02:34
    Yes
    Pam
    +1
    Of course I think it should be a constitutional right!
  • Dodgerfan 2012/07/12 19:44:47
    No
    Dodgerfan
    +1
    And no other education is a right.
  • Marek 2012/07/12 19:29:12
    No
    Marek
    +2
    No, not all people are the college material. No matter how hard they try and how much assistance they get they are just not up to it. Any student receiving public assistance must be required to perform at the certain level otherwise the money is wasted and likely someone more qualified may be denied help due to shortage of funds.
  • Pam Marek 2012/07/12 20:03:42
    Pam
    We pay for a lot why not college?
  • Marek Pam 2012/07/12 21:09:24
    Marek
    +2
    Well, we pay for welfare, other people's children, for housing and food for all legals and illegals who are on welfare, health care for everybody from cradle to early grave so why not college? Why stop there?

    People should be entitled to free car, house, clothing, television, tickets to the movies, restaurants, vacations and cruises abroad. How about providing them with free personal aircraft. Oh, I almost forgot, they should be provided with sexual relief by a government run sex workers, unionized of course. They have that in Holland and Denmark so why not here? Add to that free computer for everyone and a cellphone, iPad and other necessities. Of course when they are over 55 and get sick put them to sleep like stray dogs.
  • Pam Marek 2012/07/13 04:10:58
    Pam
    +1
    That's why I said it! If other people can get stuff than I should receive free education! The illegals receive everything! They bring with them crime, drugs, and murder our people! The American people should be able to receive something in return!
  • Marek Pam 2012/07/13 04:56:55
    Marek
    +1
    Looks like we are relatively close in our views on the issue.
    In my opinion all the freebies for illegals need to stop. Americans and legal immigrants are taxed and when they need help, they should receive it before a dime is spent on illegals.

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