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Should College Be a Constitutional Right?

AdriHead 2012/07/11 22:38:43
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We all know student loans can be killer. And though Congress recently announced a tentative deal that would prevent student loan rates from doubling, according to a recent poll, that's still not enough for the average American.

A national poll done by the Carnegie Corporation of New York found that most Americans (76 percent) believe that access to higher education should be a constitutional right. Additionally, 67 percent believe that the cost of college is the biggest barrier to that access. It's a controversial issue, but it has to be asked: Do you think easier access to college should be a constitutional right for all Americans?

GOOD.IS reports:
A deeply divided Congress gives us little hope, but 150 years ago an equally partisan climate produced some of the nation's top public universities.
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  • Barefoo... gregaj7 2012/07/13 01:13:26
    Barefooted Nana ∞ijm♥∞AFCL
    +3
    Welcome M'Lord! *sweet smile*
  • gregaj7 Barefoo... 2012/07/13 01:27:13
  • Barefoo... gregaj7 2012/07/13 02:04:00
  • gregaj7 Barefoo... 2012/07/13 02:29:03
    gregaj7
    +2
    There's that totally adorably pretty red-head again. :)
  • Barefoo... gregaj7 2012/07/13 02:35:08
  • safari Skeptikat 2012/07/13 00:51:23 (edited)
    safari
    +7
    There is no excuse for being clueless in the age of information at your fingertips.

    LEARN America is a corporation - not that we should expect anyone who came out of a government school to know this FACT - and you promote ignorance to continue such revisionist history and lack of education aka brainwashing, via government schools. Is America a corporation YES IT IS http://reality-bytes.hubpages...


  • IndyLinda safari 2012/07/13 01:05:00
    IndyLinda
    +4
    Spot on!
  • safari IndyLinda 2012/07/13 01:13:47
    safari
    +3
    thanks :)
  • gregaj7 safari 2012/07/13 01:07:57
    gregaj7
    +4
    Thank you, M'Lady!
  • safari gregaj7 2012/07/13 01:14:07
    safari
    +2
    my pleasure (duty to inform) :)
  • Barefoo... gregaj7 2012/07/13 00:17:33
    Barefooted Nana ∞ijm♥∞AFCL
    +4
    Isn't it funny how some are so quick to point out problems that their ilk created. lol
  • Anthony Souls 2012/07/12 21:13:58 (edited)
    Yes
    Anthony Souls
    +3
    Let me ask you this: Would you rather live in a system where only the rich have access to a higher education? Of course, there are grants, loans, scholarships, etc. But. relying on such systems will only lead to a society as before, where only rich people are educated by colleges and others have no access and means. And ever more so, these forms of financing are already handouts, per say. People don't understand that if left to flourish by greed and elitist mentalities, soon the education people take for granted will no longer be available to them in the future. Take care,
  • gregaj7 Anthony... 2012/07/13 01:10:35
    gregaj7
    +1
    There's a difference between the generosity of the populous and the coercion of the Government.
  • Anthony... gregaj7 2012/07/13 02:34:42 (edited)
    Anthony Souls
    +1
    Is it coercion to mandate that everyone has unalienable rights? Since education is a basic need which should be afforded to everyone, and history has proven thus so, then you must view the whole constitution as a coercion of the government. For what more closely resembles freedom of speech than freedom of knowledge?

    Take care,
  • gregaj7 Anthony... 2012/07/13 02:44:23
    gregaj7
    It is recognition of un-a-lien-able rights, not coercion. The Constitution is the limitation of the Government, unless otherwise contracted or jurisdictionalized. What most seem to miss in this is that Government has NO role in education, unless being a 14th amendment citizen. The Founders not only valued education, but also valued the freedom of people handling their own learning, and keeping control on the local-level.
  • Anthony... gregaj7 2012/07/13 03:00:15
    Anthony Souls
    +1
    Dictionary.com
    Liberty: freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice.

    Since the college system is forcing a standard of education necessary for constitutional rights, yet, is subjugating those without enough money to attend such education without offering any alternative routes, it is in contradiction with Our Country's constitution. For what is more controlling, more interfering, more obligating, more restricting, more hampering, and in violation of pursuing our choices than limiting our education/knowledge.

    This method of control has been historically used to keep people as slaves, to deny them freedoms, and to obtain luxuries at the expense of those beneath them. This is indubitably so. Yet, since people are able to neatly package this philosophy into a merit based philosophy, we are more than humbly would digest it?

    Do you deny these self-evident truths to be true? That knowledge is power, and withholding that knowledge by any price is a form of oppression to freedom? Would you have preferred to live in a time period which regulated who could have an education and who couldn't based on whatever preferred discrimination was to your liking? Perhaps, you wish our ...



    Dictionary.com
    Liberty: freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice.

    Since the college system is forcing a standard of education necessary for constitutional rights, yet, is subjugating those without enough money to attend such education without offering any alternative routes, it is in contradiction with Our Country's constitution. For what is more controlling, more interfering, more obligating, more restricting, more hampering, and in violation of pursuing our choices than limiting our education/knowledge.

    This method of control has been historically used to keep people as slaves, to deny them freedoms, and to obtain luxuries at the expense of those beneath them. This is indubitably so. Yet, since people are able to neatly package this philosophy into a merit based philosophy, we are more than humbly would digest it?

    Do you deny these self-evident truths to be true? That knowledge is power, and withholding that knowledge by any price is a form of oppression to freedom? Would you have preferred to live in a time period which regulated who could have an education and who couldn't based on whatever preferred discrimination was to your liking? Perhaps, you wish our basic freedoms of expression to come at a price and to be merit based, that in order to voice our thoughts, to express our art, we must monetarily earn it through a governing non-government organization. What have you? Should our price of expression come at 100.000 dollar price tag? Indeed, no one in their right mind would agree to that, lest they be dictatorial and on top. No one dare to contradict that, as it's plainly written and stated.

    However, let it be known that college is gaining more power, they control the knowledge distribution, and they have placed our livelihood at a price tag. Should we not dare question the existence and the ramifications of such a force. Should we not out cry that our freedoms finally come at a price that everyone can agree to for their own selfish purposes which will no doubtfully doom our future?

    Take care,
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  • gregaj7 Anthony... 2012/07/13 05:51:38
    gregaj7
    This all depends on whether you're chasing a piece of paper (degree) or the alleged knowledge that goes with it. I'm chasing the knowledge and couldn't care less about the degree. Why? The very reasons you stated in your comment. Since I will no longer tolerate being sodomized by the Rothschild/Rockefeller international bankers, I've decided to learn how they protect their stuff from municipal corporation government and do likewise. Try these links on for size:
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
    You won't learn the above unless they choose to let you do it or you pursue it on your own.
    BTW: If you're going to use any legal references in your comments, please define your terms with a Law Dictionary, preferably Black's or Bouvier's.
  • Wulfdane 2012/07/12 21:05:09 (edited)
    No
    Wulfdane
    +4
    Education is free for those under 18. For everyone else we need to get back to "personal responsibility," once a person turns 18 they are an adult and are responsible for their own future.

    Education is expensive because Liberal Unions keep sucking government money away from the students and into their pockets. Every time the government dumps more money into student loans or grants. teacher unions demand higher pay and more benefits. Forcing Universities to raise tuition - It is a vicious cycle.
  • Anthony... Wulfdane 2012/07/12 21:20:57
    Anthony Souls
    +2
    Education is already "free" in a sense that grants/scholarships depends on "handouts" and are dependent upon others to be given. Even more so, the only way for a monetary based education system to progress, which is essential to our livelihood, is towards a discriminating, albeit financial, philosophy, where only the rich will be able to afford an education at all: seems people don't learn from history.

    In any event, it's indisputable that college is needed for any sort of job anymore, and it's become a criteria that is needed to live, much as water is. Now, if you are to base what constitutional rights are on how essential they are to our pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, than this indubitably qualifies; else, perhaps we shouldn't have any constitutional rights towards that effect? Perhaps we shouldn't have any freedoms if we can't honor the most basic.


    Take care,
  • Wulfdane Anthony... 2012/07/12 21:33:26 (edited)
    Wulfdane
    +3
    You have all of those rights, that is you have "liberty to pursue your own happiness".

    There is no Constitutional right for society to subsidize your lack of ambition.
  • Anthony... Wulfdane 2012/07/12 21:43:34
    Anthony Souls
    +2
    You are illogical, or you believe in monetary based freedoms. Therefore, would you support each word you utter costing 100 bucks to voice? No one is stopping you from being as "ambitious" as you want to obtain enough money to utter all you want at an expense. How about freedoms to vote? Would you approve of only having that right as long as you pay 20 grand for it? No one is stopping you from being "ambitious" to earn enough to have that right. What about the right to a fair trail? Would you support that right only at the expense of 40 grand, outside of normal legal fees? Surely, you have enough "ambition" to pay for all of these "freedoms" at a cost...

    Indeed, Take care,
  • Wulfdane Anthony... 2012/07/12 22:26:43 (edited)
    Wulfdane
    +3
    What I support is the right for you too succeed or fail on your own terms.

    This is what separates people like me from you. We work for our success, while people like yourself sit on your ass and wait for someone else to do all the work for you.

    Your life is your own, unless if course you suffer from a legitimate mental or physical disability (such as paraplegia or mental retardation).

    Universities are expensive because of the Liberal system that controls it.
  • Anthony... Wulfdane 2012/07/12 22:35:16
    Anthony Souls
    +2
    Who said that I don't work for my success? Do you even know me? Perhaps, you are so intellectually superior that you can telepathically read minds from all of this distance. Or, perhaps, you are so ignorant and naive that you form assumptions as if they are truths, and that this type of thinking rules your entire thought process. I'm grateful that you can go to college; perhaps you can learn how to logically think while you are at it and become a better citizen.

    Who said that people won't earn their education in a "free" based system? Do all of the college students that takes grants and scholarships not earn their education? Do all of the students who go to public schooling, not that you would ever be one of them lest you are a hypocrite, didn't earn their education? Oh no, by your logic, whoever can't afford to go to college are social leeches who hasn't earned a damn thing in their life. :)

    Yea, people want "handouts", so they don't have to earn it for themselves. That's what happiness means. 80,000 dollars isn't too much for someone in squalor to afford. You are absolutely right. These parasites of mankind needs to be eliminated from society. All they do is drive us higher individuals work force and die. We can simply replace them with robots. GO US!.

    Perhaps this conversat...

    Who said that I don't work for my success? Do you even know me? Perhaps, you are so intellectually superior that you can telepathically read minds from all of this distance. Or, perhaps, you are so ignorant and naive that you form assumptions as if they are truths, and that this type of thinking rules your entire thought process. I'm grateful that you can go to college; perhaps you can learn how to logically think while you are at it and become a better citizen.

    Who said that people won't earn their education in a "free" based system? Do all of the college students that takes grants and scholarships not earn their education? Do all of the students who go to public schooling, not that you would ever be one of them lest you are a hypocrite, didn't earn their education? Oh no, by your logic, whoever can't afford to go to college are social leeches who hasn't earned a damn thing in their life. :)

    Yea, people want "handouts", so they don't have to earn it for themselves. That's what happiness means. 80,000 dollars isn't too much for someone in squalor to afford. You are absolutely right. These parasites of mankind needs to be eliminated from society. All they do is drive us higher individuals work force and die. We can simply replace them with robots. GO US!.

    Perhaps this conversation is too complex for you: you mentioned that you might have a mental retardation through inference. Therefore, I will gladly take pity on you and leave you be. :)

    Take care,
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  • Skeptikat Wulfdane 2012/07/12 21:46:33
  • Wulfdane Skeptikat 2012/07/12 22:12:06 (edited)
    Wulfdane
    +2
    Are you deaf? Dumb? Blind? Legitimately disabled in some other fashion?

    Because if not, you deserve nothing but that which you are willing to work for.
  • Skeptikat Wulfdane 2012/07/12 22:22:09 (edited)
  • Wulfdane Skeptikat 2012/07/12 22:36:44 (edited)
    Wulfdane
    +4
    I know people who work three jobs, so don't BS me about not having enough time. If you have the ambition and the work ethic, nothing is out of reach given enough time.

    Our welfare system has already proved: The more money you throw at people, the more dependent people become on the government.

    As a Psychiatrist once noted:

    "Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded. Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."
  • Skeptikat Wulfdane 2012/07/12 22:47:13
  • davyd god loving patriot 2012/07/12 21:01:23
    No
    davyd god loving patriot
    +1
    only in the stupid world, lol that's what's coming out of college today.
  • Skeptikat davyd g... 2012/07/12 21:47:41
  • davyd g... Skeptikat 2012/07/13 22:25:14
    davyd god loving patriot
    yep another nobama lover, only a brainless fool would go along with a communist stooge. Sorry that's what the union teachers are pushing today, everyone is smart, not you. lmao
  • gregaj7 2012/07/12 21:00:35
    No
    gregaj7
    +4
    Education, of any variety, is NOT a Constitutionally-protected "right". That would take an amendment, and I vote NO.
  • Skeptikat gregaj7 2012/07/12 21:49:10
  • gregaj7 Skeptikat 2012/07/12 22:21:59
    gregaj7
    +2
    That still does not make it a lawful "right" to education, in the form of Government coercion.
  • Skeptikat gregaj7 2012/07/12 22:23:36
  • gregaj7 Skeptikat 2012/07/12 22:39:13
    gregaj7
    +3
    Since I can't pay for my own "education", they way that I want, I sure as BLEEP won't pay for someone Else's, especially when it's manure from beginning to end.
  • Seeker of Truth - War Wizard 2012/07/12 20:52:19
    No
    Seeker of Truth - War Wizard
    +4
    STOP TRYING TO CLAIM THINGS THAT ARE NOT FREE TO BE RIGHTS!!!

    You have the right to PURSUE a college education, and PAY FOR IT YOURSELF! You have NO rights to anything that someone else has to provide for you.
  • Skeptikat Seeker ... 2012/07/12 21:50:35
  • gregaj7 Skeptikat 2012/07/12 22:21:09
    gregaj7
    +3
    And that's to be done independently/privately, not at the coercion of Government.
  • Skeptikat gregaj7 2012/07/12 22:30:13

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