Should College Be a Constitutional Right?
AdriHead
2012/07/11 22:38:43
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We all know student loans can be killer. And though Congress recently announced a tentative deal that would prevent student loan rates from doubling, according to a recent poll, that's still not enough for the average American.
A national poll done by the Carnegie Corporation of New York found that most Americans (76 percent) believe that access to higher education should be a constitutional right. Additionally, 67 percent believe that the cost of college is the biggest barrier to that access. It's a controversial issue, but it has to be asked: Do you think easier access to college should be a constitutional right for all Americans?
GOOD.IS reports:
A national poll done by the Carnegie Corporation of New York found that most Americans (76 percent) believe that access to higher education should be a constitutional right. Additionally, 67 percent believe that the cost of college is the biggest barrier to that access. It's a controversial issue, but it has to be asked: Do you think easier access to college should be a constitutional right for all Americans?
GOOD.IS reports:
A deeply divided Congress gives us little hope, but 150 years ago an equally partisan climate produced some of the nation's top public universities.
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rustyshackelford 2012/07/11 23:08:27
This is why 'socialism' simply is not compatible with personal Liberty...
If you have a "right" to something, then it can't be kept from you.
If you have the "right" to attend college but can't afford it, then it's your "right" to compel other people to pay for your education.
In conclusion:
If you have a "right" to an education, then you have the "right" to enslave people.
I was at a relatively prestigious university recently for an event, and I swear most of the students I encountered seemed incredibly dull and thick. It's my opinion that stumbling through 4 or 5 years of schooling with a 2.0 gpa and a slapped together degree isn't going to help these students get ahead in life, and whichever parent pushed them into higher education should've saved their money for a better cause.
In fact, I don't think high school should be mandatory, either. Some students, at age 15 or 16, should be able to accept that they won't be brilliant scientists or engineers and go to trade school instead. Save higher education for those who have the mental capacity and drive for it.
The cost will be for those who do want to learn, having to put up with a fluctuation of student's who are simply there for another 3-5 year ride.
The cost will also be on us funding another section of society who wants more things for free.
The cost is also on other universities; do all universities have to cater for freebies? Do they set up specific state universities catering for those not wanting to pay for the better universities? This will further develop a mentality in the free universities that they don't have to try because they are 'just the free one'.
Perhaps make all non-funded courses distance learning, with video support form tutors, and only the tests need to be taken at testing centers. This works for all post-uni certifications, so maybe that is a solution.
I do think Western society is continually slipping, and we need a way to promote more kids into area where they can shine. But there needs to be a smart method for implementing it if its going to happen.
I also think we would go a long way by cutting down on the crazy numbers of students studying at universities from overseas. Th...
The cost will be for those who do want to learn, having to put up with a fluctuation of student's who are simply there for another 3-5 year ride.
The cost will also be on us funding another section of society who wants more things for free.
The cost is also on other universities; do all universities have to cater for freebies? Do they set up specific state universities catering for those not wanting to pay for the better universities? This will further develop a mentality in the free universities that they don't have to try because they are 'just the free one'.
Perhaps make all non-funded courses distance learning, with video support form tutors, and only the tests need to be taken at testing centers. This works for all post-uni certifications, so maybe that is a solution.
I do think Western society is continually slipping, and we need a way to promote more kids into area where they can shine. But there needs to be a smart method for implementing it if its going to happen.
I also think we would go a long way by cutting down on the crazy numbers of students studying at universities from overseas. This will open up more local positions and go further towards fixing this problem in the short turn. The impact will still be loss of money, but far far less money overall. It also ensure the skills are kept primarily in-country; and this is desperately needed.
Actually the problem is more along the lines that students are not studying, they are taking stupid classes that don't lead anywhere, and are only interesting in having some fun and getting a degree in 6-7 years or so.
Bill Maxwell, a journalist with the Tampa Bay Times, took a couple of years off to teach at an historic black college and wrote extensively about his disappointment with the students. Despite having loans for books, many did not buy them. They skipped classes. Showed little interest in learning.
A college degree is not a ticket to the good life unless something was learned in college. Some studies indicate that people are dumber after 6 years of college than they were when they started.
Maxwell seems to agree with me.
But, yeah, you are right. He has conviently forgotten his experiences at trying to educate people who did not want an education.
Do you have any data that "Many other nations have free , or very low cost education "? (Without very limited enrollments)
Put blame where blame is do. With the colleges and universities themselves and the democrat party that also receives tens of millions in campaign funds from these same colleges and universities that are robbing the students with insanely high tuitions and fees.
You see they made college basically unaffordable without being indebted for the rest of your life. And then what was that little tid-bit that was stuck in the Obamacare bill (though it has nothing to do with healthcare)? Oh yeah the federal government in taking over the entire student loan industry on July 1, 2010. So, guess who your going to be indebted to? Yeah ... see how the little shell game works now?
Look at the statistics of how much a person makes, and you will find that a high school graduate is going to make far less than a college graduate with at least an associate's degree, and far less than someone with a bachelor's, masters, doctoral, or professional degree.
Look at the Macro of the economy: The more someone is paid the more the person pays in taxes, or so the theory goes anyway. Allowing more of the population to access these jobs via mandated college will allow for many of these jobs to be filled. More competition also leads to more competitive wages for the businesses, but then unions to protect the employees from predatory wages.
The greatest boon to society would be that more people would start finding dreams, and goals to shoot for. Critical thinking courses are required with basic general education at most colleges, and the b...
Look at the statistics of how much a person makes, and you will find that a high school graduate is going to make far less than a college graduate with at least an associate's degree, and far less than someone with a bachelor's, masters, doctoral, or professional degree.
Look at the Macro of the economy: The more someone is paid the more the person pays in taxes, or so the theory goes anyway. Allowing more of the population to access these jobs via mandated college will allow for many of these jobs to be filled. More competition also leads to more competitive wages for the businesses, but then unions to protect the employees from predatory wages.
The greatest boon to society would be that more people would start finding dreams, and goals to shoot for. Critical thinking courses are required with basic general education at most colleges, and the benefit to society from people learning to think critically far outweighs most of the other benefits. It is one aspects of college grads that politicians do not like since lying to people gets harder.
More than half the students are unable to graduate in 4 years despite the plethora of college financing available. College grads are becoming waiters and janitors. Law schools have graduated c. 1.4 million lawyers and the US economy needed c. 500,000. Many college grads have returned to live with their parents. The cost of college has skyrocketed as easy money led to increased spending. My son's college has an impressive gym but that does nothing to help students. Much of those college fees go for stuff that has nothing to do with providing a good education.
10 years ago maybe that idea about college education being a good investment was true but even then when you factor in the cost (including interest on the debt) and the 4-7 years of not working the benefits are not that great. Now the scale has tipped and for many the investment is not worth the cost. At least for the majority that are just floating along, not studying, taking Women's studies or the Social Impact of Justin Bieber. The ...
More than half the students are unable to graduate in 4 years despite the plethora of college financing available. College grads are becoming waiters and janitors. Law schools have graduated c. 1.4 million lawyers and the US economy needed c. 500,000. Many college grads have returned to live with their parents. The cost of college has skyrocketed as easy money led to increased spending. My son's college has an impressive gym but that does nothing to help students. Much of those college fees go for stuff that has nothing to do with providing a good education.
10 years ago maybe that idea about college education being a good investment was true but even then when you factor in the cost (including interest on the debt) and the 4-7 years of not working the benefits are not that great. Now the scale has tipped and for many the investment is not worth the cost. At least for the majority that are just floating along, not studying, taking Women's studies or the Social Impact of Justin Bieber. The knowledge is the important thing, not the degree.
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It amazes me how the US became such a great market for college with people from all over coming to the US yet their own country provided free college. Methinks someone is lying about the great free colleges in other countries. I suspect that college education is rationed to the very smart and people worthy of a higher education.
There is no doubt you can become successful without a college degree. But today it is harder than ever to enter the middle class at all, it is especially difficult to do so without some sort of post-high school training. If we want a healthy national economy with prosperous citizens, we need to encourage and train kids for college and make access to college more affordable.
College is not for people to play around for 4 years.
It really boils my blood to think that these laborious workers who come from poor families think that they should be entitled to an education. They are just lazy, unambitious, poor dimwits that come from generations of the same. College isn't needed to survive. PSSH. They should be grateful for the crumbs that us higher people have bestowed them. They should just worry about their medical expenses, LOl, and all the other debt they refuse to pay because they have TOO MUCH money already.
Who the hell is going to pay for this right? They should try kissing some feet in order to get somewhere in life. They should never hav...
It really boils my blood to think that these laborious workers who come from poor families think that they should be entitled to an education. They are just lazy, unambitious, poor dimwits that come from generations of the same. College isn't needed to survive. PSSH. They should be grateful for the crumbs that us higher people have bestowed them. They should just worry about their medical expenses, LOl, and all the other debt they refuse to pay because they have TOO MUCH money already.
Who the hell is going to pay for this right? They should try kissing some feet in order to get somewhere in life. They should never have tried to ask us for free money. They have no right to an education. That's crazy talk. They deserve whatever life bestows them and should leave us alone: we who CAN go. They should be happy and be our slaves for what we do give them. Maybe they can pick up enough crumbs off of the ground, while seeing their families starving and accruing medical expenses from injuries, to go themselves, lol, like US.
Take care,