Should collective bargaining be abolished?
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2012/06/18 11:43:54
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Police today in major cities are in a very strong union, in NYC a police officer has to work 20 years, then he or she is given a full pension. Same with the fire department and many other civil service jobs. They get this benefit because they risk there lives in these jobs. A soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq makes less then 1/4 that of a police officer's start pay. An American soldier does an extremely dangerous job and in 4 years can leave the military. American soldiers get very little benefits for their service except some tuition help and maybe a grant if they are lucky, some get a one lump payment of a few thousand. Many of our soldiers in the fours years they serve overseas, are in more danger in the 4 years they serve, then police or firemen are in the entire 20 years on the job. Most cops never use their gun many firemen never see a fire in their entire career, yet they collect an average of five to seven thousand per month, senior people get ten thousand or more a month when they retire. They can get this benefit for 50 years now because people are living longer. Is it fair that they get so much money and get to retire so very young and a soldier can be in Afghanistan or Iraq for four years and leave with nothing coming at all?
The major cities in America are having a very hard time paying these huge pensions.
The government is now trying to up the retirement age to 76 and pays a max of $2340.00 per month. Is it right to punish seniors who have worked all their lives and collect so little money and still pay civil servants so much so early. Should they not have to retire at an older age as well.
The major cities in America are having a very hard time paying these huge pensions.
The government is now trying to up the retirement age to 76 and pays a max of $2340.00 per month. Is it right to punish seniors who have worked all their lives and collect so little money and still pay civil servants so much so early. Should they not have to retire at an older age as well.
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JohnElliot 2012/06/18 13:32:41No, keep collective bargaining like it is.
+12If Unions are abolished, Who will support working class wage? Republicans??? I think not!
Somehow, though, that executive thinks that when police or other union employees are hired for a specific, documented salary and set of benefits, the same rules don't apply. Somehow, because they're *union* employees, the benefits that were contractually (legally) promised don't really mean much.
Many union employees only take jobs (with lower pay) because their benefits (like retirement plans) are promised in writing. They plan their retirement around those legally promised benefits. So... when someone decides there isn't enough money and just wants to cut those benefits, or change how they are dispersed, they are GLAD they are in a union.
Why? Because people without unions (like me) can and do get screwed by employers. When some manager making hundreds of thousands of dollars makes a stupid mistake, the big bosses never want to cut that manager's salary -- they would rather cut the retirement benefits for the rank-and-file.
That's why unions are necessary: because the verbal promise of an employer is worth very little. Even a WRI...
Somehow, though, that executive thinks that when police or other union employees are hired for a specific, documented salary and set of benefits, the same rules don't apply. Somehow, because they're *union* employees, the benefits that were contractually (legally) promised don't really mean much.
Many union employees only take jobs (with lower pay) because their benefits (like retirement plans) are promised in writing. They plan their retirement around those legally promised benefits. So... when someone decides there isn't enough money and just wants to cut those benefits, or change how they are dispersed, they are GLAD they are in a union.
Why? Because people without unions (like me) can and do get screwed by employers. When some manager making hundreds of thousands of dollars makes a stupid mistake, the big bosses never want to cut that manager's salary -- they would rather cut the retirement benefits for the rank-and-file.
That's why unions are necessary: because the verbal promise of an employer is worth very little. Even a WRITTEN promise is not worth much -- as evidenced by discussions like this one. Only if there is some clout behind the employees are the employment contracts *really* binding.
Some people despise unions. But without them, the police (who took their jobs BECAUSE of the benefits packages) would end up getting as little as the soldiers do.
Remember Social Security in a lock-box? If congress would quit stealing the money from the fund it would being doing fine.
Unions have far to much control over the working people as it stands.
There motto is YOU EITHER JOIN A UNION OR YOU WORK FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AT MINIMUM WAGE.
They told me that 38 years ago. I may not be making the money that they said I would never make but I am my own boss with 41 employees. 3 years ago the unions came to me and gave me an ultimatum either go union or else. My answer was simple NO AND IF YOU FORCE ME I WILL SHUT THE DOORS AND MOVE TO CANADA LEAVING 35 PEOPLE OUT OF WORK...
My company is very small and we make nothing but parts for the government. I don't like unions, never did never will. They are bullies in the first degree and THEY DON'T LIKE ME, at lest twice a year some goon comes into the plant under the guise of a visitor and within an hour he is in my office spewing his complaints. The last one I gave him a choice GET THE HELL OFF MY PROPERTY OR YOU WILL GO TO JAIL FOR TRESPASSING AND HARASSMENT....
Grandpa never hired union people and had some of the best carpenters, electricians, and plumbers in the business and PAID THEM ALL UNION WAGES....
After grandpa was done paying back with interest all the money he borrow he profited a whopping $10,000 and that was considered big money in the 1940's.
I don't remember anymore who in boss of all those unions back than.
Along the line of SURVIVOR.