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Should 'citizen juries' decide Illegal immigrant status?

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Should 'citizen juries' decide illegal immigrant status?

Newt Gingrich wants to put ordinary citizens on juries to decide the fate of illegal immigrants. Is he on to something?


posted on November 28, 2011, at 11:07 AM











U.S.-born children and their undocumented parents demonstrate in D.C.: Gingrich's immigration reform plan would see citizen juries deciding the legal status of eligible applicants.


U.S.-born children and their undocumented parents demonstrate
in D.C.: Gingrich's immigration reform plan would see citizen juries
deciding the legal status of eligible applicants. Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
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Best Opinion: Wizbang, Wash. Post, Santa Cruz Sentinel



When former House Speaker Newt Gingrich proposed creating a legal mechanism to allow millions of long-term, established illegal immigrants to gain permanent residency, his GOP presidential rivals pounced, attacking him for supporting "amnesty." Gingrich denied that,
explaining in Florida over the weekend that under his plan, the onerous
"path to legality" would run through local "citizen juries" that would
ultimately decide the legal status of eligible immigrants with deep
community ties. "It requires trusting citizens rather than bureaucrats,"
he said. Is his idea smart?


Even hard-liners should (quietly) back Newt's plan: "I've been a real hard-ass on illegal immigration," says Jay Tea in Wizbang,
but I'm alright with Gingrich's immigration ideas, even with their
"degree of amnesty." The "dark truth" is that some "illegals" are here
to stay, and as long as we put some limits on these local juries'
ability to grant residency, Newt's compromise seems "workable." The
citizen panels even have the "slightly subversive" benefit of taking
immigration law out of federal hands.
"Gingrich exposes dark truth on illegal immigration"


There's less here than meets the eye: Local juries would still require a costly "massive new bureaucracy," says Suzy Khimm in The Washington Post,
a likely deal-breaker for the Right. Meanwhile, the Left will object
that Gingrich's plan heavily favors "well-off immigrants," since
applicants must prove they're receiving no federal assistance. It's nice
that Gingrich is trying to "bridge the gap in the immigration debate,"
but the citizen juries can't support the weight of his half-baked
solutions.
"Gingrich: Citizen juries should decide which illegal immigrants stay or go"


Give Gingrich credit for original thinking: It's not like "Obama has taken courageous stands to create a clearcut path to citizenship for illegal immigrants," says the Santa Cruz, Calif., Sentinel in an editorial.
Gingrich's plan isn't perfect, but he deserves kudos for sticking his
neck out with an "actually fairly detailed" and realistic proposal.
Besides, giving immigrants a shot at chasing the American dream, instead
of automatically ripping them apart from their families, is more than
good policy — it's good politics.
"As we see it: Newt voice on immigration reform"

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  • tomas 2011/11/29 06:20:45
    Yes
    tomas
    +3
    Imagine that, putting America's future back in the hands of it's citizens.

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  • Katherine 2011/12/27 20:52:31
    No
    Katherine
    Great way to manipulate the system. There's already laws. Just enforce them.
  • James Hanks 2011/12/13 05:47:53
    Undecided
    James Hanks
    I'm no fan of Newt, but I have to admit that it's an interesting idea. Not all the decisions would be fair, but then again neither is the current system. I would like to think that most people who sing the "send 'em all back" mentality would reconsider if they personally had to look at a family and hear there story and then tear them away from their productive lives in America to lord knows what back where they came from.
  • DavE 2011/11/30 04:07:02
    No
    DavE
    Hair-brained.

    "One significant example of one-worlder RINO Newt Gingrich’s globalist credentials is his vote in favor of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Implementation Act on November 17, 1993. In a majority Democrat U.S. House of Representatives, Gingrich was a major factor in delivering a majority of the House Republicans to vote for NAFTA !!! This NAFTA Act passed by a vote of 234-200, with 132 Republicans voting “Aye”, including future Speaker of the House Newt “NAFTA-NWO” Gingrich."
  • Bureauc 0webama 2011/11/30 02:23:46
    No
    Bureauc 0webama
    +2
    We have laws on the books. Now let's obey them.
  • jgh57 2011/11/29 17:18:27
    No
    jgh57
    +2
    It is very easy to tell if someone is here illegally.
  • dave b 2011/11/29 17:13:35
    No
    dave b
    +2
    We dont need to have juries decide their status because it is already defined. They are illegal and need to be deported. Period.
    Theres no mystery to our laws.....only to those (or government) who refuse to enforce them to the detriment of our country.
  • Che Guevara - Hero 2011/11/29 15:00:28
    Yes
    Che Guevara - Hero
    Yes, but ONLY if citizens juries get to decide the fate of Tea Party members like Newt Gingrich. lol

    hanging
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2011/11/29 12:57:56
    Yes
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    Technically, they've committed a crime, they should get a trial, and in this country, we try by jury. Better a jury than a bureaucrat, or a politician.
  • Farnsworth 2011/11/29 12:25:43
    No
    Farnsworth
    +1
    yeah, just what we need, a "super committee" of citizens to make this call. I think we have established rules and laws, just enforce it and be done with it.

    Newts RINOism is showing again
  • AL 2011/11/29 08:09:54 (edited)
    No
    AL
    just quit employing them any more
  • den 2011/11/29 07:27:57
    Undecided
    den
    don't forget 1 persopn can hang a jury and there are more illegals than you can produce juries for- so even though it sounds good on the surface I don't think it would work
  • Joe 2011/11/29 07:27:03
    Yes
    Joe
    What a great idea
  • tomas 2011/11/29 06:20:45
    Yes
    tomas
    +3
    Imagine that, putting America's future back in the hands of it's citizens.
  • atomikmom tomas 2011/11/29 07:06:01
    atomikmom
    +1
    WONDERFUL!!!!!!
  • AL tomas 2011/11/29 08:13:30
    AL
    And what if they only pick citizens of their same ethnic back ground as well?
  • tomas AL 2011/11/29 08:27:08
    tomas
    +1
    Damn...you got me. Got point.
  • AL tomas 2011/11/29 08:38:15
    AL
    +1
    Its to easy and simple to be for real! What does a jury of their own peers really mean in this case?
  • Yes
    Jerry (Iron Priest)☮ R ☮ P ☮ 201
    Sure! Let me on all of them!
  • Icanbean Arschloch 2011/11/29 05:41:26
    Yes
    Icanbean  Arschloch
    +3
    Interesting concept. I guess that the "People" would have their say.
  • atomikmom Icanbea... 2011/11/29 05:58:14
    atomikmom
    +1
    YUP!!!! They would and that's what should be done.And not let Obama and the Dems get involved.
  • AL Icanbea... 2011/11/29 09:09:31
    AL
    who would have their say, If it was a jury of their own ethnic peers?
  • Icanbea... AL 2011/11/29 16:15:36
    Icanbean  Arschloch
    Like that's going to happen.
  • AL Icanbea... 2011/11/29 22:40:47
    AL
    +1
    If it looks just to good to be true-be very caeful, because it often is! How would they go about back ground checking people that used more then one name and S.S. numbers as well?
  • Icanbea... AL 2011/11/30 02:08:00
    Icanbean  Arschloch
    Good question. / Let the Jury decide.
  • AL Icanbea... 2011/11/30 02:19:02
    AL
    how can you put them on trial for a back ground check, if we don't even know who they really are!
  • Icanbea... AL 2011/11/30 02:23:13
    Icanbean  Arschloch
    If they are illegal, ... the immigration laws will send them packing.
  • AL Icanbea... 2011/11/30 06:54:46
    AL
    +1
    If they worked here for any time at all, they have already broke at least one federal law at that point as well!
  • atomikmom 2011/11/29 05:03:43
    Yes
    atomikmom
    +3
    I agree 100% that the Citizen juries, should have the final say over the status of the Illegal immigrants here in this country. We can't trust the Feds to make the right choice.
  • CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY 2011/11/29 05:02:57
    Undecided
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    What a logistical nightmare that would be. The law is the law. Any deviation from the law only lowers the standards to begin with. Now, with "citizen juries" deciding an illegal's fate how could we ensure across-the-board equality for same said offense(s). More government intervention?
  • Jerry (... CUDDLY ... 2011/11/29 06:21:06
    Jerry (Iron Priest)☮ R ☮ P ☮ 201
    No, that would actually be the people deciding.
  • CUDDLY ... Jerry (... 2011/11/29 06:40:03
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    Who or what would "ensure" that the citizen juries were doing they're job? Fellow citizens higher up the food chain? BTW, who is auditing the auditors over at the Obama administration?
  • Jerry (... CUDDLY ... 2011/11/29 07:16:11 (edited)
    Jerry (Iron Priest)☮ R ☮ P ☮ 201
    I'll do it. Let me in! Put me in charge; I would be happy to lend a hand.
  • AL CUDDLY ... 2011/11/29 09:12:43
    AL
    +1
    12 million illegal aliens would tie up our whole legal system in fact. Can you imagine the legal cost of that?
  • CUDDLY ... AL 2011/11/29 22:05:03
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    +1
    If it sounds good, people are all for it. They don't bother to look beyond the rosy picture that is being painted for them. The liberal progressives (and the OWS participants) are especially good at it.

    Example BHO = WORST.PRESIDENT.EVER but did you hear anything bad about him in 2008? Nope. As I said, they are really good at sweeping things under the rug.
  • AL CUDDLY ... 2011/11/29 22:11:20
    AL
    +1
    Old Newt is really starting to sound like a horse trader to me,at this point. Just don't look at that old gift horse in the mouth is all
  • CUDDLY ... AL 2011/11/29 22:15:34
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    +1
    I don't know what to think of Newt Gingrich. I've heard so much stuff about him, mostly negative, one has to wonder where all of this recent explosive backing of him is coming from. Newt would take it to Obama and mop the frigging floor with him in any debate, but I doubt BHO will even to agree to debate even one time with his opponent.
  • AL CUDDLY ... 2011/11/29 22:23:42
    AL
    Lets put it this way-his idea of how to deal with millions of illegal aliens isn't even work-able in the first place. Only because they tend to use more then just one false I.D. to begain with. So how can anyone do a real back ground check on them then?That is If No one even knows who they are to start with?
  • CUDDLY ... AL 2011/11/29 22:27:47
  • AL CUDDLY ... 2011/11/29 22:44:36
    AL
    +1
    Its all a big smoke screen-so Newt can pander to the illegal alien employers and hispanics at the same time!

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