religious freedom is about the baby's religion. I don't see how he can have one at that age...
Baby have the right, like any other human, of body integrity
Should Child Circumcision Be Allowed?
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2012/06/28 22:50:47
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Circumcision has been a religious tradition for many years, but has often been the subject of controversy because of the effect it could potentially have on children. On Tuesday, a German court ruled that child circumcision can be classified as "grievous bodily harm." The issue went to court when a 4-year-old boy began bleeding profusely as the result of a circumcision. Naturally, religious communities that practice circumcision are upset.
The court ruled, "[The] fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents ... The religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised, if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to be circumcised."
In response, the head of the Central Committee of Jews said the ruling is "an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination ... [an] outrageous and insensitive act. Circumcision of newborn boys is a fixed part of the Jewish religion and has been practiced worldwide for centuries."
The court ruled, "[The] fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents ... The religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised, if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to be circumcised."
In response, the head of the Central Committee of Jews said the ruling is "an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination ... [an] outrageous and insensitive act. Circumcision of newborn boys is a fixed part of the Jewish religion and has been practiced worldwide for centuries."
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xcheshirecat 2012/06/28 23:19:19
I don't think you would have like a big tatoo in the face
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Cause a man without a penis is SOOO more attractive
If someone find it gross, you're better without her
Yeah, I believe in freedom. Freedom for everyone. That's why you have the right to live even if my religion would tell me to kill you. And a baby to not live with decisions made by their parents religion
Parents can get a circumcision, but can't stop their kids rights
Would you agree if it was a star tattoo in the middle of the face ? I don't think so. Society just told you that modification was ok
Religion is for the individual who has faith only, can't push it on others
If circumcision seems "barbaric" to you, don't circumcise your sons. However, for those who believe in God Yahweh, circumcision is a sacred sign of a covenant between man and God.
"And you shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskins; and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you...my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant."
Gen 7:11, 13
No human government has a right to come between a man's family and God. Unless, you believe human governments know better than God?
Morals can be changed, by the kid as he grows, foreskin won't grow back
CERTAINLY human government knows better than something that is imaginary
Don't force your kids into your religion. Don't change their body forever. it's theirs to decide
As an atheist, I'm sure you raise your children to believe that God is a fairy tale. Should I chastise you for forcing your child into atheism?
It's not just "our religion", it's the only path to salvation according to our faith. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the light. No man comes to the Father except through me". Since you don't believe in God, how can you possibly understand how important it is for a believer to ensure his or her child is right with God? It isn't "forcing our religion" on our kids anymore than setting curfews and telling them not to do drugs is "forcing" them to stay away from things we believe are bad for them. And we believe living a life of sin is definitely a bad thing.
We raise our children to believe in our faith because we, as believers, have good reason to believe in God's promises. I personally have seen miraculous changes in my own life since I found Christ. My parents didn't "force" religion on m...
As an atheist, I'm sure you raise your children to believe that God is a fairy tale. Should I chastise you for forcing your child into atheism?
It's not just "our religion", it's the only path to salvation according to our faith. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the light. No man comes to the Father except through me". Since you don't believe in God, how can you possibly understand how important it is for a believer to ensure his or her child is right with God? It isn't "forcing our religion" on our kids anymore than setting curfews and telling them not to do drugs is "forcing" them to stay away from things we believe are bad for them. And we believe living a life of sin is definitely a bad thing.
We raise our children to believe in our faith because we, as believers, have good reason to believe in God's promises. I personally have seen miraculous changes in my own life since I found Christ. My parents didn't "force" religion on me as a child. I wish they had. It would have saved my twenties from bad friendships, bad relationships, drugs, and jail.
There are many, many accounts of "lost souls" who have found a second chance through Jesus. He loves even the prostitutes, drug dealers, thieves, and drunkards. It's up to the sinner to turn to Him and repent. I'm sure God has changed such people's lives in ways they'd also consider miraculous.
I don't believe morals are as easily changed as you say. If you raise a child without discipline or regard for others, he or she will tend to remain that way even into adulthood. Childhood "issues" are a prime contributor to people undergoing professional counseling.
I contend that it's easier for a flap of skin to grow back than for a lost soul to find redemption. If you don't believe in God, you definitely cannot comprehend the significance of circumcision being a sign of a divine covenant. To you, it means nothing, because God means nothing.
Fortunately, my "religion" doesn't ask me to do stuff to them
Kids have rights. Do what you want to you because of your religion, but don't push it on others
A curfew isn't permanent, the last time I checked
If you did bad stuff, you regret, it'S because it's who you are. Religion has nothing to do with it
I don't care what you do for your religion, but it's not your kid's religion. If you want freedom of religion, give it. Else you shouldn't have it
There's more complications from doing the operation than not doing it
We don't remove appendix in case something happen, just when it happens
0,1 is the complication rates of not being circumcized
But to claim that it is an unsafe procedure is quite simply not based on fact.
Ooops. My mistake. It's not 0.1%. It's 0.34% overall complications.
http://library.tasmc.org.il/w...
"Complications of circumcision are rare in Israel and in most cases are mild and correctable. There appears to be no significantdifferenceinthetyp... ritual circumcisions."
And this is circumcision in NON-medical surroundings.
Kids from jewish families have rights to. And don't tell me they are jewish yet, they are few days old, they don't have a religion
"The estimated 1% to 3% incidence of complications after newborn circumcision covers only the immediate postoperative period prior to the infant's discharge from the hospital. The reported risks are hemorrhage in 1%, infection - occasionally leading to sepsis - in 0.5%, meat[iti]s and meatal stenosis, u[r]ethrocutaneous fistula, adhesions between the glans and remaining prepuce, secondary phimosis, and cosmetically unsatisfactory results. The rate of subsequent repeat surgery to correct adhesions of the glans, meatal stenosis, fistula, and phimosis with buried penis is unknown, but our practice at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia includes about two such cases per month. While this is not a large percentage of the total number of circumcisions preformed, it is a significant number of children undergoing surgery for the complication of this operation. "
- Schwartz, et al. "Pediatric Primary Care: A Problem-solving Approach" pp 861-862.
(At 1.25 million circumcisions of newborns in the US per year, a 0.5% infection rate amounts to 6000 cases per year, and a 4% overall rate of complication...
Kids from jewish families have rights to. And don't tell me they are jewish yet, they are few days old, they don't have a religion
"The estimated 1% to 3% incidence of complications after newborn circumcision covers only the immediate postoperative period prior to the infant's discharge from the hospital. The reported risks are hemorrhage in 1%, infection - occasionally leading to sepsis - in 0.5%, meat[iti]s and meatal stenosis, u[r]ethrocutaneous fistula, adhesions between the glans and remaining prepuce, secondary phimosis, and cosmetically unsatisfactory results. The rate of subsequent repeat surgery to correct adhesions of the glans, meatal stenosis, fistula, and phimosis with buried penis is unknown, but our practice at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia includes about two such cases per month. While this is not a large percentage of the total number of circumcisions preformed, it is a significant number of children undergoing surgery for the complication of this operation. "
- Schwartz, et al. "Pediatric Primary Care: A Problem-solving Approach" pp 861-862.
(At 1.25 million circumcisions of newborns in the US per year, a 0.5% infection rate amounts to 6000 cases per year, and a 4% overall rate of complications requiring treatment represents 48,000 patients experiencing avoidable morbidity.)
Try website from a non biaised country.
3-6% here:
http://circumcisiondecisionma...
And the complication rate you have quoted is about ten times too high. Well, at least as it is done here in Israel. The rate of infection in the article I quoted was even less: 0.01%. Mebbe the folks in the U.S. need to learn something.
Ritual circumcision as practiced according to the Jewish faith is a safe procedure.
But the free practice of Judaism for Jews - the way they have done it for thousands of years - is more important than one person's concept of "rights".
Maybe israel is biaised and doesn't count stuff so the number is lower
It's no safe, no procedure is safe
People rights are more important than a gang of freaks who want to carve others people body like their own perception
Your kids aren't your property.
And to say that "no procedure is safe" is quite simply incorrect. There are many that are safe, from circumcision to laser surgery on the eyes to an appendectomy. However, once you go cutting up someone's skin, nothing is 100%. Actually, NOTHING in life is 100%.
It is more important - for Jews - to follow God's law than it is to submit to the whims and desires of this or that generation. And this includes so-called "rights".
Nothing is 100%, yes, and that's why we don't do it if there's no problems
It's a right. It's you changing somebody else body that isn't a real right
You're really the stupidiest person I've met on this site