Should Child Circumcision Be Allowed?

mutilate v. 1. to cut off or alter radically so as to make imperfect 2. to cut off or permanently destroy a limb or essential part of

Please explain how circumcision meets neither of these definitions.

It doesn't make it imperfect.

It makes it perfect.

Or girls.

Please read the above posts, many have given medical reasons.............!!!!!!!!!

Circumcision actually has little to no benefits and if you actually look it up yourself you can easily read that. Why do you think doctors don't recommend it anymore? It's a barbaric practice that removes a protective layer that contains sensitive nerve endings from your penis. It is not meant to be done!

Anti-circumcision doctors. There are proponent doctors that have released information on medical benefits, which SOME choose to ignore at the detriment to children and their later partners.

There were news stories and countless studies. This is very old news, and there is nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise. You are unnecessarily removing a functioning body part from a unwilling child. It has nerves and plays a vital roll in protecting your penis and giving sexual pleasure. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A FRENULUM IS AND HOW SENSITIVE IT IS AND WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE IT GOES THROUGH FROM CIRCUMCISION! Not even mentioning the rubbing and drying of the glans itself! Its an outdated barbaric practice and it needs to stop! Why dont we preemptively remove childrens appendix. I bet they will notice that less than being missing their foreskin!

There's no damage unless you have a bad doctor. Which is among the most rare in the medical industry. Parents make a lot of decisions for children because it's their responsibility to care for them, including stuff like vaccinations. The benefits far outway the rare bad doctors that exist by a long shot. I wouldn't want to put a child in danger or make them have to suffer later in life because of some leftist cutcases. It's a lot harder, too, to get it later in life. The younger you are, the quicker it heals and the less painful it is. Same people that would send CPC after a parent who wouldn't give their child a blood transfusion for religious reasons, because their child is overweight, or the parent refuses to teach the child homosexuality is natural and healthy (which it isn't), or who would abort a baby, tells a stranger they can't have a flap of skin covering their babies private parts trimmed to prevent disease, cancer and other complications. Sexual pleasure is retained. There is evidence of this everywhere.

Yes, but none of the medical reasons hold up under scrutiny. If keeping your foreskin was so detrimental, Europe would be experiencing some kind of epidemic. News flash: they're not.

Ask my sister about the medical reasons holding up under scrutiny. She fought infections off and on for 25 years with her ex. Other women have had similar complaints. I'll just say this, It is the parent's responsibility and choice at birth, if the child resents it later in life, he can tell his parents about it. Then when he has a son, he can decide to leave his son uncircumcised and that son can tell him about how unnecessary foreskin actually is after he grows up. It's a personal choice that should always be left to the parents, and the kids can complain later if they want to. I NEVER complained to my parents, and I'm 58 now, I was and still am glad that they decided to have it done for me. THANKS MOM AND DAD, I LOVE YOU!!!!

You're pulling that out of your ass or you were lied to because if it was that bad there would be a world wide epidemic. You do realize that the USA is one of the few nations that still does it regularly right?

You are right. Nothing has caused more destruction in history than "tradition" and badly interpretated "religion."

So, would you arrest those Jews who practice circumcision?

FREEDOM is not FORBIDDEN, FINED or PUNISHED.

For those saying that you should wait till they get old enough to decide for themselves, well, the problem is that its more dangerous and painful to do as you grow older. And while I'm perfectly happy not having been circumcised myself, I have to admit there are well known benefits to it. Plus, I haven't heard anyone complain about it being done to them without their permission (though I'm sure it has happened). It doesn't seem like it has a noticeable enough effect on a persons life to ban.

a parent deciding whether or not their child should get a circumcision...

for medical reasons, yes, absolutely.
for ANY other reason, no, not really.

Only because I believe that the right to life free from harm is more important then religious freedom, I think that once the child is old enough to give consent they can make the choice for themselves.

However important it may be to people of jewish faith, circumcision is not a sacrament, unlike a Christian baptism. Circumcision does not affect a Jew's Jewish status. A Jew by birth is a full Jew, even if not circumcised.
and as far as i know there is no real rule based on WHEN the boy must be circumcised, (for medical reasons it is 8 days after birth, but I am sure that for medical reasons that this can be subject to change).

Were you EVER a child? At what age would you decide to go to the hospital and have a doctor WHACK part of your personals off. Very few, if any, children will decide to lay on a table and get cut, even knowing that it is for their own good. What world do you live in? I lost my eye when I was 8 and it took my folks, the doctor, and three nurses to give me the first shot, let alone an added two nurses getting me into the operating room to have my eye cut out. If they had mentioned cutting down there, I would have left home.

Since then, I have had several NEEDED surgeries due to accidents, but If my folks didn't have it done, I wouldn't of had it done any time in my life. I did have a 'snip-snip' because we had 3 boys and that was enough!!!! YOU must be nuts.

P.S. All three of my sons were circumcised at birth, and they all thank me, now that they are in their 20's.

What's your stand on abortion? I suppose if the mother decides she doesn't want a baby tagging along to her next lover's house, it's ok for her to chuck the kid like she did the last 6 she would have had? But that's not mutilation, that's different.

There is no medical reason for unnecessary circumcision, only really a religious/personal reasons, the age of consent is 18 not 8.

Thanks, Phil!

What on earth would they thank you for, saving them from their genitals working like and looking like most healthy civilized men in the world? What did you do for them? And what does abortion have to do with circumcision? If someone told you they believed in abortion, but was against children smoking what difference would it make about whether smoking was bad for a child. You took a long shot gamble and can't prove you got anything to show for it. My son thanked me, when the issue came up. I told him no need to thank me, I didn't do a thing.

You're joking, right?

Genesis 17:10-14

10 This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations, a servant who is born in the house or who is bought with money from any foreigner, who is not of your descendants. 13 A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”

Amen, LittleMissPatriot!

Circumcision is a fundamental part of the practice of Judaism.

About 2300 years ago, the Greeks conquered the Holy Land, and tried to prohibit circumsision, amongst other Jewish practices.

A group of Jews called the Maccabees successfully revolted, and we celebrate their victory in the holiday of Hannukkah.

Hannukkah is a celebration of all things Jewish, among them, circumcision.

but it is not sacrement.

What is "sacrament"?

Sacrament is something that if you do not adhere to you cannot be a member of that religion/go to heaven, a covenant is a vow or a promise.
Circumcision is a covenant with god (judaism), baptism is sacrament (Christianity).

If a Jew is not circumcised, he is חייב כרת , which means he receives a heavenly punishement that he will die before his time, or he will have no descendents. There are other things he is excluded from - like the Paschal lamb offering (we don't do the sacrifice today, but it's still a blemish). He's kind of a second-class Jew. A (male) convert *must* get circumcised, otherwise his conversion is invalid.

In short, it's a very very basic part of Judaism. To prohibit circumcision for Jews would be an act of war on Judaism.

Depends on which Jewish person you talk to.
There are fundamental Jews much like there are fundamental Christians.
The results of this poll show that even 20% of Jews think that child circumcision should be banned.

Uh, no, I didn't say "Jews", I said "Judaism".

uh huh, so all christians follow one sect of christianity...

I don't know about Christianity, I know about Judaism. Do not compare the two. It's like comparing a bicycle to a 747.

Itis both religious and for health. Anyone who opposes this is a closet antisemite!

Yeah because all the diseases that a man is more likely to get because he is uncircumcised have been wiped out right! Anyone who opposes circumcision for newborns is a fool who does not care for the health of the said newborn.

Wow, you should tell all 85% of the worlds intact men that. Because they're all unaware they're supposed to be infected and miserable. Instead they're rather rudely healthy, happy and going on about their lives without cutting up childrens genitals to suit THEIR preferences. GO FIGURE!

Any diseases a man can get can be prevented with good hygein and by practicing safe sex! This isn't the 2nd century in the middle of the desert, you know.

Let the child decide when it's old enough, it's his body and integrity. It does not make him a lesser person and it has nothing to do with being close to God. And with todays hygienics, cleanliness is not a main argument anymore.

I bet you'd say the same thing about vaccines, the benefits aren't achieved if it is done "later", plus would you really like to remember the procedure?

You are comparing circumcision with vaccination programs? I'm not circumcized and it has never been or could have been a threat to my health. With vaccination it's a completely different story. I think circumcision has much more meaning when it's done as a free choice. If I had married a Jewish girl, I would have done it. Out of respect and love.

if you have unprotected sex as an uncircumcised man you are 2x as likely to contract something than I would be.