religious freedom is about the baby's religion. I don't see how he can have one at that age...
Baby have the right, like any other human, of body integrity
Should Child Circumcision Be Allowed?
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2012/06/28 22:50:47
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Circumcision has been a religious tradition for many years, but has often been the subject of controversy because of the effect it could potentially have on children. On Tuesday, a German court ruled that child circumcision can be classified as "grievous bodily harm." The issue went to court when a 4-year-old boy began bleeding profusely as the result of a circumcision. Naturally, religious communities that practice circumcision are upset.
The court ruled, "[The] fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents ... The religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised, if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to be circumcised."
In response, the head of the Central Committee of Jews said the ruling is "an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination ... [an] outrageous and insensitive act. Circumcision of newborn boys is a fixed part of the Jewish religion and has been practiced worldwide for centuries."
The court ruled, "[The] fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents ... The religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised, if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to be circumcised."
In response, the head of the Central Committee of Jews said the ruling is "an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination ... [an] outrageous and insensitive act. Circumcision of newborn boys is a fixed part of the Jewish religion and has been practiced worldwide for centuries."
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xcheshirecat 2012/06/28 23:19:19
*shakes fist lazily, and deadpans* "your bad. Blah-blah--uh, the going to hell bit, etc.ad-yakkity-yak-infinitum. Screw it, you know what the script is, right? Okay, done. Starbucks?" :-)
Sorry, lame joke, but you left the welcome mat for it there.
No offense taken? NONE was intended.
I support people's rights to religion, and it should be allowed, to deal strictly with the question.
However, to support your point and other people's above,
Husband is 'uncut' and I've experienced both--I vastly prefer Uncut. The myths about cleanliness and such, are just that, myths.
There is NO difference in female cancers whether their men are cut or uncut.
Husband was concerned about that, for my safety, and checked it out.
There is NO medical reason aside from some rare congenital incidents where it's justified, needed, or wise to do.
I've spoken with my Dr. other Docs, Pediatricians, etc.. and then checked all that vs. Library research in the medical Library of the University of Alberta.
I stand for people's rights, and it should be allowed--but it should ONLY be done under proper medical supervision, with a local anaesthetic.
The crap about babies not able to feel pain is ABSOLUTE BS,
I checked that out with a Neurologist, and he's amazed people still bel...
*shakes fist lazily, and deadpans* "your bad. Blah-blah--uh, the going to hell bit, etc.ad-yakkity-yak-infinitum. Screw it, you know what the script is, right? Okay, done. Starbucks?" :-)
Sorry, lame joke, but you left the welcome mat for it there.
No offense taken? NONE was intended.
I support people's rights to religion, and it should be allowed, to deal strictly with the question.
However, to support your point and other people's above,
Husband is 'uncut' and I've experienced both--I vastly prefer Uncut. The myths about cleanliness and such, are just that, myths.
There is NO difference in female cancers whether their men are cut or uncut.
Husband was concerned about that, for my safety, and checked it out.
There is NO medical reason aside from some rare congenital incidents where it's justified, needed, or wise to do.
I've spoken with my Dr. other Docs, Pediatricians, etc.. and then checked all that vs. Library research in the medical Library of the University of Alberta.
I stand for people's rights, and it should be allowed--but it should ONLY be done under proper medical supervision, with a local anaesthetic.
The crap about babies not able to feel pain is ABSOLUTE BS,
I checked that out with a Neurologist, and he's amazed people still believe that crap. Babies actually have a lower tolerance and much higher sensitivity to pain than at any other age as their nervous system is still used to the safety of the womb and hasn't been conditioned by environmental adaptation yet.
So, if your thinking of having your kid snipped, consider that last point.
Also, look into the incidents of accidental mutilation resulting from circumcisions.
I know several men that feel violated that a healthy, functioning part of their body was removed without their consent. One of them cannot even have sexual relations because he was cut so tightly and his erections are painful. There is currently a class-action lawsuit in the works for men that have been circumcised against their will. http://www.sueeasy.com/class_...
Perhaps you should stop pushing other's emotions aside? I'm guessing you feel the same about the females that were circumcised here in the U.S.(for the same BS "health" reasons) before it was outlawed in 1997? "They can't miss something they never remember having." Right? At least with your logic...
The lawsuit you cited is interesting, very entertaining. I know of a few other frivolous lawsuits as well, like, there’s one about a man who sued Budweiser who ran a series of ads in which two beautiful women come to life in front of two truck drivers. The Michigan man bought a case of the beer, drank it, and failed to see two women materialize.
Another lawsuit involves a 52 year old traffic officer from Los Angeles who sued Victoria’s Secret for damage to her eye. The damage was caused when she was trying on a new thong. The tight fit caused a metal clip to fly off hitting her in the eye.
Shall I go on? Anybody can sue anyone about anything, that doesn’t make it right or sane or righteous. If those who feel injured by a botched surgical procedure then they SHOULD sue, but no one’s arguing that. The ones that are suing because their “rights” as a baby were infringed upon are the ones in which I laugh a boistero...
The lawsuit you cited is interesting, very entertaining. I know of a few other frivolous lawsuits as well, like, there’s one about a man who sued Budweiser who ran a series of ads in which two beautiful women come to life in front of two truck drivers. The Michigan man bought a case of the beer, drank it, and failed to see two women materialize.
Another lawsuit involves a 52 year old traffic officer from Los Angeles who sued Victoria’s Secret for damage to her eye. The damage was caused when she was trying on a new thong. The tight fit caused a metal clip to fly off hitting her in the eye.
Shall I go on? Anybody can sue anyone about anything, that doesn’t make it right or sane or righteous. If those who feel injured by a botched surgical procedure then they SHOULD sue, but no one’s arguing that. The ones that are suing because their “rights” as a baby were infringed upon are the ones in which I laugh a boisterous hearty laugh at their ridiculousness therein. Baahaahaa. If their baby feelings are so hurt now as adults, maybe they should sue their parents instead. Mom and dad are the ones that gave the go ahead. They should go to mom and dad’s house, hold their breath until they turn blue, stomp into their room and slam the door. That’ll show em.
And while a circumcision is a one time event, I know of another procedure in which boys and girls are held down, sometimes by two and three people and given multiple shots every 3-6 months for years! This is done to infants as young as two weeks, even younger! Babies scream not just because of the needles but also because the injections themselves burn and hurt as it goes into the muscle. It can cause knots, bruising, fever, all sorts of possible side effects, not the least of which allergic reactions. *Gasp* The Horror! And nobody asked those children if they wanted the shots either. Oh the humanity! And if you were to ask those children as adults if they wanted to go through all of that now what would they say, I wonder? Yes, my simple friend, I’m talking about inoculations. The same ones we all got (hopefully) when we were kids and have given to our own kids. At least I know I have. You also probably view this as equally barbaric and unnecessary, as do many American ppl, and you know what - that’s your right as it’s also your right to not circumcise your child. “Your” right because babies rely on mom and dad to make decisions for them until they’re of an age to decide for themselves and sometimes we have to make tough decisions, even painful ones.
A friend of mine had a circumcision late in life and I asked his honest opinion on the subject. This is what he had to say:
"As you know, the wife and I aren’t expecting, but when we have a son we will have him circumsised. I went 21 years without being circumcised and have experienced the good the bad and the ugly pertaining to foreskin and the adult circumcision procedure. Simply put I prefer to be circumcised. It is far more hygienic and as far as aesthetics go, easier on the eyes. In a perfect world little boys always take their baths and wash properly. This is not a perfect and as a young boy I experienced a lot of discomfort, even foul odor due to this fact. Even with proper hygiene, on a hot and humid day I experienced itching and discomfort into adulthood. Please don't take the advice of female MD's on the subject as they have no means of truly grasping the experience of growing up with a circumcised or uncircumcised penis. It certainly is a locker room and bedroom issue, although fairly well endowed (haha) I got an earful in the locker room and as a young adult many girls were uncomfortable due to the stigma that uncircumcised penises are dirty (even though by the time I was sexually active I had a good grasp on penile hygiene). All this trouble over some unnecessary skin?”
[shrugs]
In fact, many people on here with simple minded ideals who can't think beyond there 'tribal' upbringings could/do run on "automatic" to the point where most of the brain could be removed entirely...critical thinking clearly not being their forte...sorry if I used to many 'big words'...
Once again, it's not right nor is it medically necessary to amputate a healthy, functioning body part from another human being. It is a clear violation of someone's rights to bodily autonomy.
Oh... AND I'm sorry ,what did you want links for? My above post was in response to your lack of compassion for human rights because you blatantly believe "no one complains about their circumcision."
http://www.mendocomplain.com/
You also seem to think people don't have access to medical sources for information such as doctors, nurses, medical websites, etc... I also gave my take on that and where some of my own information comes from. What else would you like?
Here's a video of a circumcision done in a physician's office to start you off:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
foreskin restoration is a huge business for plastic surgeons these days.
But, most folks want instant-gratification.
Still, there's a variety of methods.
Look it up...
Punch this into google or whatever
foreskin restoration
I, myself, will leave my children physiologically intact and they can decide for themselves, as is their right, when they are adults if they want to be circumcised or not.
I'll simply act as the agent to guard their rights. But if others choose to have their kids circumcised, that it their choice, also.
But if some wingnut in a hospital tries to subject my male children to it in defiance of my orders, because 'it's policy', they're gonna be cleaning up what I leave as remains of that person with a squegee and a mop.
Grafting, problematic and painful with a not-great results indication.