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Should Child Circumcision Be Allowed?

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Circumcision has been a religious tradition for many years, but has often been the subject of controversy because of the effect it could potentially have on children. On Tuesday, a German court ruled that child circumcision can be classified as "grievous bodily harm." The issue went to court when a 4-year-old boy began bleeding profusely as the result of a circumcision. Naturally, religious communities that practice circumcision are upset.

The court ruled, "[The] fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents ... The religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised, if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to be circumcised."

In response, the head of the Central Committee of Jews said the ruling is "an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination ... [an] outrageous and insensitive act. Circumcision of newborn boys is a fixed part of the Jewish religion and has been practiced worldwide for centuries."

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  • xcheshirecat 2012/06/28 23:19:19
    No
    xcheshirecat
    +41
    religious freedom is about the baby's religion. I don't see how he can have one at that age...

    Baby have the right, like any other human, of body integrity

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  • kengolf Chad 2012/07/24 14:14:25
    kengolf
    +1
    I can assure you that I am NOT spreading lies and, yes, I have seen a circumcision. Proper anesthesia does prevent the pain you are suggesting (or minimize it). Cleanliness is not an issue during most of the years of one's life; however, there are problems that do occur as one ages. Your insulting remark regarding failing to take showers only demeans you. Incontinence is not a new problem. If one is lucky enough to advance to very late years, it is not only possible but probable. I spoke from a lifetime of experience and I hope some will benefit from it. Most of my male friends (and those I served with in WWII) were circumcised and none of them EVER recalled the supposed torture which you condemn. Babies also scream for many other reasons - it is a part of life. I wish you well and know that, some day, experience will teach you more.
  • Ricardo... kengolf 2012/07/26 20:37:22
    RicardoD Diaz
    +3
    Your condescending arrogance isn't evidence in favor of circumcision, it merely discloses your bias. Old men become incontinent for many reasons; having a foreskin is NOT one of them. In industrialized Europe and Japan (similar education level and medical care to US) men are NOT circumcised. They NEVER have any of the problems US medicine (profit motivated business; high circumcision rate makes money) claims foreskins cause. In fact they have better genital health than US males. Circumcised US has rate of HIV 600% higher than Finland, Japan, Norway, and Sweden; 300% higher than worst rate in Europe. Around you, no one would dare to disclose his sense of having been tortured by circumcision; you are an enforcer of the cultural norm; you help maintain the national brainwashing that circumcision is a good thing, when in fact it's only guarantee is less penis. 80% of Earth's males are not circumcised, 16% are Muslims. Why does US need to make up most of the other 4%? I mean, what is the basic cultural common denominator?
  • kengolf Ricardo... 2012/08/08 02:16:47
    kengolf
    +1
    If you would stop your stupid criticism before reading what I said, we could advance this conversation. I did NOT say that OLD men became incontinent BECAUSE of having a foreskin! I said that the foreskin complicates matters for those OLD men who are incontinent! Those are two entirely different situations.
  • Michael... kengolf 2012/08/27 10:14:08
    Michael Taylor
    So if you are old and incontinent, why don't you have your foreskin removed then, instead of calling for all healthy infant boys to be raped and their penises sliced with razors?
  • Monty Michael... 2013/01/31 20:34:38 (edited)
    Monty
    the elderly blled out more when circ'd at that age and can remember the pain,best done at birth,and many who aren't cleaned well who have a foreskin,develop uti's. and wth hell is this rape thing? where did you get that?
    is cleaning a full care elderly man's foresking rape as well? i think not!
  • Monty kengolf 2013/01/31 20:31:31
    Monty
    exactly
  • tom kengolf 2012/07/14 21:09:53
    tom
    +2
    What a bunch of crap.
  • kengolf tom 2012/07/24 14:15:26
    kengolf
    That is a completely different problem but, apparently, you won't have that problem as you seem to be an expert in the field.
  • Mallory kengolf 2012/07/16 16:37:03
    Mallory
    +1
    Wtf??? That is the most uneducated crap I've ever heard.
  • kengolf Mallory 2012/07/24 14:02:20
    kengolf
    It will be interesting to know your views in the future when you are older. You can't force knowledge into a young man's head.
  • Mallory kengolf 2012/07/30 19:02:15
    Mallory
    Who's forcing?
  • kengolf Mallory 2012/08/08 02:19:34
    kengolf
    who is trying to receive it? Just as you cannot expect a teenager to have a mature perspective without having lived through more of life, you can't expect a male in his 30's to 50's to 60's to understand all that will transpire before achieving an age of 85+.
  • kengolf Mallory 2012/07/24 14:04:25
    kengolf
    It must be wonderful to have such a high opinion of yourself. I am fully educated with degrees and 85 years of life experiences. If you don't want to learn, stay as you are.
  • Mallory kengolf 2012/07/30 19:02:46
    Mallory
    Then go change your diaper.
  • kengolf Mallory 2012/08/08 02:20:17
    kengolf
    Typical adolescent humor. Grow up!
  • Mallory kengolf 2012/08/17 16:19:21
    Mallory
    +1
    Kiss my young white ass that has many more years to share my experience and wisdom to young parents. You will soon die and have little time left to share your unwanted opinion.
  • kengolf Mallory 2012/08/21 16:52:01
    kengolf
    What a wonderful attitude! I certainly wish you well and hope you can live up to your high opinion and confidence in yourself. I'm sorry that you had to resort to such language to make a point but I guess that is some of the experience and wisdom that you will be imparting after I'm gone. I thought the purpose of these pages was to solicit opinions so how could they be unwanted..........or is it because you don't agree that it becomes unwanted. You are something else!
  • kengolf 2012/07/21 22:09:40
    +2
    Oh, I can't believe that an seemingly intelligent adult would say such ridiculous things! If you think babies feel no pain, you are sorely mistaken. I guess you wouldn't feel pain if someone tied you down, stripped your clothing off, spread your legs and cut unnecessarily on your genitals??? You must be Superman! Foreskin is NOT a birth defect and whoever fed you such stupid information should be ashamed of themselves!!!!!!!
  • kengolf 2012/07/24 14:03:08
    kengolf
    No one force fed me! I am speaking from 85 years of experience!
  • kengolf 2012/07/28 20:10:29
    +3
    My father passed away at age 86 and spent his entire life intact....with zero problems with being normal and natural. His last years were spent in a nursing home environment and not one care giver recommended that he be circumcised. Oh he was also an accomplished pilot in the U.S. Airforce. Perhaps your 85 years of experiences were not good ones. The biggest threat to intact boys are improper intact care which can end up causing the problems that some argue circumcision will prevent! Today we have facts to back up what nature already knows.....that foreskin is NOT a birth defect. About 80 % of the worlds men are NOT circumcised....and they are not dying of being left natural and normal!
  • kengolf 2012/08/08 02:23:55
    kengolf
    No one is suggesting that circumcision be performed at 85+ years of age. It should be done when an infant. I was in the Army Air Force (before it became the Air Force) and my years have generally been happy and I have a great marriage for the last 58 years. No one, to my knowledge, is suggesting that you will die if you don't have a circumcision!
  • Mallory kengolf 2012/07/30 19:03:51
    Mallory
    If being a wrinkled up miserable hag makes you intelligent, I'll stay young and ignorant forever.
  • kengolf Mallory 2012/08/08 02:21:10
    kengolf
    too bad you don't have that option
  • Mallory kengolf 2012/08/17 16:20:43
    Mallory
    Young at heart. ;) I'll never be like you.
  • Michael... kengolf 2012/08/27 10:16:27
    Michael Taylor
    Too bad they didn't circumcize you from the neck up.
  • concern... kengolf 2012/07/22 07:21:44
    concerned cynic
    +2
    Infant circumcision without careful use of local anesthesia, very common in USA hospitals and near universal in Judaism, is intensely painful.
    Before deciding that the foreskin complicates incontinence in old age, please interview some European nursing home employees.
    Once the foreskin becomes completely retractable, it is trivial to keep the penis clean.
  • james.s... kengolf 2012/08/04 23:20:58
    james.stewart.904108
    +3
    The emotional pain that consumed me after learning what was done to me is far worse than the physical pain could ever be.
  • kengolf james.s... 2012/08/08 02:25:01
    kengolf
    AWWWWWWWWWW!
  • Michael... james.s... 2012/08/27 10:18:51
    Michael Taylor
    I agree, the trust is broken. The people who do this deserve scorn and deserve to be humiliated for their attitude as well as the action of having molested a child. If they are unrepentant, disown them and punish them.
  • Michael... kengolf 2012/08/27 10:11:03
    Michael Taylor
    Stick a needle in a babies hand and see if "there is no pain". (seriously, don't.) I think the reason why the babies gasp and turn purple is because they are in excruciating pain, not because they think it's cool you're slicing off a piece of their genitals with a razorblade. Probably has to do with why these baby-rapers have to STRAP DOWN the infants to a plastic baby-raping table to do this.
  • KoolGuyL 2012/07/10 17:58:37
    No
    KoolGuyL
    +9
    It is mutilation, pure and simple. Religion doesn't give you the right to chop off parts of little boy's genitals, either.
  • laydeelapis 2012/07/09 20:05:38
    No
    laydeelapis
    +6
    Not if it's causing them significant harm. Besides, if it's for religious reasons than they should wait until the child grows up and decides on a religion for himself.
  • dallasjoe 2012/07/09 15:40:44
    No
    dallasjoe
    +6
    Should be up to the child once they reach age of Majority
  • Shah Ariffin 2012/07/09 14:37:38
    Yes
    Shah Ariffin
    +4
    Yes, because it is cleaner than the penis is not removed the excess skin. This was shown by all medical doctors and health, most non-Muslims have approach to circumcision for health, hygiene and sex. It is up to the doctors themselves who make mistakes, but now we are in an advanced age, plastic surgery can be done and there is no reason to say NO!
  • Rodrigo... Shah Ar... 2012/07/09 15:53:06
    Rodrigo Girão
    +9
    There is no "excess skin". Having a foreskin is the normal, healthy condition of the male human. Its removal has proven negative side effects to man's sexual health.
  • KoolGuyL Shah Ar... 2012/07/10 18:02:04
    KoolGuyL
    +8
    Every year, infants DIE due to botched circumcision. it is NOT cleaner. It takes you two seconds to clean a foreskin. Nor is it excess skin, it is normal. There are no medical benefits to circumcision. If it served no purpose, evolution would have taken it out by now.
  • Kitsune... Shah Ar... 2012/07/11 02:31:41
  • Marlene... Kitsune... 2012/07/20 06:02:24
    Marlene Wilkins
    +3
    Consider yourself duly jihadized. LoL :-)
    *shakes fist lazily, and deadpans* "your bad. Blah-blah--uh, the going to hell bit, etc.ad-yakkity-yak-infinitum. Screw it, you know what the script is, right? Okay, done. Starbucks?" :-)
    Sorry, lame joke, but you left the welcome mat for it there.
    No offense taken? NONE was intended.

    I support people's rights to religion, and it should be allowed, to deal strictly with the question.

    However, to support your point and other people's above,

    Husband is 'uncut' and I've experienced both--I vastly prefer Uncut. The myths about cleanliness and such, are just that, myths.
    There is NO difference in female cancers whether their men are cut or uncut.
    Husband was concerned about that, for my safety, and checked it out.

    There is NO medical reason aside from some rare congenital incidents where it's justified, needed, or wise to do.
    I've spoken with my Dr. other Docs, Pediatricians, etc.. and then checked all that vs. Library research in the medical Library of the University of Alberta.

    I stand for people's rights, and it should be allowed--but it should ONLY be done under proper medical supervision, with a local anaesthetic.

    The crap about babies not able to feel pain is ABSOLUTE BS,
    I checked that out with a Neurologist, and he's amazed people still bel...


    Consider yourself duly jihadized. LoL :-)
    *shakes fist lazily, and deadpans* "your bad. Blah-blah--uh, the going to hell bit, etc.ad-yakkity-yak-infinitum. Screw it, you know what the script is, right? Okay, done. Starbucks?" :-)
    Sorry, lame joke, but you left the welcome mat for it there.
    No offense taken? NONE was intended.

    I support people's rights to religion, and it should be allowed, to deal strictly with the question.

    However, to support your point and other people's above,

    Husband is 'uncut' and I've experienced both--I vastly prefer Uncut. The myths about cleanliness and such, are just that, myths.
    There is NO difference in female cancers whether their men are cut or uncut.
    Husband was concerned about that, for my safety, and checked it out.

    There is NO medical reason aside from some rare congenital incidents where it's justified, needed, or wise to do.
    I've spoken with my Dr. other Docs, Pediatricians, etc.. and then checked all that vs. Library research in the medical Library of the University of Alberta.

    I stand for people's rights, and it should be allowed--but it should ONLY be done under proper medical supervision, with a local anaesthetic.

    The crap about babies not able to feel pain is ABSOLUTE BS,
    I checked that out with a Neurologist, and he's amazed people still believe that crap. Babies actually have a lower tolerance and much higher sensitivity to pain than at any other age as their nervous system is still used to the safety of the womb and hasn't been conditioned by environmental adaptation yet.

    So, if your thinking of having your kid snipped, consider that last point.
    Also, look into the incidents of accidental mutilation resulting from circumcisions.
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  • Shah Ar... 2012/07/21 22:20:53
    +5
    Hogwash......someone seriously LIED to you! Do some research. Foreskin is not excess skin, it is a vital part of the penis and nature intended it that way. What ignorance.
  • Mallory Shah Ar... 2012/07/23 15:28:20
    Mallory
    +1
    If they wanted better sex, they would leave it.

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