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Should Child Circumcision Be Allowed?

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Circumcision has been a religious tradition for many years, but has often been the subject of controversy because of the effect it could potentially have on children. On Tuesday, a German court ruled that child circumcision can be classified as "grievous bodily harm." The issue went to court when a 4-year-old boy began bleeding profusely as the result of a circumcision. Naturally, religious communities that practice circumcision are upset.

The court ruled, "[The] fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents ... The religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised, if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to be circumcised."

In response, the head of the Central Committee of Jews said the ruling is "an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination ... [an] outrageous and insensitive act. Circumcision of newborn boys is a fixed part of the Jewish religion and has been practiced worldwide for centuries."

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  • xcheshirecat 2012/06/28 23:19:19
    No
    xcheshirecat
    +41
    religious freedom is about the baby's religion. I don't see how he can have one at that age...

    Baby have the right, like any other human, of body integrity

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  • Chaya2010 2012/07/21 21:56:14
    +6
    what a smoke screen for what is really happening! Thank goodness people are starting to understand the harm that non therapeutic genital cutting does to infants and children. IT's about protecting children!!!!!!
  • Mike Nash Chaya2010 2012/08/03 20:10:18
    Mike Nash
    +2
    Hatred? How about clitoral curcumcision? Whould you like that?
  • Matt 2012/07/13 14:47:44
    Yes
    Matt
    +2
    I guess if we're not going to allow circumcision, then we should also leave the embillical cord attached. I am circumcised and I don't even remember it so even if it hurt at the time, it doesn't now. Do you think people would have a problem with it if it wasn't originally a Jewish tradition? I think not. People have a problem with circumcision but think abortion is ok. That just goes to show that there is something seriously wrong with society today.
  • Mallory Matt 2012/07/18 00:31:39
    Mallory
    +8
    Umbilical cords rot off. Forskins are not dead tissue. Live tissue that has to be surgically removed. Umbilical cords are meant to be temporary, so how can you compare a temporary piece of flesh intended to provide nutrition only in utero? My husband doesn't remember his first botched circumcision, but he remembers the second botched circumcision that he had to have because his first was deforming. So is that ok? The first one is ok because he didn't remember it?
  • Mallory 2012/07/21 22:00:05
    +6
    Excellent point. Nature INTENDS for the umbilical cord to detach because it's purpose is fulfilled, but unnecessary cutting of infant boys genitals is NOT natural. Nature intends for males to have a foreskin and that's why they are born with one! Foreskin is NOT a birth defect......BUT if a man decides to alter his body as an informed adult.....hey, no problem! Just because you don't remember it, doesn't make it any less vile.
  • Mallory 2012/07/23 15:19:34
    Mallory
    +4
    Just like you said before your last statement...if a MAN decides to do it. The entire fact of this is that it is vile if it isn't a man capable of deciding for himself. That is the argument here, in a nutshell. The man decides, the baby opposes. I agree with everything else you said. Well stated, but it would be perfect if you agreed that on top of everything else, it's a personal choice.
  • collide... Matt 2012/07/19 20:36:45
    collideronline
    +1
    Your comment is prime example of what's wrong with society and how war, dictatorship, violence, etc. continue, although not rational to the well being of society. They've been conned by those who do benefit to believe it's for "their own good" or good of all, or both. First one must be gullible enough to believe in the purity of their leaders, parents, doctors, intent. Once trust is gained, faith in their leadership is second to questioning their reasons.
    As one man or a few, I can't force an auditorium of people to leave, but I can put on a policemen's uniform, that indicates a desire to protect everyone, and say there is a bomb, and most likely, I'll achieve my intent. Jews do not circumcise for a "reason" they do it because God said to, and that God would never do anything to harm them. No rational reason will stop them. Children are taught to obey their parents even though they don't see reason, because of their "intent" to to be doing what's best for the child.
    You are complacent and follow blindly. You show you believe in hypocrisy by using it with abortion. It's common false thinking. What a person believes or does in one regard, DOES NOT prove what they say is false about something else. It DOES show things about character and intent. I smoke, but I'll tell you it's...
    Your comment is prime example of what's wrong with society and how war, dictatorship, violence, etc. continue, although not rational to the well being of society. They've been conned by those who do benefit to believe it's for "their own good" or good of all, or both. First one must be gullible enough to believe in the purity of their leaders, parents, doctors, intent. Once trust is gained, faith in their leadership is second to questioning their reasons.
    As one man or a few, I can't force an auditorium of people to leave, but I can put on a policemen's uniform, that indicates a desire to protect everyone, and say there is a bomb, and most likely, I'll achieve my intent. Jews do not circumcise for a "reason" they do it because God said to, and that God would never do anything to harm them. No rational reason will stop them. Children are taught to obey their parents even though they don't see reason, because of their "intent" to to be doing what's best for the child.
    You are complacent and follow blindly. You show you believe in hypocrisy by using it with abortion. It's common false thinking. What a person believes or does in one regard, DOES NOT prove what they say is false about something else. It DOES show things about character and intent. I smoke, but I'll tell you it's bad for you. So, that makes me a hypocrite, and liar, so smoking is good for you, right? No. Might make you wonder why I'm telling you though. What if I hate Jews or their tradition? Does it mean I can't teach math correctly? If I never knew I was left a fortune a birth, would I miss it later? If we're going to allow circumcision, shouldn't we allow tribal scarification? If we allow Jews to mark their babies of their religion, can I tattoo "Christian" on my son so people know?
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  • james.s... Matt 2012/08/04 23:17:11
    james.stewart.904108
    +6
    That's right. There is definitely something wrong with the society that allows people to mutilate the genitals of children.
  • Michael... Matt 2012/08/27 10:03:24
    Michael Taylor
    +1
    I am against circumcision, and I have a problem with abortion. Jews can even manage to whine about not being aborted, though. http://www.lifesitenews.com/n...
  • Monty Matt 2013/01/31 20:27:26
    Monty
    indeed
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/07/13 13:29:10
    Yes
    jackolantyrn356
    +2
    oddly women who are married to circumcised men do no have much vaginal cancer
  • jackola... 2012/07/21 22:02:55
    +2
    that's baloney....
  • Ricardo... jackola... 2012/07/26 20:14:45
    RicardoD Diaz
    +4
    Old wives tale based on anecdotal observation from US physician that his Jewish patients didn't have much (cervical?) cancer. Compared to what/whom? No data on how many had circumcised husbands. No control group for comparison. REAL science, eh? In a professional study in Middle East (Lebanon or Palestine) wives of circumcised Muslims had much higher rate of cervical cancer than wives of Christian neighbors (non-circumcised husbands). German researchers who invented HPV vaccine found it's a matter of genetics; one inherits susceptibility. (They also refuted another HPV myth: women sexually active with more men had it more often, celibate women never. In fact celibate nuns have it.) So if women in ME study were all of Arabic phenotype, why the difference? ME Christians have a long history of intermarrying with European Christians, diversifying their gene pool. ME Muslims do not have a similar tradition. Pseudoscience of Circumcision promotion causes deaths as it delays the intervention of real science; people "believe" circumcision is protecting them when it is not. So men in Africa leave circumcision clinics proclaiming they will never have to use a condom again. And HIV infections in Africa increase. But never mind, circumcision delusion also increases, keeping us happy.
  • Reed 2012/07/12 08:29:56
    Yes
    Reed
    +3
    I think it should be up to the parents, but, I also want to stress the fact that it should be done by a physician, or someone who was thoroughly trained by a physician!!!!!
  • Karen G Reed 2012/07/15 14:43:08
    Karen G
    +8
    Why should it be up to the parents? It's not the parent's penis. No medical organization in the world recommends infant circumcision. Sure, some individual doctors do, but collectively, the medical evidence for recommending it is just not there.
  • Reed 2012/07/21 22:05:15
    +2
    "Trained Physician"???? Who cares who it is who performs this barbaric procedure with NO medical indications of need to the infant? It should NOT be up to the parents since they DO NOT own that penis they are consenting to being unnecessarily cut! His body = His choice, any other way is morally wrong.
  • Reed 2012/07/23 04:29:48
    Reed
    Really? Did you know HPA run rampant if you don't?
  • Reed 2012/07/23 04:33:41
    Reed
    +1
    Its about cleanliness and HPV how can you not agree with it? Then your child gets older and resets you!!!
  • Mallory Reed 2012/07/23 15:26:03
    Mallory
    +1
    Since when did circumcision become a built in condom? Fyi, HPV is contracted with condom use.
  • Reed Mallory 2012/07/23 21:31:07
    Reed
    +1
    No it isn't look it up, I'm in med school, I would know!!!
  • Reed 2012/07/28 20:00:42
    +2
    How is it that medical professionals are the least knowledgeable about foreskin??? Imagine a MEd student believing that nature would put a perfectly normal body part on every male infant, only to "need" it chopped off for cleanliness issues? Wow.....females have way more folds of skin to keep clean and female infants are much more prone to infections than male infants, but I don't see a Med student advocating for female infants to be "trimmed" up to avoid hygiene issues and infections! It's so ridiculous!
  • Reed 2012/07/29 15:57:52
    Reed
    +1
    Do you have any medical training?
  • Reed 2012/07/29 15:59:00
    Reed
    +1
    That's what medical professionals are trained in ANATOMY!!!
  • james.s... Reed 2012/08/04 23:20:14
    james.stewart.904108
    +2
    Then by all means. Please explain to us the functions of the foreskin.
  • bigbatb... james.s... 2012/09/01 13:46:01
    bigbatboy23
    you must be circumcised then.
  • ToraTig... Reed 2012/08/24 04:12:18
    ToraTigress
    +3
    Were your trained in anatomy about the functions of the foreskin? What it does and how it does it? No, probably not, especially if you went to medical school in the United States. As an RN, I am sure I know more about the foreskin than you do but that is not your fault. Proper anatomy and care are just not taught.
  • Reed ToraTig... 2012/08/24 05:20:26
    Reed
    No, I think I know more, I am an RN and I am in med school for neurosurgery so...
  • Michael... Reed 2012/08/27 10:08:01
    Michael Taylor
    So what part of the brain has to malfunction for a white parent to act like a jew and cut off the foreskin of his/her offspring?
  • Reed Michael... 2012/08/30 07:06:37
    Reed
    I'm not Jewish but, I'm sensing an Anti-Semite...
  • Aubrey ... Reed 2012/08/03 18:37:12
    Aubrey Taylor
    I looked it up for you. http://jid.oxfordjournals.org... "Neither condom usage nor circumcision was associated with HPV DNA prevalence."
  • Reed Aubrey ... 2012/08/30 07:08:00
    Reed
    you believe everything you read on the internet as opposed to actually going to college for medicine? Okay, do you know how many studies are different? That's why they do so many.
  • Aubrey ... Reed 2012/08/03 18:32:26
    Aubrey Taylor
    What of the women who have HPV and did not have their labia excised from them as infants? Are they to be resentful of thier parents for not 'protecting them'? Were I male with amputated genitalia in the name of STD prevention, what I would RESENT, is the idea that I am, as an infant, assumed to be SO STUPID based on my sex, that I will fail myself in hygeine and safe sex decision making.
  • james.s... Reed 2012/08/04 23:19:28
    james.stewart.904108
    +6
    I deeply resent my parents for what they did to me. It's a part of my body and there was no medical problem and yet they cut it off any way. They had no right.
  • bigbatb... james.s... 2012/10/24 02:55:42
    bigbatboy23
    you are not happy that your parents had you circumcised.
  • Michael... Reed 2012/08/27 10:06:40
    Michael Taylor
    Hopefully if you raped your baby Reed, it will get older and "reset" you with a surgical scalpel.
  • Mallory Reed 2012/07/23 15:23:47
    Mallory
    Only a doctor should be performing any surgery that should require pain relief. It's also cosmetic surgery. Would you want a nurse performing painful surgery on your infant?
  • Ricardo... Reed 2012/07/26 20:20:06
    RicardoD Diaz
    Many horrible botches are done by physicians, and diseases spread. In a Long Island hospital an antibiotic resistant infection almost killed 15-20 recently circumcised boys. Boys not circumcised and girls did not contract the disease. Doctors botch at least 15% (probably 30% or more) seriously enough to require corrective surgery by pediatric urologists. But we won't quit doing it because we've been acculturated to accept the risk because someone says we need to keep on doing it. Are we crazy?
  • Roy 2012/07/11 00:40:26
    No
    Roy
    +6
    The fact that this is a question for debate shows that our cultural understandings and civilization in general is FAR from being evolved according to the knowledge of the collective. The fact that people STILL think this practice has ANYTHING to do with either spirituality/something sacred or human health in general is another example of how stupid brainwashing indoctrination can make people even in modern times.

    If it was just a fringe sociological issue that was only practiced by aborigines and/or island people distant and/or rebelling against the more advanced 'outside' culture then that would be understandable for an obviously more primitive and superstitious people with no scientific education...BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE and is just yet another glaring example of how primitive minds merely adapt and adopt ways and ideals that are counterproductive and indeed detrimental to the overall well-being and SANITY of the whole of the people.

    One can only hope that this nut-ball game of gods, demons and other assorted delusions will be some day seen as offensively obsolete and the blight on humanity that religion and most of it's distractions actually is.
  • kengolf 2012/07/10 19:34:50
    Yes
    kengolf
    +3
    Yes, it should definitely be allowed for many reasons. Firstly, there is no pain if done at an early age. More importantly, it is a cleanliness issue and will become much more important in later life. When a non-circumcised male reaches his senior years, he will also probably be faced with incontinence. Then you have a real problem since the foreskin completely covers the penis and, because of the urgent need to "relieve" himself, the senior may have difficulty in clearing the head of the penis in time. when that happens, the senior may be embarrassed with urine on his pants or spraying the floor around the toilet. No Joke! Get that kid circumsised!
  • Chad kengolf 2012/07/11 03:18:32
    Chad
    +8
    You are spreading lies. Have you ever seen a circumcision? Babies SCREAM when circumcised. Some pass out from the extreme pain (shock.) As for cleanliness, have you ever heard of taking a shower? Wash. It's pretty easy. Your claims of incontinence is a new one. Having an intact body has nothing to do with that condition. Did you know that only 30% of American newborn boys are circumcised as of present? In a few decades, most American men will be intact. There is absolutely no good reason to torture and mutilate an unconsenting child's genitals. Only excuses, myths and lies.

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