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Should Child Circumcision Be Allowed?

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Circumcision has been a religious tradition for many years, but has often been the subject of controversy because of the effect it could potentially have on children. On Tuesday, a German court ruled that child circumcision can be classified as "grievous bodily harm." The issue went to court when a 4-year-old boy began bleeding profusely as the result of a circumcision. Naturally, religious communities that practice circumcision are upset.

The court ruled, "[The] fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents ... The religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised, if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to be circumcised."

In response, the head of the Central Committee of Jews said the ruling is "an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination ... [an] outrageous and insensitive act. Circumcision of newborn boys is a fixed part of the Jewish religion and has been practiced worldwide for centuries."


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  • xcheshirecat 2012/06/28 23:19:19
    No
    xcheshirecat
    +41
    religious freedom is about the baby's religion. I don't see how he can have one at that age...

    Baby have the right, like any other human, of body integrity

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  • erikacr... Drachen 2012/07/06 19:46:54
    erikacrooks
    +1
    It takes .02 seconds to clean under the adult foreskin. You really dodged a bullet there!
  • Vee MrSexyP... 2012/07/02 21:38:24
    Vee
    +4
    Females actually produce 20 times more smegma than intact males! So females are MUCH dirtier than intact males, and I don't see anyone here trying to promote female genital mutilation.
  • Drachen Vee 2012/07/02 21:43:58
    Drachen
    I believe there is a difference.. a great difference in anatomy. Common sense will dictate, even by looks, it would be easier and have better results circumsizing a male vs. a female.
  • erikacr... Drachen 2012/07/06 19:47:56
    erikacrooks
    That's not common sense, that's social conditioning.
  • MrSexyP... Vee 2012/07/03 20:18:38
    MrSexyPants
    exactly.
  • Mallory Drachen 2012/07/02 23:56:08
    Mallory
    +5
    As a woman, who has been with circumcised and intact men, I can absolutely say you are definitely incorrect without a doubt on that one. Being with an intact man is much more comfortable and foreskin provides protection against friction and fluid loss during intercourse, which is the number one problem for women associated with pain during sex. Also neither intact male complained about pain, but enjoyed their intact penis. I'm sorry you never had the benefit of experiencing the joys of a foreskin.
  • Drachen Mallory 2012/07/03 01:37:34
    Drachen
    Never will, either. Sorry, but I have to disagree that circumcision is bad.
  • Mallory Drachen 2012/07/04 04:36:15
    Mallory
    Like most circumcised men, it has become clear they are subconsciously disappointed in what they've been missing.
  • ~Here C... Mallory 2012/07/11 23:32:01
    ~Here Comes The Sun~
    +1
    my boyfriend is.. and he said he'll never do it to his son!
  • Mallory ~Here C... 2012/07/16 16:51:57
    Mallory
    +1
    What a great man you have..that's awesome.
  • erikacr... Drachen 2012/07/06 19:49:03
    erikacrooks
    Go watch a video of infant circumcision and then tell us if you still disagree that it's bad.
  • ~Here C... erikacr... 2012/07/16 22:59:00
    ~Here Comes The Sun~
    why on earth would we wanna? its child abuse in my books!
  • mmmholl... Drachen 2012/07/03 15:24:28
    mmmhollywould
    +1
    No, no mutilation. Why be lazy, just use a wash cloth? http://www.blogster.com/mmmho...
  • Roy Mun... Drachen 2012/08/14 19:19:01
    Roy Munson **SL, BD**
    amen!
  • Roy Mun... Drachen 2013/04/05 03:05:46
    Roy Munson **SL, BD**
    yeah! don't you just love how people use the word "mutilation" to further their cause?
  • Mike 2012/07/02 17:36:32
    Yes
    Mike
    because this is how god told us to do. The bible is not flexible. What ever the way Circumcision has been done since Avrohom Uviny. this is the same how we will be doing it. this will never be changed. We are ready to go for this all the way. No one in the world will change us. No one was ever hurt of obeying the toirah
  • Rodrigo... Mike 2012/07/02 20:36:49
    Rodrigo Girão
    +1
    The Bible is not flexible? Fun fact: in the "Book of J", the original version of the Torah, circumcision is not even mentioned. It was added centuries later.
  • Mallory Mike 2012/07/03 00:02:44
    Mallory
    +2
    Circumcision was first mentioned in the Bible (Old Testament I might add) as a symbol of a pact between God and Abraham. God said his sons were to be circumsized as well to represent that pact. No male born today can be proved to be a descendant to Abraham, fyi.
  • robert.blackwell.980 2012/07/02 15:53:06
    No
    robert.blackwell.980
    +4
    They should be given a choice when they are older
  • ticlo7 2012/07/02 15:48:41
    Yes
    ticlo7
    +1
    But only at the age when the child can decide for themselves. Until that age, no.
  • Rodrigo... ticlo7 2012/07/02 16:18:50
    Rodrigo Girão
    +2
    Meaning, it can't be done to children.
  • ticlo7 Rodrigo... 2012/07/02 16:49:47
    ticlo7
    Depends, children can be a lot more mature then they appear. It's just assumed that none of them can make their own decisions.
  • Angryfa... ticlo7 2012/07/02 19:10:11
    Angryface01
    Would you then decide that a minor should be allowed legally to get tattoos, piercings, or to have gender-reassignment surgery?
  • ticlo7 Angryfa... 2012/07/02 20:43:04
    ticlo7
    Yes, if they want to do it I'd explain to them the correct age to have that sort of thing done. When that age comes, I'd explain the implications, pros/cons etc... and then if they still want to go through with it, they can.

    Being at an age where I've just exited the age group that would come under 'child', I know children can be a lot more mature with these kind of things than they seem. It CAN be the parent's choice to decide the appropriate age but only the child's choice whether or not they want it. Just explain everything first, pros AND cons.
  • u000 2012/07/02 10:55:53
    Yes
    u000
    it should be optional
  • Lorin Morgan 2012/07/02 06:25:33 (edited)
    Yes
    Lorin Morgan
    +2
    The amount of positive, erm, results I guess, outweighs the nagatives and it is a religious practice, the tradition should be allowed. But personally it's a parents choice, if you do it when they're young they won't remember it.
  • Vee Lorin M... 2012/07/02 20:57:55
  • joe 2012/07/02 05:36:59
    No
    joe
    +5
    Religious freedom stops at the body of a child. There is no medical reason for circumcision and it does much more long-term harm than good: loss of sensitivity, keratosis of the penis head, much higher percentage of of E.D. and premature ejaculation, reduction of penis size, and more difficulties breast feeding. On the other hand, drug companies that sell Viagra love it as do hospitals that sell neo-natal foreskin for about $550 a mm.
  • carri b... joe 2012/07/02 16:09:05
    carri byers
    If your understanding of "freedom" were recognized world wide, abortion would be a procedure for the health of the mother only since the modern medical community you so admire so much acknowledges the embryo is human and feels pain very early on...hope you're as anti-abortion as you are anti-circumcision.

    Many physician still believe there are benefits, though not as beneficial as once thought, of circumcision.

    Certified sites like the Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.com/hea... , Dr David Hawker http://www.circinfo.com/benef... , Family Doctors http://familydoctor.org/famil... , and the AAP and the AAFP who both say, "The Task Force (on circumcision) did recommend making all parents aware of the potential benefits and risks of circumcision and leaving it to the family to decide whether circumcision is in the best interests of their child.…Circumcision falls into that group of procedures that have potential medical benefits and some risks and should be evaluated by each family in the context of their personal beliefs and values as well as their ethnic, cultural, and religious practices. The Task Force respects the role of parents as decision-makers for their newborns and recommends that physicians discuss with parents the potential benefits as well as risks of circumcisio...
    If your understanding of "freedom" were recognized world wide, abortion would be a procedure for the health of the mother only since the modern medical community you so admire so much acknowledges the embryo is human and feels pain very early on...hope you're as anti-abortion as you are anti-circumcision.

    Many physician still believe there are benefits, though not as beneficial as once thought, of circumcision.

    Certified sites like the Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.com/hea... , Dr David Hawker http://www.circinfo.com/benef... , Family Doctors http://familydoctor.org/famil... , and the AAP and the AAFP who both say, "The Task Force (on circumcision) did recommend making all parents aware of the potential benefits and risks of circumcision and leaving it to the family to decide whether circumcision is in the best interests of their child.…Circumcision falls into that group of procedures that have potential medical benefits and some risks and should be evaluated by each family in the context of their personal beliefs and values as well as their ethnic, cultural, and religious practices. The Task Force respects the role of parents as decision-makers for their newborns and recommends that physicians discuss with parents the potential benefits as well as risks of circumcision so that parents can decide whether circumcision is in the child's best interests."
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  • Rodrigo... carri b... 2012/07/02 16:22:51
    Rodrigo Girão
    +4
    Circinfo? Oh, the Gilgal Society – whose life-long celibate leader Vernon Quaintance was recently arrested for possession of child porn. I am not making this up!
  • carri b... Rodrigo... 2012/07/02 20:51:44
    carri byers
    And the Mayo Clinic? Your liberal tactic of attacking the source instead of answering to the info won't float here. What about the AAP? Are they child porn possessors too? Give me a break.

    It is a parental decision. When you are ready to take the full fiscal, emotional and physical responsibility for every child born, then you can talk about outlawing their decision making rights.
  • Rodrigo... carri b... 2012/07/02 21:04:34
    Rodrigo Girão
    +3
    Since I can't take full fiscal, emotional and physical responsibility for every child born, I am not allowed to speak against child abuse. Great reasoning there, champ.
  • erikacr... carri b... 2012/07/06 19:53:25
    erikacrooks
    So, your reasoning is that babies have rights...until they're born and then the parents can do whatever they want, like have their genitals cut up. Good logic.
  • carri b... erikacr... 2012/07/06 21:35:00
    carri byers
    No more or less logical than to say a tiny infant is traumatized for life by a procedure he will never remember. Studies show humans don't develope long term memory till 2 to 5 years of age. Nothing that happens to a 7 days old baby will stay with him.

    And what I'm saying is that abortion has a 98% mortality rate while circumcision has 0.5 mortality rate - seems to me, if you are going to soapbox for infant rights it makes more sense to fight a sure killer than a very minor operation that occasionally has complications that can lead to death - since both abortion and circumcision are elective procedures.
  • handimom 2012/07/02 05:05:27
    Yes
    handimom
    I chose not to with my son, but that was my choice. If my son chooses to do so for religious reasons now that he is old enough to decide, that is his choice.
  • Small man big mouth 2012/07/02 03:36:38
  • ~Here Comes The Sun~ 2012/07/02 03:14:00
    No
    ~Here Comes The Sun~
    +2
    they should make their own decision ! it decreases sexual pleasure..
  • perviasrectus 2012/07/02 03:09:04
    No
    perviasrectus
    +3
    Religion is supposed to be a choice and so should circumcision.Do you think an infant could possibly make that choice? I do not.To make that choice for him is denying rights he should have when he becomes a man.Children are not to be owned which,is slavery,and treated a such! The bible states that rebellious children were publicly stoned,do we still do that!
  • carri b... pervias... 2012/07/02 16:12:37
    carri byers
    Interesting. The American Association of Physicians and the American Association of Family Physicians have this to say:

    "The Task Force found the evidence of low incidence, high-morbidity problems not sufficiently compelling to recommend circumcision as a routine procedure for all newborn males. However, the Task Force did recommend making all parents aware of the potential benefits and risks of circumcision and leaving it to the family to decide whether circumcision is in the best interests of their child.…Circumcision falls into that group of procedures that have potential medical benefits and some risks and should be evaluated by each family in the context of their personal beliefs and values as well as their ethnic, cultural, and religious practices. The Task Force respects the role of parents as decision-makers for their newborns and recommends that physicians discuss with parents the potential benefits as well as risks of circumcision so that parents can decide whether circumcision is in the child's best interests."
  • Vee carri b... 2012/07/02 20:58:46

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