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Should Being Gay be illegal? What should be the punishment?

santanasmooth 2011/12/22 17:09:21
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I think being gay is a natural part of who that person is. as natural and normal as being left or right handed. So many people on this site say being gay is immoral? They claim it is an abomination.i say they are the ones that are immoral. What say you?
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  • JCD aka "biz" 2012/02/07 17:39:27
    It's shouldn't be
    JCD aka "biz"
    Thousands of gay men were castrated in the Nazi concentration camps. Do some crazy Right-Wingers believe that the Nazis were right? Possibly.
  • santana... JCD aka... 2012/02/07 17:47:11
    santanasmooth
    Ya unfortunately they do, maybe they need a taste of their own medicine to see how wrong they are.
  • eminemfan 2011/12/24 15:18:19 (edited)
    It's shouldn't be
    eminemfan
    +1
    0_0 why would u ask that
  • santana... eminemfan 2011/12/24 20:18:22
    santanasmooth
    Because the bigots on this site are almost militant i wanted too see how far they would go
  • eminemfan santana... 2011/12/24 20:28:55
    eminemfan
    o ok
  • RainbowCloset 2011/12/23 04:21:44
    It's shouldn't be
    RainbowCloset
    Who would you press charges against for a person being gay? God??? I dont think so.
  • santana... Rainbow... 2011/12/23 09:09:45
    santanasmooth
    +1
    lol Since the theory is that He created all of us, he created Gay people too. I don't believe in him per-say but that would be pretty silly of him/her too do if they thought it was wrong.
  • lady_c5_loadmaster 2011/12/23 03:13:41
    This punishment
    lady_c5_loadmaster
    +1
    I may be mistaken but most states did have laws on the books against sodamy and fornication. They just have not been enforced for years and years. We are all sinners one way or another and we will receive our punishment from GOD.
  • GayEclipse 2011/12/22 23:03:37
    It's shouldn't be
    GayEclipse
    Punishment for living life like how you wish to live it? Nahh.
  • Broban 2011/12/22 20:17:37
    It's shouldn't be
    Broban
    I DON'T BELIEVE IN GAY RIGHTS

    I believe in people having the right to do what they want to.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Broban 2011/12/22 23:08:50
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    keep it legal thou

    Kids and etc
  • Chris- Demon of the PHAET 2011/12/22 20:05:33
    It's shouldn't be
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    Of course not. But if it was, they way many gays are treated in this country is punishment enough. A side note to Malachi; Are you serious? Quoting verse? As a believer you should know every verse you quote I can interpret differently or find one that contradicts yours and back and forth we go until we reach the end of the Bible. Have we accomplished anything? You will still be sure you know God's will and I will burn in hell forever. I will still believe you know nothing of what makes a true Christian and will have much to answer for when you stand before God. Perhaps you should let Him decide when the time comes and until then: Mathew 7 "Judge not, that ye be not judged." (King James version)
  • Malachi Chris- ... 2011/12/23 17:47:32
    Malachi
    chris, when someone is hell bent on doing wrong the truth or warnings, well they will always react with hostility or be rightdown vulgar.and true you can contadict every verse concerning sin that l quote with something off the wall,that DOES NOT mean YOU understand SCRIPTURE!
    We have not received the spirit of this world, but the spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us, this is what we speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, The man without the Spirit (God's Spirit ) does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, he cannot understand them,BECAUSE they ARE SPIRITUALLY DESCERNED..
    Now the Spiritual man makes judgements about all things,but he himself is not subject to any man's ( ungodly men ) judgement....(..I paraphrased.) Romans 2;12-14

    as for that scripture about judging others, let me explain it to you..here is an example,.
    lets say Mary lived in an appt where one of my neighbors who sold her body cheap out on the street, and Josie was a receptionist,got paid good but was messing around with her married boss, Josie didn't get money,but gifts,yes, now Josie looked down on her neighbor for what she did, while Mary was doing the same thing!! now which one is passing judgement?
  • Chris- ... Malachi 2011/12/24 00:09:21
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    Malachi, your first paragraph is absolutely right. But wasn't that what I was saying? Surely you've heard two completely different interpretations of the same verse. Which is right? Is it the one you agree with? Is it the one I agree with? Are the Baptist's correct? Or maybe the Methodist's are? Or the Catholics? I'm sure each feels as passionately as you do.
    As to your example: If I'm understanding you correctly Josie, a well paid receptionist, is sleeping with a married man who is giving her gifts, and she looks down on Mary, a street walker, who is poor. Is Josie wrong for passing judgement since she is doing the same thing as Mary? Is this what you're asking me? I suppose even I got your question incorrect my answer would be the same. It is not anyone's place to judge anyone else. What someone may believe is God's law is, in fact, their own interpretation of the Bible. Since neither woman is causing harm to anyone else, let God do the judging.
    One last thing Malachi: I have a question. You're obviously very passionate about you're religion and part of that religion is the belief that homosexuality is wrong. I get that part. What I don't understand is why many Christians get so angry and hateful about gay people? Even if you're right and we will go to hell why d...
    Malachi, your first paragraph is absolutely right. But wasn't that what I was saying? Surely you've heard two completely different interpretations of the same verse. Which is right? Is it the one you agree with? Is it the one I agree with? Are the Baptist's correct? Or maybe the Methodist's are? Or the Catholics? I'm sure each feels as passionately as you do.
    As to your example: If I'm understanding you correctly Josie, a well paid receptionist, is sleeping with a married man who is giving her gifts, and she looks down on Mary, a street walker, who is poor. Is Josie wrong for passing judgement since she is doing the same thing as Mary? Is this what you're asking me? I suppose even I got your question incorrect my answer would be the same. It is not anyone's place to judge anyone else. What someone may believe is God's law is, in fact, their own interpretation of the Bible. Since neither woman is causing harm to anyone else, let God do the judging.
    One last thing Malachi: I have a question. You're obviously very passionate about you're religion and part of that religion is the belief that homosexuality is wrong. I get that part. What I don't understand is why many Christians get so angry and hateful about gay people? Even if you're right and we will go to hell why do care? If you're trying to show us the light you're going about in an odd way.I also don't understand how my being gay affects your life in anyway. What you do in your home or your church is not by business, why is what I do yours?
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  • Malachi Chris- ... 2011/12/25 15:54:21
    Malachi
    Chris, what l think doesn't mean anything,but what God says,does. now you say this two character, l made up,how can you say that there behavior doesn't hurt anyone,? theirs johns are many times married men,this is a form of betrayal to the innocent spouses,how about the diseases that they may transmitt? now when a police office arrests a drunk is he being judgemental? or if you see someone stagger out of a bar,what is the first thing that comes to your mind" are you being judgemental for what you think?
    I'm not religious,I have a personal relationship with Yeshua. big difference.I don't get angry with homosexuals, l have compassion,now l do take issues when laws are forced on me that teach my child that that lifestyle is normal. but even that doesn't make me angry.and no l don't want you to go to hell,I show you the light by accepting you as you are,l can't change your heart anymore than l can change mine! only God can do that! we have what is called a free will...I have two friends that are lesbians and one homosexual, they can accept my views because l listened to their story and still love them.God bless... good samaritan
  • Chris- ... Malachi 2012/01/02 08:39:51
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    Hello Malachi. Sorry it took me so long to reply but the holidays were quite hectic. Hope yours went well. In any case, I think you may have misunderstood my point. (or I expressed it badly.) The original question was "Should being gay be illegal?" and you response was "Let's see what God has to say about it.." and then you quoted scripture calling gays perverse and sinful. I countered that anyone can interpret the Bible in a way that supports their own opinion and find verses that will back them up. When people used scripture to justify slavery or the subjugation of women they were convinced it was God's will. Most people today would say that is wrong, even though those verses are still in the Bible. How many wars have been fought and how many millions of people have died in the name of God? My point is the Bible is not inerrant and it is open to both good and bad interpretations. If it truly is the exact word of God why does it contain contradictions? If there are verses telling us the proper way to treat slaves is slavery God's will? I personally don't think "Homosexuality should be illegal because the Bible says it is wrong." can be used as an argument.
    As to your statement about laws forcing you to teach your child any life style is normal? All you have to teach ...
    Hello Malachi. Sorry it took me so long to reply but the holidays were quite hectic. Hope yours went well. In any case, I think you may have misunderstood my point. (or I expressed it badly.) The original question was "Should being gay be illegal?" and you response was "Let's see what God has to say about it.." and then you quoted scripture calling gays perverse and sinful. I countered that anyone can interpret the Bible in a way that supports their own opinion and find verses that will back them up. When people used scripture to justify slavery or the subjugation of women they were convinced it was God's will. Most people today would say that is wrong, even though those verses are still in the Bible. How many wars have been fought and how many millions of people have died in the name of God? My point is the Bible is not inerrant and it is open to both good and bad interpretations. If it truly is the exact word of God why does it contain contradictions? If there are verses telling us the proper way to treat slaves is slavery God's will? I personally don't think "Homosexuality should be illegal because the Bible says it is wrong." can be used as an argument.
    As to your statement about laws forcing you to teach your child any life style is normal? All you have to teach your child is the difference between civil and religious law. The reality is I don't agree with most of your life style but I would never teach a child of mine you don't have the right to live as you choose.
    One last thing Malachi; I would like to ask you a question, not to judge you but because I am truly interested in the answer. You said you had some gay friends you loved in spite of any differences you all may have. I have several friends who are quite religious and we also are very close. My question is; If you love these people and know them to be good and kind, do you still believe God will punish them for being gay? I'd very much like to hear your thoughts as I've often wondered about this.
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  • Malachi Chris- ... 2012/01/03 19:03:12 (edited)
    Malachi
    Hi Chris and Happy New Year to you too. l really can't answer the question, because l do believe in God,what l think doesn't matter, it's what He says,He has the final say.and what people preceive as millions dying in the name of God. it is actually good vs evil. The word of God says that the human heart is desperately wicked, that only he can understand it,out of it comes all kinds of evil, man wanting what doesn't belong to him, oppressing others,
    my children know that homosexuallity is wrong,BUT so is adultry,fornication, now these are sins that affect your body,it's not for me to judge,my children know this also.they don't either,
    Now you asked me about my friends,....as much as l love my friends, let me put it this way l have a son who is in big time rebellion againest God. he claims to serve satan, you don't think this grieves and hurts my heart? as much as it hurts unless he repents,he too is lost...just because l'm his mother and a believer,doesn't mean that God is going to wink and say,that it's okay.all l can do is pray for them and ask God to be merciful..
    again, when it comes to the things of God my opinion doesn't count. hell is going to be full of good people and in heaven will be many ex-drug addicts, prostitutes,gang members,thiefs, what made the difference?...
    Hi Chris and Happy New Year to you too. l really can't answer the question, because l do believe in God,what l think doesn't matter, it's what He says,He has the final say.and what people preceive as millions dying in the name of God. it is actually good vs evil. The word of God says that the human heart is desperately wicked, that only he can understand it,out of it comes all kinds of evil, man wanting what doesn't belong to him, oppressing others,
    my children know that homosexuallity is wrong,BUT so is adultry,fornication, now these are sins that affect your body,it's not for me to judge,my children know this also.they don't either,
    Now you asked me about my friends,....as much as l love my friends, let me put it this way l have a son who is in big time rebellion againest God. he claims to serve satan, you don't think this grieves and hurts my heart? as much as it hurts unless he repents,he too is lost...just because l'm his mother and a believer,doesn't mean that God is going to wink and say,that it's okay.all l can do is pray for them and ask God to be merciful..
    again, when it comes to the things of God my opinion doesn't count. hell is going to be full of good people and in heaven will be many ex-drug addicts, prostitutes,gang members,thiefs, what made the difference? repentance and accepting Yeshua HaMashiach as their Saviour and Lord of their lives'.l know that this isn't really what you were probably wanting to hear...as l said,my opinion doesn't count. Yeshua Is the difference between being lost or saved, l wish l could tell you what you might have wanted to hear.. now this is what I believe as l understand the word of God. what do you think?and no you didn't express yourself bady,
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  • Chris- ... Malachi 2012/01/03 23:33:50
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    You told me exactly what I wanted to hear. You answered my question honestly. You also explained very clearly something I could never understand. When I heard some one say they could love the sinner yet hate the sin that made no sense to me. But if one accepts the word of God as truth, then it's the law. No matter how much you may care for the person, sin is sin and you can't change that fact. I still don't think you're right, but at least now I know why you think the way you do.
    If I may give some unasked for advice? Children often rebel against their parents beliefs simply because they are their parents beliefs. I certainly did it to my parents. But they gave me some room and continued to let me know they loved me and eventually I grew up and left all the rebellion behind. Now, at 48 yrs old, it often shocks me how much like them I have become.
    Thanks for writing me back and Best Wishes!
  • Malachi 2011/12/22 18:47:22
    This punishment
    Malachi
    +1
    I don't agree with any of your choices of votes, what I think doesn't matter either, Let's see what God has to say about it...
    Romans 1;24-29...Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual immorality for the degrading of their bodies with one another.They exchanged the truth of God for a lie.and worshipped and served created things...rather than their Creator.....Because of this God gave them over to to shameful lust, even thier women exchanged natural relations for unatural ones,, In the same way men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another, Men committed indecent acts with other men,and received in themselves the penalty for thier perversion. which is death.
    Before you get your feelings hurt,adultry,fornication and every type of sexual sin is just as wrong, homosexuality is telling God he made a mistake.same sex cannot procreate,
  • GayEclipse Malachi 2011/12/22 23:05:58
    GayEclipse


    Oh you read a book, oh now your going to listen to what the book tells you. You have such great control of your life.
  • Malachi GayEclipse 2011/12/23 17:57:24
    Malachi
    Look Midnight, if you want to wallow in whatever sin your little heart desires, knock your self out, but if it's taking you the wrong road, ( and in your heart you actually know whats happening! ) don't try to drag others with you. misery loves company
  • GayEclipse Malachi 2011/12/23 18:02:34
    GayEclipse
    Being love with a humen of my desire is a "sin"? I'll gladly sin, I'm not trying to drag anyone - I don't know you people, why would I take you along with me? If I go to "hell" at least give us the right to marry and have children before we "burn in hell" in the after life. Wrong road? Hm, you do know love is love right? Reguardless of who it may be, look pass the gender & color, look into that persons soul and love that person.
  • Malachi GayEclipse 2011/12/23 18:16:22
    Malachi
    God Midnight!, my wish for you is not for you to go to hell,no hon, yess l know only too well about love. and with all my heart I pray that you find that special heart that will love you the way you desire......l really do! beautiful heart
  • GayEclipse Malachi 2011/12/23 18:21:34 (edited)
    GayEclipse
    +1
    I already have a lover, I may be young but age is a number I simply don't go by. We're engaged and very much in love, I wouldn't have it any other way. We've been together for 2 years.  33
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Malachi 2011/12/22 23:10:03
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    so the bible says shrimp is a sin and so is Tattoos cutting your beard getting a haircut santiation and 1000s of other things are against God

    bible knowledge meme
  • Malachi ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2011/12/23 18:03:26
    Malachi
    Hello Daw, I believe we already went thur all this, how you came to your beliefs, and L beleive that you already signed and sealed your destiny,as I have mine. so as for you and me we would only be wasting each other's time, you think? ( ;
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Malachi 2011/12/23 18:14:32
  • Malachi ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2011/12/23 18:21:12
    Malachi
    Thank you DAW! But guess what? this is one believer that doesn't celebrate Christmas anymore! l know the truth bout this holiday! but l appreciate this beautiful thought!
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Malachi 2011/12/23 18:23:04
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    well then have a Great weekend with family and friends then
  • Malachi ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2011/12/23 18:36:45 (edited)
    Malachi
    You too! ( ; child s smile
  • santana... Malachi 2011/12/23 03:10:35
    santanasmooth
    Thankfully your God does not exist
  • Malachi santana... 2011/12/23 18:06:01 (edited)
    Malachi
    wink
    We'll find out soon in you lifetime!!
  • santana... Malachi 2011/12/24 11:51:49
    santanasmooth
    i think you meant your life time and they have been saying that forever. if you guys want to leave the world so bad, Jump on the next rock and leave the rest of humanity in peace =)
  • Malachi santana... 2011/12/25 15:57:10
  • Thank you but no... 2011/12/22 18:30:33
    It's shouldn't be
    Thank you but no...
    You might as well make having blue eyes illegal. You can't be what you aren't.
  • gregory.ditzler 2011/12/22 17:41:12 (edited)
    It's shouldn't be
    gregory.ditzler
    +1
    How about punishments for being christians? it's the same thing generalizing people.
  • santana... gregory... 2011/12/22 17:43:49
    santanasmooth
    +1
    Yes so everyone should live and let live
  • Feria~THEZombieSlayingB!tch... 2011/12/22 17:32:31
  • santana... Feria~T... 2011/12/22 17:33:42 (edited)
    santanasmooth
    Agreed that hate spilled on this site makes me wonder what people would do if it was legal to do something.
  • santanasmooth 2011/12/22 17:17:11
    It's shouldn't be
    santanasmooth
    i was just wondering how far those on this site would take their hate. They say in Muslim countries they would hang gays. I believe this is true, but how far would North Americans go if it was illegal here.

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