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Several months ago, Denmark became the first country in the world to adopt a "fat tax." The tax increased the price of certain fatty foods based on the fat content, kind of like the excise taxes on alcohol and tobacco that are already in place. Don't worry, there's currently no legislation in America threatening to tax fatty foods, but researchers are making a case for it in terms of fighting obesity.

Dr. Eric Wright, head of Indiana University School of Medicine's Department of Public Health, told RTV6, "We've applied tax to alcohol and tobacco and that has definitely shown through very many studies that it actually decreased use. So, the logic has been applied to fatty foods and preliminary evidence in Europe is that it’s very effective." The study suggests a 20 percent tax on cheeseburgers, but doesn't give any other examples. It expects to cut obesity rates by 3.5 and prevent 2,700 deaths. Do you think America should adopt a "fat tax"?

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  • john doe Marimint 2012/05/21 22:18:15
    john doe
    Your insane.
  • Grammar... Marimint 2012/05/22 00:31:22
    Grammar Freak
    +2
    That's absolutely right.
    Corporate & farm subsidies are forms of welfare.
    The majority of farms are now corporate, so I believe they even get double whammies.
    (I do like the parking lot scheme too.)

    Ron Paul 2012.
  • Kozmo Grammar... 2012/05/22 03:54:17
    Kozmo
    Paradoxical, Society looks down on Welfare for People yet Corporate Welfare (likely more costly) is taken for granted. Many (often well off) people seem to think it's "Natural" for money to concentrate into a few (social programs are meant to moderate this trend) and show be allowed. That's classic Physics, not Biology which (often) appears to opposite way. Monpolies are never really achieved (& usually short-lived) in Natures so why not follow that model. Biophysics disperses (i.e. Shares) energy rather than amassing it).
  • Grammar... Kozmo 2012/05/23 20:57:18
    Grammar Freak
    Yes, if we are going to cut so-called "entitlement programs," then I think we should cut them all... including corporate welfare. Infrastructure is federal government's business. We could improve ours drastically with the money our government would save by cutting the whole shebang.
  • Kozmo Grammar... 2012/06/03 21:24:29
    Kozmo
    +1
    I think it would be better to allow a 'transition period' to allow folks to adapt & (hopefully) realize how prodigious the status quo was. Doing it abruptly would only generate resentment, suffering & provoke MORE resistance.
  • Grammar... Kozmo 2012/06/04 08:15:32
    Grammar Freak
    A "transition period" for the wealthy to wean themselves off the government teat?
    Is that the way they would do to the poor? Nope.
    I say jerk that nipple right outa their greedy gobs & let them figure it out. No welfare means no welfare. They want to drug test the poor to give them welfare, but they won't be drug tested themselves. They want to get the poor off the dole but don't want to get off themselves. They're greedy, selfish, hypocritical, heartless bastards who want to take the cash from the middle class & shove it into their own pockets. They don't want to share. That's the only reason they want the poor off the dole so bad.

    Funny, I've met so many wealthy people from all over the world & it's really quite rare that I meet one who is as selfish, heartless & greedy as American wealthy people. Rare indeed.

    I think that the way to get things moving in the right direction is for The People to figure out that we're being duped by both "parties" & take our freaking government back from the plutocrats who are undermining our liberties by removing them bipartisanly.
    We HAVE to get our government back.
    Everyone is so focused on the POTUS, but they don't remember that he's one part of a three part system & one of the other parts is screwing us just as hard... maybe harder than th...&

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    A "transition period" for the wealthy to wean themselves off the government teat?
    Is that the way they would do to the poor? Nope.
    I say jerk that nipple right outa their greedy gobs & let them figure it out. No welfare means no welfare. They want to drug test the poor to give them welfare, but they won't be drug tested themselves. They want to get the poor off the dole but don't want to get off themselves. They're greedy, selfish, hypocritical, heartless bastards who want to take the cash from the middle class & shove it into their own pockets. They don't want to share. That's the only reason they want the poor off the dole so bad.

    Funny, I've met so many wealthy people from all over the world & it's really quite rare that I meet one who is as selfish, heartless & greedy as American wealthy people. Rare indeed.

    I think that the way to get things moving in the right direction is for The People to figure out that we're being duped by both "parties" & take our freaking government back from the plutocrats who are undermining our liberties by removing them bipartisanly.
    We HAVE to get our government back.
    Everyone is so focused on the POTUS, but they don't remember that he's one part of a three part system & one of the other parts is screwing us just as hard... maybe harder than the POTUS, because they ALLOW him to do what he wants. We have NO representation in government anymore... none. Our Republic is now a Plutocracy & it's going to be a hell of a fight to get it back.

    Our hope is all but lost without Ron Paul. He was our strongest & best hope & the RNC just propagandized their blind sheeple with slander & innuendo.
    Blast the two "parties!" Damn & blast them all to hell! They're succeeding in destroying our nation.
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  • Kozmo Grammar... 2012/06/04 17:11:25 (edited)
    Kozmo
    We can't repeat the French Revolution & guillotine the Ari$to¢racy, we'd wind up like Lybia with Tribal Warfare & Anarchy.

    You need to disencumber (or convince, if possible) the Corrupt Plutocrats & transfer the reins to more decent ones (Bill Gates [reformed] & Andrew Carnagie e.g.) they have Organizational skills the proles lack.

    Note: Two Party Systems tend to polarize into (trigger happy) entranched camps while Multi-Party ones tend to cluster around the middle (sober heads prevail). I like Minority Régimes, less prone to knee-jerk & dislodge teeth.
  • Grammar... Kozmo 2012/06/04 20:33:55
    Grammar Freak
    +1
    Right.
    But The People still have to agree that the powers that are, are not working for them & agree that a new government is needed or The People will no longer have any liberties whatsoever. What is the difference between having a job that does not cover your living expenses & having to do little other than work while the mega-wealthy profit from your efforts, & living in an otherwise indentured society? But The People have to be able to see it for themselves & understand what's happening around them. Education sets you free.

    There is no convincing plutocrats to give up power. I don't believe it will happen... not in any good time & I think that all will be lost by then so what would cause them to?
    Americans need to see what they're allowing to happen in their federal government before they lose all of the liberties that allow them to fight such take-overs of government.
  • Kozmo Grammar... 2012/06/05 07:04:10 (edited)
    Kozmo
    "Forgive them Custodian, for they know not what they do"

    DILBERT·opia & SEINFELD·sensible is the RULE today

    Most people can relate to examples of when customer service organisations have driven you completely bonkers: being passed on to another department that does not answer your call and drops you into a black hole; getting through to an overseas call centre that has not a
    clue how to address your problem; orders placed and fulfilled incorrectly the list is endless.
    But given that the customer relationship is such a fundamental component of the success of any business, why do companies behave in such a maddening way?
    We believe the answer may lie in some interesting new research which describes a model that can help us both diagnose the roots of certain common mental health problems  as well as understand some of the wider dysfunctions within organisations.

    Context blindness

    Recent psychological research in the UK has come up with a new model for us to understand better what is going on with people suffering from a range of mental health conditions, such as
    Asbergers syndrome, autism and schizophrenia.
    In summary, these symptoms are best expressed by the inability of people to switch easily between several foci of attention and to track them against the history ...
































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    "Forgive them Custodian, for they know not what they do"

    DILBERT·opia & SEINFELD·sensible is the RULE today

    Most people can relate to examples of when customer service organisations have driven you completely bonkers: being passed on to another department that does not answer your call and drops you into a black hole; getting through to an overseas call centre that has not a
    clue how to address your problem; orders placed and fulfilled incorrectly the list is endless.
    But given that the customer relationship is such a fundamental component of the success of any business, why do companies behave in such a maddening way?
    We believe the answer may lie in some interesting new research which describes a model that can help us both diagnose the roots of certain common mental health problems  as well as understand some of the wider dysfunctions within organisations.

    Context blindness

    Recent psychological research in the UK has come up with a new model for us to understand better what is going on with people suffering from a range of mental health conditions, such as
    Asbergers syndrome, autism and schizophrenia.
    In summary, these symptoms are best expressed by the inability of people to switch easily between several foci of attention and to track them against the history and context that relates to them.
    This new line of research has been called caetextia by the researchers from the two Latin words caecus (meaning blind) and contextus (meaning context). Further details can be found at http://www.caetextia.com.
    Our thesis is that organisations, or parts of organisations, can also demonstrate the symptoms of caetextia or context blindness. Organisational caetextia (or OC as we will now call it) can help us understand why some organisations exhibit a sort of madness when dealing with their customers and employees and also provides a clue as to why they remain blind to the significant consequences of acting in such a crazy way.
    In cases of caetextia in individuals, the new research has uncovered two types of context blindness. This relates to the part of the brain that allows us to process context.
    In order to see context, we need to be able to observe events from different points of view. Recent research has shown that all mammals have a part of the brain that can process masses of information at the same time similar to the new ways that we configure parallel processing in computers.
    This part of the brain developed millions of years ago to gauge risks by processing multiple streams of information and unconsciously comparing them to previous experiences. This is something we take for granted today, but millions of years ago it was the key to any mammals survival and ability to conserve energy by not reacting to every stimulus that came along.
    The research has concluded that this parallel processing part of the brain can become impaired and this is particularly prevalent in people who demonstrate symptoms on the autistic spectrum. In such cases, the brain cannot do the parallel processing necessary to keep separate streams of attention, switching ffortlessly between each of them to assess their relevance to what is actually happening in the hereand-now.
    This form of parallel processing requires the brain to dissociate in other words, to be able to review what it knows about something that it has come across before, whilst also paying attention to that something in the present. It is no wonder that such people often suffer from learning diffculties!

    Organisational caetextia

    The research has also uncovered two types of caetextia: front-of-brain or straight-line thinking blindness; and back-of-brain, random association blindness. We can and have applied these two types of caetextia to organisations and describe some of the symptoms below.
    The first type we have termed Process OC. This is where an organisation processes work in logical straight lines without taking into account the wider organisational implications of doing so.
    This type of OC is fixated in the front of the brain. Examples might be a call centre agent who does not know which person or department to hand-off someone to and simply puts them into a telephone black hole. Another example might be an agent who says, I am really sorry that this has happened to you, I will get someone to ring you back and they never do.
    Organisational caetextia of the process type tends to happen lower-down organisations (for instance someone in the back office saying, That’s not my job, I only process this type of transaction). Front-line workers will often be encouraged to adopt this type of thinking with phrases such as, You are not paid to think. Just do what I say.
    This dysfunction is exacerbated by outsourcing arrangements where the supplier organisation fulfillls its minimum service level obligations and is very much driven by the mantra, If it is not in the contract, then I can do it, but it will cost you more.
    The second type Informational OC tends to be found higher-up in organisations. This type of OC is based in the back of the brain.
    The symptoms of this type of organisational madness are driven by managers and leaders defining a whole load of information they need to run the business that is of very little value, other than to those managers holding their jobs down.
    Often the amount of information needed expands without any understanding of the cost associated with gathering it. The information is then dressed up as targets to motivate those lower down the organisation to stretch themselves to meet those targets and get a bonus. Vast parts of the organisation chase numbers that have no bearing on the reality of what is actually happening to customers on a day-to-day basis.
    In times of stress, this information will often be used to create random associations between the data sets, coming to rapid conclusions to reinforce otherwise illogical assumptions and then finding it rather difficult to justify their decisions after the event. The whole saga of justifying Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq is a good example of this.
    Organisations also use such pools of information to get rid of people lower down in the organisation who are not conforming even if the data bears no resemblance to reality and the people are doing valuable work with customers.

    Reality check

    Until now, organisations who offer services to their customers have managed to get away with dysfunctional behaviour with very little accountability or public transparency. Managers have moved on before suffering the consequences of their decisions.
    Organisations themselves have restructured, merged and implemented new technology which has clouded their own perceptions of reality.

    Could our society be contributing to the rise in autism rates?

    According to recent news reports, the number of school children classified as being autistic has risen by 56% in the last 5 years.

    This is an enormous number, and controversy is raging over whether the rise is due to parents pushing for a diagnosis to gain extra resources for a child showing only mild traits or if there is an environmental cause for such a dramatic rise.

    "Another factor favouring autistic behaviour in today's workplace is the growth of overly prescribed working practices that remove personal responsibility from people in public services. The management style in HM Revenue & Customs, and agencies focused on education, health, policing and law, suit those who are context blind. (For a person with caetextia, 'responsibility' is just a buzzword - without multiple processing abilities, their attempts to be responsible often lack common sense, which after all is just another way of saying, 'seeing the bigger context'.)
    Alongside the growth of working conditions that favour people with left-brained caetextia, the media may be encouraging right-brained caetextia by randomly generating fantasies and continually stimulating imagination in ways that make it harder for people to stay in touch with reality. Vast numbers now pay a disproportionate amount of attention to emotionalism in music, television, 'reality' shows, computer games and on-screen interaction with one another in ways the inhibit the development of apathy skills and the ability to read multiple contexts. Characters in soap operas become real for them, artificially constructed celebrities infiltrate their mental landscape, and online 'relationships' divorced from empathic face-to-face communication, mimic psychotic symptoms to become delusional substitutes for genuine friendships (which involve mutual understanding and getting innate needs met.)
    Although both types of caetextia occur in society, there is no widespread understanding of what is required for people to hold the middle ground: the flexibility of thought that arises from having equal access to imagination and reason. If we continue to create the conditions that favour both left-brained and right-brained caetextia, either by means of the media saturating the population with emotionalism, or by subjecting people to overly systematised, computer-controlled and rightly prescribed working environments, without valuing the middle position, the end result might be that the window of opportunity for us to evolve further will slam shut."

    Plenty of other Planets Out There, it's a BIG Universe. We FAILED?
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  • Grammar... Kozmo 2012/06/05 14:06:59
    Grammar Freak
    +1
    It seems that the number of people no longer identifying with either "party" is rising. These folks are predominantly identifying themselves as Independents. Yeaaaa!!! That's a good sign. This indicates that the general public is dissatisfied with the "parties" & with the products they've been putting out (candidates, platforms, etc.).
    This is a very positive sign. It tells us that we have hope for real, authentic change. I believe that Ron Paul has made a huge impact on our thinking about government & its activities. I hope so.

    Speaking of customer service, it would behoove the general population that there is actually a route of action one can take when dissatisfied with one's government: fire the bastards.
  • Marimint Grammar... 2012/07/17 13:35:53
    Marimint
    Very wrong.! You've swallowed a chunk of right-wing brain meme programming you to thinks "stupid" is "smart". Broaden your information intake immediately..!!
  • Grammar... Marimint 2012/07/17 14:38:51
    Grammar Freak
    Uhhh... what the hell are you attempting to say?
    From the look of your post, you don't have a clue what the difference is between "stupid" & "smart," so it might be a good idea for you to sit down & be quiet while the adults have a conversation.
  • Kozmo Marimint 2012/05/22 03:40:24
    Kozmo
    +1
    How about limiting car use period?. Had a roomate who'd always drives his pickup four blocks to get across the street where the gas station is to get cigarettes (I'd just walk across, quit tobacco since BTW). It's INACTIVITY that kills you. The plethora (& reliance) of "conveniences" modern society has provided made us complacent & consequently unhealthy. We've unwittingly became (psychologically) dependent on cars to prop up our Egos rather than actual necessity. Coupled with distracting cell phones it explains much of the carnage you see in urban traffic.

    Similarly, I knew somebody who boasts that he "kills himself" 4 times a week at the Gym but spends his entire home time sitting in a chair reading the paper, watching TV or his investments online. I quit the Gym years ago but routiinely walk a Marathon or two weekly almost year-round (live in a moderate climate) despite having a bus pass. if I'm in no hurry and the weather's not severe I readily walk a half hour or more & I have a real social life, unlike him (MISERable).

    About the parking spots you mentioned in your last line. Why do people routinely get in fisticuffs fighting over the closest parking spot to Fitness World & use the elevator to go up one floor?
  • Grammar... Kozmo 2012/05/23 20:55:19
    Grammar Freak
    +1
    I tell people that it's a waste of petro-fuels to use the elevator to go one or two floors.
  • Caedus01 Sith Lord of the P... 2012/05/21 22:12:42
    No
    Caedus01 Sith Lord of the PHAET
    i thought marijuana was illegal? Who thinks of this stuff?
  • Melizmatic 2012/05/21 22:08:36
    No
    Melizmatic
    +2
    Sure.

    Let's tax everything that we dont like or agree with and all our problems will magically just go away.

    That's the ticket...
  • 'Zedd Melizmatic 2012/05/22 00:33:54
  • Kozmo 'Zedd 2012/05/22 04:01:36
    Kozmo
    The guy above you has blocked receiving replies, so (if you don't mind please) I use you as a proxy.

    Try to get the ENTIRE Electorate to reach a consensus (isn't that Demcracy?) on what's good or not, best that can be realisticallty achieved is a compromise. As Honest Abe (1st Republican) said: You can fool part of the people some of the time but you can't fool ALL…
  • 'Zedd Kozmo 2012/05/22 04:15:16
  • jeepsrule98 2012/05/21 22:05:21
    Yes
    jeepsrule98
    +1
    I think a maybe would be a better answer. But we should tax company's for serving food that is kill Americans by eating to much of it. Everyone is responsible for themselves, but company's hire scientist to find or invent flavors that effect our brains when we eat it. We like the taste of something enough that we eat it even when we are full, we crave the flavor. If you think we are not influenced by the food in this country then try a looking up a USA Today article that lays out the facts. In 1993 9% of the country was obese in 2008 36% and by 2030 it will be 42%. We spend $150-$190B a year on obesity in this country. I say we because it effects all of use whether you're obese or not. It does this by increasing our insurance premiums. It is also a hidden tax that costs every family $1300 to $1700 annually, because of insurance premiums and government subsides to pay for people without insurance. There are a number of physical problems related to obesity; heart disease, diabetes, stroke, joint damage to list a few. Fat has become an epidemic in this country and it will hurt us all in the long run.
  • DebraJMSmith 2012/05/21 21:59:53
    No
    DebraJMSmith
    +3
    I believe there is a special place in hell for unsaved government people that keep imposing unfair taxation on the people.
  • JERSEYDUDE 2012/05/21 21:50:54
    No
    JERSEYDUDE
    +4
    maybe we should tax the FDA for not doing their jobs
  • Kozmo JERSEYDUDE 2012/05/22 04:05:09
    Kozmo
    Getting them out of the pocket of Corporate Greed and having (genuine) Public Safety as their Mandate (isn't that why they were founded?) be a better idea?
  • TuringsChild 2012/05/21 21:43:22
    No
    TuringsChild
    +3
    Not until we again have access to good, inexpensive, NUTRITIOUS foods like those our forefathers had. We are fat today because our bodies crave NUTRIENTS no longer present in sufficient quantities in modern foods. My weight remains unchanged whether I eat fast foods or not.
  • Kozmo Turings... 2012/05/22 04:12:32
    Kozmo
    You're able to maintain yourself, good for you, but do you like your tax dollars &/or medical premiums being pissed away on those who don't?
  • Turings... Kozmo 2012/05/22 05:13:29
    TuringsChild
    +1
    That'd be a 'no' on both counts. I can't drop weight no matter WHAT I do. And I think the biggest problem with the medical industry at this time is govt interference, encouraging waste, fraud, and abuse. Our medical services were the best in the world when govt butted out. Obamacare will destroy that infrastructure completely within 5-10 years unless something changes. We're ALREADY losing medical student applications. And the fun is only beginning.
  • Hula girl - Friends not Fol... 2012/05/21 21:39:43
    No
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +4
    So the Government supports food with GMO's which help make us fat and then taxes those that get fat. Wow...hows that for bringing in the revenue.
  • Kozmo Hula gi... 2012/05/22 04:09:45
    Kozmo
    I agree with your comment but I answered the other way, have you missed something?

    THEY're practicing "Fatten, Slash & Burn" Money Cultivation on us.
  • Gates 2012/05/21 21:39:37
    No
    Gates
    +1
    Of course not
  • tcallahan3 2012/05/21 21:39:09
    No
    tcallahan3
    +3
    Only if they adopt a stupid tax first,
  • Ron 2012/05/21 21:34:00
    Yes
    Ron
    Only if we can also tax Liberals extra for all their dumb ass programs that grow and grow and grow every year and don't accomplish a thing.
  • les_gvt 2012/05/21 21:26:27 (edited)
    Yes
    les_gvt
    6%, NO deductions, regardless of income level

    thought it said FLAT tax, my bad
  • john doe les_gvt 2012/05/21 22:20:49
    john doe
    Less government but wants fat tax......I hope your joking.
  • les_gvt john doe 2012/05/21 23:17:27
    les_gvt
    see my edit did not go through- thought it said FLAT tax at first- admit I did not read the article
  • BigFig#9 2012/05/21 21:20:37
    Yes
    BigFig#9
    And target that money directly at health care.... Obesity related health care costs (Diabetes, Heart, Cancers, Diabetes, Joint replacement, etc.... are a primary driver of costs. Obese population costs approximately 3X per patient more than healthy weight populations.
  • Mog of War 2012/05/21 21:19:33
    No
    Mog of War
    Denmark has to IMPORT most of their fatty foods, so a fat tax makes sense from a protectionist standpoint, as it effectively allows them to resume some tariffs they had to drop back when they joined the EU. I would be against the U.S. Implementing such a thing because I do not have any faith in the Federal Government's ability to properly make use of the funds to any effective purpose. Denmark, on the other hand, is politically the equivalent of a State within the EU; furthermore, the chief executive there is a hereditary monarch with some actual power over his country who does not have the luxury of passing his problems and blame thereof onto his successor, or blaming it on his predecessor. In short, Denmark can handle Denmark just fine, but the U.S. does not need to do something just because it works in Denmark. Afterall, their King can abolish the tax if it doesn't work, but in the United States, both sides of the fence could agree that something doesn't work, and everyone can still be powerless to change it.
  • Robert Johnson 2012/05/21 21:19:15
    Yes
    Robert Johnson
    +1
    yes america is way too fat what sickens me is that food stamps buy junk food
  • Bannor ... Robert ... 2012/05/21 21:37:30
    Bannor Haruchai
    +2
    What should sicken you even more is that junk food is subsidized; healthy food is not. Poor families with kids have tough choices to make with their food stamps.
  • john doe Robert ... 2012/05/21 22:22:25
    john doe
    +1
    Profiting from fatness is no way to cure it.
  • Topsearch2b 2012/05/21 21:09:09
    No
    Topsearch2b
    +3
    Soon governments will be taxing the very air we breathe !!! This is ridiculous !!! Some of my friends still smoke at near $6.00 A PACK; why would anyone think a tax would keep people from eating fatty foods ?????

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