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Should abortion be legal in cases of rape?

Dave The Canuck 2012/08/19 23:16:40
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  • Lynn Gilmore 2012/08/20 02:22:21
    Yes
    Lynn Gilmore
    +4
    Abortion should be legal period, regardless of rape or not. Women should have the right to choose. This ain't 1950, America.

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  • XRenX 2012/08/19 23:46:43 (edited)
    Undecided
    XRenX
    +1
    I believe that the Plan B pill would be a better option. After the incident occurs, she should take it immediately, just in case. Less emotional baggage than an abortion, less hassle, less pain, etc. I also believe that, like birth control, the Plan B pill should also be free of charge because of ugly cases such as these.
  • zlazyks 2012/08/19 23:45:30
    Yes
    zlazyks
    +3
    It should be legal for more than just rape....
  • Gunner 2012/08/19 23:45:22 (edited)
    Yes
    Gunner
    +1
    She has the right to do that... But before a certain time
  • Willski 2012/08/19 23:44:37
    Yes
    Willski
    +4
    It should be legal in all cases of pregnancy.
  • ♥☯ ʂıoвнaп ☮♥ 2012/08/19 23:32:34
    Yes
    ♥☯ ʂıoвнaп ☮♥
    +4
    Personally, I believe abortion should be legal in all cases. While I don't really agree with abortion in certain cases, I believe it should be the woman's choice.
  • Razoreye001 2012/08/19 23:25:08
    Yes
    Razoreye001
    +3
    There should be absolutely no restrictions on abortion. If you want to abort your child a day before your due date I am ok with it. The only part that's iffy for me is in the case of post natal abortion. I would have to do more research and consult my collection of philosophy books before I make any strong stand on post natal abortion.
  • Dave Th... Razorey... 2012/08/19 23:59:20
    Dave The Canuck
    +2
    Post natal abortion is called infanticide.
  • Razorey... Dave Th... 2012/08/20 00:26:06
    Razoreye001
    Like I said I haven't read that much into it to say for sure. Here's a link to a lobby group in case you don't know what I am talking about.
    http://pnac.tk/
  • Tastentier Razorey... 2012/08/20 00:29:14 (edited)
    Tastentier
    +2
    One day before the mother's due date, doctors call it "inducing labor" instead of "aborting". And at that point, I don't think even the most ardent pro-choicer would deny that we're dealing with a human being and not just a bunch of cells that the expecting mother can do with as she pleases.
  • Razorey... Tastentier 2012/08/20 00:58:18
    Razoreye001
    still it would be her choice, put even small regulations on abortion and you open the door for more regulation. Granted that is very late all things considered and you could prevent new regulations that are draconian by putting in checks and balances but it should ultimately be the women's choice in the matter and we shouldn't complicate the issue.
  • Tastentier Razorey... 2012/08/20 01:47:22 (edited)
    Tastentier
    +2
    Even if abortion is completely unregulated, you won't find a doctor who is willing to kill a nearly 9-month-old unborn child. An abortion is pretty much impossible at that point. One would have to induce an ordinary live birth or deliver the baby via c-section to get it out of the womb. And then what? Put a bullet in the screaming newborn's tiny head?

    The same goes for an 8-month-old or a 7-month-old baby. Even at 6 months, a premature baby has a decent chance of survival in an incubator with the help of tracheal intubation. No medical professional who takes the hippocratic oath serious and isn't a complete sociopath would perform a partial birth abortion this late into a pregnancy. It is their job and their calling to save lives, after all.

    And yes, doctors -- medical scientists -- refer to a fetus as a baby once it is outside the womb, even if it's a mere 6 months old. People can no longer view a baby as less than human when they see a tiny person struggling to survive in an incubator. The little premie doesn't need another 3 months to mature into a human being, it already is one.

    It's interesting (and disturbing) that people usually only use the term fetus for a several months old baby in a pro-abortion argument, and of course when they consider an abortion for themselves. Th...

    Even if abortion is completely unregulated, you won't find a doctor who is willing to kill a nearly 9-month-old unborn child. An abortion is pretty much impossible at that point. One would have to induce an ordinary live birth or deliver the baby via c-section to get it out of the womb. And then what? Put a bullet in the screaming newborn's tiny head?

    The same goes for an 8-month-old or a 7-month-old baby. Even at 6 months, a premature baby has a decent chance of survival in an incubator with the help of tracheal intubation. No medical professional who takes the hippocratic oath serious and isn't a complete sociopath would perform a partial birth abortion this late into a pregnancy. It is their job and their calling to save lives, after all.

    And yes, doctors -- medical scientists -- refer to a fetus as a baby once it is outside the womb, even if it's a mere 6 months old. People can no longer view a baby as less than human when they see a tiny person struggling to survive in an incubator. The little premie doesn't need another 3 months to mature into a human being, it already is one.

    It's interesting (and disturbing) that people usually only use the term fetus for a several months old baby in a pro-abortion argument, and of course when they consider an abortion for themselves. The first step in every war is to dehumanize the enemy, because that makes it easier to kill him. An expecting mother who looks forward to holding her child in her arms knows full well that she doesn't carry a lump of cells or a parasite inside her body.

    A happy expecting mother will say that she's with child or that she's carrying a baby, because that's exactly what it is after a certain point. In my opinion, this point is 3 weeks after conception, when embryonic neurogenesis sets in (i.e., when the brain and the rest of the nervous system begin to form). Something with a developing brain and human DNA can only be considered a human being, imho. And in case of a late-term fetus, there is simply no denying that we're dealing with a child that deserves a chance at life.
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  • Drebi Razorey... 2012/08/20 06:58:49
    Drebi
    I'm pro-choice up to 24 weeks (6 months) because up to that point the thalamus (part of the brain that sends/receives pain signals) is not formed and the chance of survival outside the womb is very slim. After that point, the unborn offspring is, imo, a baby not a fetus and abortion becomes murder. (There's no excuse for the mother to not make her choice earlier, 99% of women know well before that mark that they are pregnant.) An unborn baby that is one day early has a 99.9% chance of natural survival (without the support of machines). I don't know anyone, aside from a sociopath, that would willingly murder a baby and be completely okay with it.
  • Headhun... Razorey... 2012/08/21 19:40:37
    Headhunter 13
    +1
    There is no such thing as post natal abortion. Post natal means after the birth. That would be murder and technically called infanticide
  • Dave The Canuck 2012/08/19 23:24:48
    Undecided
    Dave The Canuck
    I'm against the killing of an innocent, unborn fetus. But, then again, would that child WANT to live if its father is a rapist?
  • XRenX Dave Th... 2012/08/19 23:59:39 (edited)
    XRenX
    +2
    All a matter of the ever so complex situations of medical ethics. As for your question, we'd never know, that is, if we make that choice for the child (of course since it cannot do so on its own) and eliminate it from existence. Since we must make the choice, we must ask ourselves, "Is it the right irreversible choice?" What if we terminate it and it would've wanted to live, or we let it live and it didn't wish to, at least in that second case it could make it's own choice (obviously later in life) whether it wants to continue living or not (not that I am condoning suicide).

    Sticky situations in medical ethics often consists of making decisions for those who cannot make them for themselves , ie what you mentioned, and vegetative states, etc. Also, I wonder if it is necessarily crucial to tell the child about the rape. If curiosity of the lack of a father is aroused, then the mother could say he is absent, he left and it is not an important matter to discuss, etc. I am sure many would still disagree.
  • edifyguy XRenX 2012/08/20 01:28:02
    edifyguy
    +1
    I think you're reading too much into it. You should never kill someone who has done nothing wrong. Period. The child has done nothing wrong. The rapist, on the other hand, could be killed. Boy would the dealth penalty for rape deter rape!
  • XRenX edifyguy 2012/08/21 01:53:11 (edited)
    XRenX
    +1
    That is what I feel and know is right, but for some reason I feel sick at the thought of a woman having to keep a baby that she doesn't want, that is a reminder or the incident and evidence to everyone else. Either way someone will lose out, either the baby will be killed or the mother will have to keep the reminder. What you said has come into my mind, "why punish the child"? "Her body her choice"....technically it is a separate body with its own DNA, (aside from it's dependent attachment to the mother).

    Unfortunately, I am torn to be honest with myself and everyone else. With that said, I hate abortion and know it is wrong. There are still prevention methods like Rape Ax and the Plan B pill and even then, there is only a 5% chance of a woman getting pregnant after a rape incident, so with those in mind, perhaps abortion in this case doesn't have to be made legal.

    Also, she could put up with it for a few months and give it to another good home is she wishes.
  • edifyguy XRenX 2012/08/21 22:39:16
    edifyguy
    +1
    Yes, I do understand. However, killing a child is never right, no matter how much pain would be theoretically avoided by doing so. It would be swapping one pain for another: you would swap living with a human reminder of a horrible trauma for living with the guilt of having murdered a child, and your own offspring no less. Many women who have had abortions live with tremendous guilt, even decades later, and they often cry for the baby they killed. A member of my extended family aborted a baby, and to this day she is not quite right.



    In the case of incest, the same principles would apply.
  • XRenX edifyguy 2012/08/21 23:03:15
    XRenX
    Good points. Great points actually.
  • XRenX edifyguy 2012/08/21 02:07:07
    XRenX
    Oh and what about incestuous rape?
  • Rusty Shackleford 2012/08/19 23:21:58
    Undecided
    Rusty Shackleford
    +1
    It should be a state issue as the Constitution does not empower the federal government to regulate that aspect of our lives.
  • edifyguy Rusty S... 2012/08/20 01:30:03
    edifyguy
    Yes it does. It is the inalienable right of life. The fact that this is even a question says a lot about where we have fallen as a society.
  • BurntMuffin 2012/08/19 23:19:26
    Yes
    BurntMuffin
    Abortion should be legal for all cases.
    Because if it was illegal....what should be the punishment for the women?

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