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Should a law be considered valid if it is different than advertised?

kir 2012/06/28 16:24:49
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Obama promised no new taxes for the middle class; the penalty in the
individual mandate was argued to not be a tax and therefore it did not
break Obama's promise and yet when it was argued in front of the supreme
court, the ruling came down to the penalty indeed being a tax.

When we purchase a product, we can return it if it is different than advertised and that advertising was not in good faith; maybe the same should apply to bills.

If
the government when pushing a law advertises the measure as one thing
and then it turns out to be something different, should we have the
ability to automatically deem it a violation?

To clarify, the options are
Yes, we should be able to make it invalid
No, we should not be able to make it invalid

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  • flaca BN-0 2012/06/28 17:09:10
    Yes
    flaca BN-0
    +3
    the tax doesn't affect most people. The only people who will pay it are the spongers who expect other people to pay for their healthcare.

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  • Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum 2012/06/28 19:08:52
    No
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    I meant to say "yes". The legislature's responsibility is to read the content of the bill being voted on.
  • kir Warren ... 2012/06/28 19:12:14
    kir
    I'm not talking about the legislature; I am discussing the issue of how it was sold to the public.
  • Warren ... kir 2012/06/28 19:22:09
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    It doesn't matter how it was sold to the public, politicians are liars anyway. The text of a bill is the responsibility of the legislature. If a member of the general public does not approve, then it is his responsibility to express his disapproval in the next election, and/or contact his representative.
  • No nonsense NanC...don't BS... 2012/06/28 17:48:37
    No
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    No, but you can express your displeasure in the voting booth.
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/06/28 17:30:39
    Yes
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    Chief Justice Roberts: “It Is Not Our Job to Protect the People From the Consequences of Their Political Choices”

    A clear message from Roberts -- Now we must vote the liar in the WH out!!
  • flaca BN-0 2012/06/28 17:09:10
    Yes
    flaca BN-0
    +3
    the tax doesn't affect most people. The only people who will pay it are the spongers who expect other people to pay for their healthcare.
  • Jackie ... flaca BN-0 2012/06/28 17:32:07
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    Umm, some of us actually read the bill - there are 19 new taxes and now the mandate tax - we will all get soaked on this one
  • flaca BN-0 Jackie ... 2012/06/28 17:44:24
    flaca BN-0
    +1
    why would you get the mandate tax if you buy insurance? Are you one of those spongers who relies on the rest of us to cover your insurance just in case you get a tree fall on your head and end up for 6 weeks in a hospital in a coma?
  • Wag flaca BN-0 2012/06/28 17:45:55
    Wag
    thats what I'm sayin...
  • Jackie ... Wag 2012/06/28 18:55:25
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    So ou too want the destruction of the middle class - ridiculous
  • Wag Jackie ... 2012/06/28 19:11:33
    Wag
    I'm a Democrat I sam doing all I can to prevent the demise of the middle class
  • Jackie ... Wag 2012/06/29 14:34:47
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    Obamacare now stands as a highly regressive tax on middle- and lower-income families, a tax on jobs, a tax on youth, a tax on health, a tax on freedom of choice. In his decision, Justice Roberts wrote, “It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.” This includes Mr. Obama and the congressional Democrats who voted for the Obamacare tax increase.
  • kir Wag 2012/06/29 14:35:52
    kir
    Both the Republicans and the Democrats are elitist authoritarians who destroy the middle class in order to increase their own power; almost nothing either party does benefits the middle class and in general what they both do harms the middle class.
  • Jackie ... flaca BN-0 2012/06/28 18:53:49
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    There ae 19 other new taxes in the bill -

    No I am well off, and I will never be faced with this crap --- I do, however know how it will affect the entire middle class and am deeply concerned about the destruction of same.
  • kir flaca BN-0 2012/06/28 17:33:15
    kir
    No, it effects every member of the middle class who does not have enough money available to pay their expenses as is thanks in part to the shoddy economy generated by government meddling.
  • flaca BN-0 kir 2012/06/28 17:45:26
    flaca BN-0
    if you are unable to afford even basic insurance you go onto the govt. fall-back.
  • kir flaca BN-0 2012/06/28 17:51:20
    kir
    +1
    Only if the government thinks you can't afford it--the government doesn't really care about the middle class and in fact wants to destroy it to gain more power. The threshold is well below the middle class and therefore if you are a middle class wage earner who happens to have expenses that are near or even above your income--too bad--new tax.
  • Jackie ... flaca BN-0 2012/06/28 18:54:56
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    Who the hell do you think will be paying - the government has no money - they have our money
  • mwg0735 2012/06/28 16:48:27
  • kir mwg0735 2012/06/28 16:49:55
    kir
    What does that have to do with my idea of forcing a good faith advertising of a bill?
  • mwg0735 kir 2012/06/28 17:58:06
  • KrSpo 2012/06/28 16:40:25 (edited)
    No
    KrSpo
    To use of the word advertised is mis-leading.

    For any law to be considered on it's merits, whether in Congress, at the WH, or through SCOTUS. Attached to the bill, there is an analysis of what the bill does and it's intentions. This is how bills are classified before being voted on. No matter what a short narrative is, if a tax payer were to read the subject analysis said taxpayer would see the true intent of said bill/law. So by stating Advertising, you nod towards a statement that a politician says to the population and not th actually written intent of the law, correct?
  • kir KrSpo 2012/06/28 16:44:55
    kir
    It's been used since at least the 16th amendment which was advertised as the soak the rich bill.
  • KrSpo kir 2012/06/29 03:41:27
    KrSpo
    OK, but wouldn't you agree that if you want to understand a Bill before it is law, the citizen should read the bill before it is voted on and then contact their Congressmen to voice concerns? "advertising" has been used for a multitude of items through the decades, but he only way to truly know what is being sold, is to view the product.
  • kir KrSpo 2012/06/29 04:19:36
    kir
    I do, but I don't expect everyone to be able to interpret the sometimes complex language in the bill; our representatives are supposed to be just that--people who represent our interests.
  • KrSpo kir 2012/06/29 04:25:39
    KrSpo
    I find the Analysis to be a Cliff's Notes Version. Then if one is interesting, I grab my copy Black's Law Dictionary.
  • ordman 2012/06/28 16:28:17
    No
    ordman
    SCOTUS Fines Obama care Constitutional as a Tax.

    Tomorrow morning this is the flag you will see fly over the White House.

    scotus fines obama care constitutional tax flag fly white house

    The Tree of Freedom, it does thirst!

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