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Should a foreigner with a fake birth certificate and stolen identity social security number who usurped the presidency be prosecuted for espionage and other crimes, not impeached, because impeachment only applies to a U.S. citizen?

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  • Kaleokualoha 2012/06/24 06:20:36 (edited)
    NO [explain why not].
    Kaleokualoha
    +34
    Foreigner? Faked birth certificate? My, what an ACTIVE imagination. You might as well accuse Obama of being a Klingon spy, or claim that the moon landing or Holocaust were faked. No leading conservative is a Birther, which relegates Birtherism to the lunatic fringe.

    Obama is a Natural Born Citizen, in line with Black's and Congressional definition. NOTE: The Minor v Happersett claim is hogwash. For a detailed legal analysis, see http://www.obamabirthbook.com...

    The operative definition within the United States is: "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government" (i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad). — Black’s Law Dictionary, Ninth Edition ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). It is similar to the earlier Black's Law definition: Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad. (Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed., 1991, p.1026) - http://people.mags.net/tonche...

    This is perfectly reflected in a 2011 Congressional Research Service report:

    "The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person wh...






















    &

    Foreigner? Faked birth certificate? My, what an ACTIVE imagination. You might as well accuse Obama of being a Klingon spy, or claim that the moon landing or Holocaust were faked. No leading conservative is a Birther, which relegates Birtherism to the lunatic fringe.

    Obama is a Natural Born Citizen, in line with Black's and Congressional definition. NOTE: The Minor v Happersett claim is hogwash. For a detailed legal analysis, see http://www.obamabirthbook.com...

    The operative definition within the United States is: "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government" (i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad). — Black’s Law Dictionary, Ninth Edition ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). It is similar to the earlier Black's Law definition: Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad. (Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed., 1991, p.1026) - http://people.mags.net/tonche...

    This is perfectly reflected in a 2011 Congressional Research Service report:

    "The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen."
    - http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mi...

    NOTE FOR THOSE WITH IMPAIRED READING COMPREHENSION: Congress says that Natural Born Citizens include "even those born to alien parents"!

    Further, the State of Hawaii already confirmed Obama is a Natural Born Citizen (see http://www.usatoday.com/news/... ), and confirmed that both the short and long form certificates are authentic (see http://hawaii.gov/health/vita... ) . The State has also posted answers to FAQs regarding his certificate at http://hawaii.gov/health/vita... .

    [QUOTE]
    Hawaii Gov. Lingle answers the birthers, who remain surprisingly unconvinced

    Via Joe Kovacs, we have a fresh answer to the birthers from Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle (R), given to -- of all people -- former Michael Jackson confidante Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. The comments come around 77 minutes into this interview, after Boteach asks Lingle about legislation that would protect state employees from having to answer the endless questions about President Obama's birth certificate.

    "You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it's one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it's, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It's been established. He was born here."
    [END QUOTE http://voices.washingtonpost.... ]

    The "faked" birth certificate is a delusion, straight out of Right-Wing Fantasyland. Even Fox News reports expert opinion that the BC is authentic. See: http://www.foxnews.com/politi... ).

    NOTE: Fox's expert subsequently took issue with Fox's "authentic" claim, and posted “In my humble opinion, what I see about how the PDF is built does not prove any falsification. If there was tampering, we must look elsewhere and not how the PDF was created.” ( http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/31... ) Tremblay's double negative ("does not prove any falsification") may be reasonably interpreted as an endorsement.

    Coupled with a similar opinion from The National Review ( http://www.nationalreview.com... ), which also found no evidence of falsification, the consensus from leading conservative media is irrefutable.

    Birther inability to recognize this authenticity suggests they are schizophrenic. Their belief in a grand conspiracy to foist an ineligible Obama upon the nation suggests they are paranoid. Such paranoid schizophrenia is typical among the deluded denizens of Right-Wing Fantasyland (see http://kaleokualoha2878577.ne... ).

    The fact that ALL leading conservatives reject Birtherism indicates that Birthers are on the lunatic fringe, along with Truthers, Holocaust & AGW Deniers, and the Flat Earth Society.

    "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo Galilei (1564 - 1642)
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  • Shadow13 rustysh... 2012/06/26 14:57:59
    Shadow13
    +2
    Congratulations you have just confirmed that the entire birther movement is motivated by racism. Race has nothing to do with bloodline, or behavior, it is all about how others perceive you. Before President Obama came into the spotlight, people did not see him and say "there is that half white half black kid" they saw him as black and treated him as black. You're continuance of racial stereotypes only reveal the kind of people that abide by the Tea Party and their birther friends.
  • RED DAWN Shadow13 2012/07/25 19:27:07
    RED DAWN
    You're the idiot that brought race into this conversation and now you want to call someone a racist.Go look in a mirror and you will see more than a racist.
  • Shadow13 RED DAWN 2012/07/25 19:43:43 (edited)
    Shadow13
    Black is just the color of one's skin. "Oreo" refers to the belief that there is an inherent behavior associated with race. Saying someone has a greater concentration of melanin in their skin is an observation, saying that all people of a certain shade carry inherent qualities that go beyond the color of their skin is racism.

    Look it up.
  • RED DAWN Shadow13 2012/07/25 19:21:48
    RED DAWN
    Another idiot playing the damn race card.
  • The Wrong Guy 2012/06/24 14:48:57 (edited)
    NO [explain why not].
    The Wrong Guy
    +11
    Nah, but I do think America would be 150% better if every single birther did us all the favor of committing suicide. America already looked kinda retarded for voting for George W. Bush a second time; birthers make Americans appear as though we never had a chance to begin with. I mean seriously - were you all just really lurking beneath the surface, hiding in plain sight, waiting for the day to show your ignorance to the world all at once?

    kill yourself
  • Dave The Wro... 2012/06/24 19:02:43
    Dave
    +5
    Here's something to think about. I didn't think we could sink any lower than W as president, but we might wind up with a president who wears magical underwear.
  • Q 2012/06/24 13:52:52
    NO [explain why not].
    Q
    +14
    Here we go again....when will the ignorance and stupidity from these nutters end? stop the insanity gif
  • Wilde~MoonChild ™ 2012/06/24 13:31:23
    NO [explain why not].
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    +12
    I'm guessing you're talking about the President AGAIN! Interesting how all this got past the people who vetted him, because he was vetted. guessing talking president interesting people vetted vetted
  • Muriel Wilde~M... 2012/06/24 13:50:37
    Muriel
    Vetted WHEN? By whom?
  • Wilde~M... Muriel 2012/06/24 14:15:24
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    +8
    LMAO!!! You can't be serious?!?
  • aherbert Wilde~M... 2012/06/24 20:12:43
    aherbert
    +3
    They are serious ... and that is what so disturbing ... so much mental illness in America.
  • Muriel Wilde~M... 2012/06/28 01:10:54
    Muriel
    Do you plan on answering my question? Typical liberals question my question rather than answer it.
  • Wilde~M... Muriel 2012/06/28 14:41:45
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    LMAO.. Typical liberal LMAO.... I did answer your question Einstein... see below!
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/24 12:34:37
    NO [explain why not].
    Lady Whitewolf
    +19
    He was born in Hawaii..... GET OVER IT.

    You birthers get tiresome.
  • ed 2012/06/24 10:13:41
    YES [comment as you wish].
    ed
    and the sooner the better
  • mwg0735 2012/06/24 07:42:38
  • S* 2012/06/24 07:24:03
    NO [explain why not].
    S*
    +13
    you are talking of Obama, he has been vetted.
  • Muriel S* 2012/06/24 13:49:45 (edited)
    Muriel
    When? By whom?
  • Wilde~M... Muriel 2012/06/24 14:46:05
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    +13
    OMG, you are serious?? Okay, do you know how the vetting process works?
    When HRC ran against Obama they had to vet him. Do you think for ONE SECOND the Clinton's would have let him slip through? NO WAY..Hillary thought for sure she was going to be the 1st female president, do you honestly believe if there was something on Obama she wouldn't use it? Give me a break... and when Obama got the nomination do you honestly believe the GOP didn't vet him? LMAO.. the only people saying he wasn't vetted was the nuts on the right, that includes Fox News. Maybe you should read and watch MORE then right-wing lunacy. News papers vetted him as well... do some research and you'll figure it out!
  • S* Wilde~M... 2012/06/24 17:12:15
    S*
    +9
    Forget the Clintons, how about Cheney in the White House, in control of the CIA and FBI for a full year before the election, do you suppose they did not dig into his past? LOL. That convinces me most that Obama is a citizen.
  • aherbert Wilde~M... 2012/06/24 20:14:37
    aherbert
    +2
    They deny the truth ... birthers are pathetic ...
  • BigFig#9 2012/06/24 07:14:18
    NO [explain why not].
    BigFig#9
    +14
    Because your foundational assumptions are based on delusional RWNJ imagination...
  • TheTruth1313 2012/06/24 06:37:36
    YES [comment as you wish].
    TheTruth1313
    Actually, that is an interesting question.
  • Barbara Hasler 2012/06/24 06:27:00 (edited)
    YES [comment as you wish].
    Barbara Hasler
    Since he is would be defined as a domestic enemy by his blatent attempt of trying to overthrow the government and by ignoring the three branches of government which provide the checks and balances against someone like him. He should be tried by a military tribunal, he is the Commander in Chief, and dealt with using their justice.
  • flrdsgns Barbara... 2012/06/24 15:19:12
    flrdsgns
    +6
    Ignoring the three branches? He is one of the branches, so are you saying he ignores himself? You do know what the 3 branches are don't you?
  • Barbara... flrdsgns 2012/06/24 20:28:56
    Barbara Hasler
    I am saying that he ignores the duties and limitations of the executive branch as defined in the Constitution.
  • Kaleokualoha 2012/06/24 06:20:36 (edited)
    NO [explain why not].
    Kaleokualoha
    +34
    Foreigner? Faked birth certificate? My, what an ACTIVE imagination. You might as well accuse Obama of being a Klingon spy, or claim that the moon landing or Holocaust were faked. No leading conservative is a Birther, which relegates Birtherism to the lunatic fringe.

    Obama is a Natural Born Citizen, in line with Black's and Congressional definition. NOTE: The Minor v Happersett claim is hogwash. For a detailed legal analysis, see http://www.obamabirthbook.com...

    The operative definition within the United States is: "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government" (i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad). — Black’s Law Dictionary, Ninth Edition ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). It is similar to the earlier Black's Law definition: Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad. (Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed., 1991, p.1026) - http://people.mags.net/tonche...

    This is perfectly reflected in a 2011 Congressional Research Service report:

    "The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person wh...






















    &

    Foreigner? Faked birth certificate? My, what an ACTIVE imagination. You might as well accuse Obama of being a Klingon spy, or claim that the moon landing or Holocaust were faked. No leading conservative is a Birther, which relegates Birtherism to the lunatic fringe.

    Obama is a Natural Born Citizen, in line with Black's and Congressional definition. NOTE: The Minor v Happersett claim is hogwash. For a detailed legal analysis, see http://www.obamabirthbook.com...

    The operative definition within the United States is: "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government" (i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad). — Black’s Law Dictionary, Ninth Edition ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). It is similar to the earlier Black's Law definition: Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad. (Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed., 1991, p.1026) - http://people.mags.net/tonche...

    This is perfectly reflected in a 2011 Congressional Research Service report:

    "The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen."
    - http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mi...

    NOTE FOR THOSE WITH IMPAIRED READING COMPREHENSION: Congress says that Natural Born Citizens include "even those born to alien parents"!

    Further, the State of Hawaii already confirmed Obama is a Natural Born Citizen (see http://www.usatoday.com/news/... ), and confirmed that both the short and long form certificates are authentic (see http://hawaii.gov/health/vita... ) . The State has also posted answers to FAQs regarding his certificate at http://hawaii.gov/health/vita... .

    [QUOTE]
    Hawaii Gov. Lingle answers the birthers, who remain surprisingly unconvinced

    Via Joe Kovacs, we have a fresh answer to the birthers from Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle (R), given to -- of all people -- former Michael Jackson confidante Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. The comments come around 77 minutes into this interview, after Boteach asks Lingle about legislation that would protect state employees from having to answer the endless questions about President Obama's birth certificate.

    "You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it's one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it's, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It's been established. He was born here."
    [END QUOTE http://voices.washingtonpost.... ]

    The "faked" birth certificate is a delusion, straight out of Right-Wing Fantasyland. Even Fox News reports expert opinion that the BC is authentic. See: http://www.foxnews.com/politi... ).

    NOTE: Fox's expert subsequently took issue with Fox's "authentic" claim, and posted “In my humble opinion, what I see about how the PDF is built does not prove any falsification. If there was tampering, we must look elsewhere and not how the PDF was created.” ( http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/31... ) Tremblay's double negative ("does not prove any falsification") may be reasonably interpreted as an endorsement.

    Coupled with a similar opinion from The National Review ( http://www.nationalreview.com... ), which also found no evidence of falsification, the consensus from leading conservative media is irrefutable.

    Birther inability to recognize this authenticity suggests they are schizophrenic. Their belief in a grand conspiracy to foist an ineligible Obama upon the nation suggests they are paranoid. Such paranoid schizophrenia is typical among the deluded denizens of Right-Wing Fantasyland (see http://kaleokualoha2878577.ne... ).

    The fact that ALL leading conservatives reject Birtherism indicates that Birthers are on the lunatic fringe, along with Truthers, Holocaust & AGW Deniers, and the Flat Earth Society.

    "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo Galilei (1564 - 1642)
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  • Manwë Kaleoku... 2012/06/24 07:09:03
    Manwë
    +24
    Thank you for putting some sanity into this.
  • Kaleoku... Manwë 2012/06/24 07:47:49
    Kaleokualoha
    +22
    Thank YOU for the kind words!
  • Lady Wh... Manwë 2012/06/24 12:35:45
  • Lady Wh... Kaleoku... 2012/06/24 12:35:36
    Lady Whitewolf
    +16
    Well said
  • aherbert Kaleoku... 2012/06/24 20:16:10
  • gldynmd 2012/06/24 06:10:16
    YES [comment as you wish].
    gldynmd
    +3
    Eventually he will pay for his crimes.
  • Gordon 2012/06/24 06:04:59
    YES [comment as you wish].
    Gordon
    +3
    Hopefully the death penalty would apply for such an O traitor.
  • Kaleoku... Gordon 2012/08/19 02:11:43
    Kaleokualoha
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
  • Gordon Kaleoku... 2012/08/19 02:13:50
    Gordon
    Does that mean that you're an Obama supporter?
  • Kaleoku... Gordon 2012/08/19 02:38:13
    Kaleokualoha
    But of course! He has his faults, but he is superior to the alternative.
  • Gordon Kaleoku... 2012/08/19 14:44:26
    Gordon
    Not for those of us who work for the private sector and pay taxes.
  • Kaleoku... Gordon 2012/08/19 19:07:49
    Kaleokualoha
    Sorry to burst your bubble, Grasshoppa, but it seems that MOST people who work for the private sector and pay taxes disagree:

    [QUOTE]
    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

    Sunday, August 19, 2012

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows President Obama attracting support from 45% of voters nationwide, while Mitt Romney earns the vote from 43%. Five percent (5%) prefer some other candidate, and seven percent (7%) are undecided.

    This is the lowest level of support for Romney since March. So far, in the month of August, support for both Romney and Obama has stayed in a very narrow range between 43% and 47%. See daily tracking history.
    [END QUOTE http://www.rasmussenreports.c... ]

    Further, Obama is the odds-on favorite for Vegas oddsmakers:

    [QUOTE]
    New: Since our last update, the Democrats and Obama have really jumped in the betting odds to be the next U.S. president. Up from -170, the Democrats now sit at -190 which is just short of 1/2 odds. With the Dems going up, the Republicans had to fall. Now sitting at +155 (down from +140), the Republicans would appear to be sliding heading into the last few months before the election but we've seen these odds shift quite a bit since Romney seemingly wrapped up the Republican nomination. In actuali...


    Sorry to burst your bubble, Grasshoppa, but it seems that MOST people who work for the private sector and pay taxes disagree:

    [QUOTE]
    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

    Sunday, August 19, 2012

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows President Obama attracting support from 45% of voters nationwide, while Mitt Romney earns the vote from 43%. Five percent (5%) prefer some other candidate, and seven percent (7%) are undecided.

    This is the lowest level of support for Romney since March. So far, in the month of August, support for both Romney and Obama has stayed in a very narrow range between 43% and 47%. See daily tracking history.
    [END QUOTE http://www.rasmussenreports.c... ]

    Further, Obama is the odds-on favorite for Vegas oddsmakers:

    [QUOTE]
    New: Since our last update, the Democrats and Obama have really jumped in the betting odds to be the next U.S. president. Up from -170, the Democrats now sit at -190 which is just short of 1/2 odds. With the Dems going up, the Republicans had to fall. Now sitting at +155 (down from +140), the Republicans would appear to be sliding heading into the last few months before the election but we've seen these odds shift quite a bit since Romney seemingly wrapped up the Republican nomination. In actuality, now might be the best time to bet on Romney to win President simply because of his odds and where he currently stands. If the odds were much lower, it would probably be too risky to wager anything on it. But, right now they're still at the point of being possible and profitable which is what you should look for.
    [END QUOTE http://www.politicalbettingod... ]

    "The first duty of a man is the seeking after and the investigation of truth." - Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC)
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  • gregaj7 2012/06/24 05:55:11
    YES [comment as you wish].
    gregaj7
    +2
    Since he's protected by the Rothschild/Rockefeller Cabal, probably not going to happen. They'll take him out before we can.

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