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Should a Charter School Be Able to Require Students to Take a Pregnancy Test?

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  • Michelle 2012/08/08 23:53:32 (edited)
    No
    Michelle
    +27
    That's ridiculous and demeaning to women. Are they also going to test if the boys have fathered babies?

    That's between the girl, her family, the father, and her doctors. Furthermore, this accomplishes nothing but informing the school that the girl is pregnant-- which is irrelevant. Government funded schools that kick girls out if they fail the test are refusing to provide a girl the education she has a right to get?

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  • ETpro 2012/08/09 15:57:31
    No
    ETpro
    I think the taxpayers funding this for-profit charter school should be allowed to do random drug testing and strip searches on the bunch on bullet heads running the operation. Turnabout is fair play.
  • Racefish 2012/08/09 15:57:28
    Not sure
    Racefish
    I would think it would depend on the structure of the school and whether it was doing this to avoid problems between students and parents.
  • Don Leuty 2012/08/09 15:53:22
    No
    Don Leuty
    +1
    Invasion of privacy.
  • Cal 2012/08/09 15:47:01
    Yes
    Cal
    +1
    Private school, private rules. Is it right? Nope. Are they within their rights? Yup.
  • Sweet-N... Cal 2012/08/09 21:46:46
    Sweet-N-Sour
    They are not private, but I agree, even if they were, it's not right.
    Charter school
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Charter schools are primary or secondary schools that receive public money (and like other schools, may also receive private donations) but are not subject to some of the rules, regulations, and statutes that apply to other public schools in exchange for some type of accountability for producing certain results, which are set forth in each school's charter.[1] Charter schools are opened and attended by choice.[2] While charter schools provide an alternative to other public schools, they are part of the public education system and are not allowed to charge tuition. Where enrollment in a charter school is oversubscribed, admission is frequently allocated by lottery-based admissions systems. However, the lottery is open to all students.[3] In a 2008 survey of United States charter schools, 59% of the schools reported that they had a waiting list, averaging 198 students.[4] Some charter schools provide a curriculum that specializes in a certain field—e.g., arts, mathematics, or vocational training. Others attempt to provide a better and more efficient general education than nearby public schools. Charter school students take state-mandated exams.[5]
    Some charter s...
    They are not private, but I agree, even if they were, it's not right.
    Charter school
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Charter schools are primary or secondary schools that receive public money (and like other schools, may also receive private donations) but are not subject to some of the rules, regulations, and statutes that apply to other public schools in exchange for some type of accountability for producing certain results, which are set forth in each school's charter.[1] Charter schools are opened and attended by choice.[2] While charter schools provide an alternative to other public schools, they are part of the public education system and are not allowed to charge tuition. Where enrollment in a charter school is oversubscribed, admission is frequently allocated by lottery-based admissions systems. However, the lottery is open to all students.[3] In a 2008 survey of United States charter schools, 59% of the schools reported that they had a waiting list, averaging 198 students.[4] Some charter schools provide a curriculum that specializes in a certain field—e.g., arts, mathematics, or vocational training. Others attempt to provide a better and more efficient general education than nearby public schools. Charter school students take state-mandated exams.[5]
    Some charter schools are founded by teachers, parents, or activists who feel restricted by traditional public schools.[6] State-authorized charters (schools not chartered by local school districts) are often established by non-profit groups, universities, and some government entities.[7] Additionally, school districts sometimes permit corporations to manage chains of charter schools. The schools themselves are still non-profit, in the same way that public schools may be managed by a for-profit corporation. Corporate management does not affect the status of a school. In the United States, though the percentage of students educated in charter schools varies by school district, only in the New Orleans Public Schools system are the majority of children educated within independent public charter schools.[8]
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  • Cal Sweet-N... 2012/08/09 22:58:08
    Cal
    Huh, I thought it would be private. After all if you hire a "charter plane or boat" your basically hiring a private individual with that vehicle to take you where you need. :-/
  • Sweet-N... Cal 2012/08/10 01:27:31
    Sweet-N-Sour
    +1
    Oh, yeah, you're right, I never really connected the two situations. Maybe that's why it's such a common misconception. Charter schools operate under a "charter" contract with the school district, thus the name.
  • kir 2012/08/09 15:47:01
    No
    kir
    +3
    Of course this is not okay. This is a violation of privacy rights. The public education system has long since taken the place of parents, and they've become rather abusive parents at that.

    http://politicoid.blogspot.co...
  • burning... kir 2012/08/09 17:25:36
    burningsnowman
    Would you be OK with it if it was fully private?
  • kir burning... 2012/08/09 18:11:30
    kir
    +1
    It's difficult to say. You're not forced to go there, and if it's part of the agreement to go there, then yeah. A private entity has the rights to set conditions. I also think that landlords should be allowed to screen their clients for drugs.
  • freebirdie 2012/08/09 15:40:22
    Yes
    freebirdie
    +1
    http://www.convergemag.com/bl...
    I recommend reading the whole article but I've pulled out these two tidbits that answer the question better than I could.
    Think of a teen who has morning sickness (or all day as I had for all my pregnancies!) and then the possible health issues that arise like gestational diabetes, toxemia, or --anything else. Now think of a teen like that in this environment:
    "A charter school is an elementary or secondary school that can receive public funding, but is freed from some of the rules and regulations that apply to public schools in exchange for some type of accountability for producing a specified result."

    "Charter schools, however, have the ability to hold their students to higher standards, and consistently and fairly enforce rules and consequences. Because the students know exactly what is expected of them, they follow rules, respond to boundaries, ultimately allowing them to achieve at higher levels because all they have to do is focus on achieving. "

    If you want to go to a Charter School, you sign a contract. There are lotteries to get in and not all of the 'studious ones' get chosen.
    How many teen girls do you see walking the halls of their public high schools who are 7-8-or 9 months along? None that I've ever heard of. They get bo...

    http://www.convergemag.com/bl...
    I recommend reading the whole article but I've pulled out these two tidbits that answer the question better than I could.
    Think of a teen who has morning sickness (or all day as I had for all my pregnancies!) and then the possible health issues that arise like gestational diabetes, toxemia, or --anything else. Now think of a teen like that in this environment:
    "A charter school is an elementary or secondary school that can receive public funding, but is freed from some of the rules and regulations that apply to public schools in exchange for some type of accountability for producing a specified result."

    "Charter schools, however, have the ability to hold their students to higher standards, and consistently and fairly enforce rules and consequences. Because the students know exactly what is expected of them, they follow rules, respond to boundaries, ultimately allowing them to achieve at higher levels because all they have to do is focus on achieving. "

    If you want to go to a Charter School, you sign a contract. There are lotteries to get in and not all of the 'studious ones' get chosen.
    How many teen girls do you see walking the halls of their public high schools who are 7-8-or 9 months along? None that I've ever heard of. They get booted out to be home-schooled by the district (depending on the family situation/district). It is an insurance nightmare for the school districts in that if anything, ANYTHING, should happen to the little mom or baby at school, a lawsuit is to be expected.

    Should they be able to drug test? Yes. SHould they have weapons checks--JUST LIKE REGULAR SCHOOLS DO? Yes. Why not pregnancy testing then? They aren't telling the girl to get an abortion (as the public schools encourage), they are just testing and keeping them accountable to their contract.
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  • DJPanicDC 2012/08/09 15:38:12
    No
    DJPanicDC
    But I also don't believe in charter schools,
  • SJG 2012/08/09 15:31:21
    No
    SJG
    +2
    Hell no. It is an infringement against a woman's right and it is illegal when a school accepts any federal funding.
  • arsisi 2012/08/09 15:19:48
    No
    arsisi
    I am sick of the spread of charter schools, which are no better than public schools.
  • voice_m... arsisi 2012/08/09 16:18:36
    voice_matters
    maybe you can offer the link to that study. i understand the libs do not like charter schools because they teach. they also do not like them because the teachers are non-union. 2 things that scare libs.
  • Deb 2012/08/09 14:56:13
    Yes
    Deb
    +1
    Sure,why not? It's no different than the mandatory lice check. Seriously maybe now these ignorant kids will think twice. Besides being made to stay home isn't so bad,there is homeschooling where they can be with their babies...and let's face it,these girls don't have much of a future anyway we have all seen 16 & pregnant
  • SJG Deb 2012/08/09 15:32:08
    SJG
    +1
    With talk like that, you don't have much of a future either!
  • Deb SJG 2012/08/10 02:21:44
    Deb
    It's so bright I gotta wear shades babe. There are millions of advantages to not being a teen mom...these girls can't even figure out how to work birth control, they will earn minimum wage at best. Like it or not this is the reality for them..at least til the kid gets older. This generations problem is the lack of shame and responsibility
  • SJG Deb 2012/08/10 11:38:13
    SJG
    Your lights are on but no one is home.
  • Deb SJG 2012/08/10 14:46:19 (edited)
    Deb
    Whatever you say darlin. You can't even come up with a good rebuttal without throwing insults like a child. This subject matter doesn't even concern you considering that a male urinating on a hcg test would be useless. At least my lights are on,I assure you I'm home,I just don't want to answer the door to little girl scouts. Your horn works...try the lights once in a while
  • Michelle Deb 2012/08/14 01:42:36
    Michelle
    The difference between a lice check and a pregnancy check is that a student with lice will give other students lice... I'm pretty damn sure that pregnancy isn't catchy.
  • life's big ? 2012/08/09 14:51:55
    No
    life's big ?
    +2
    why does every one want to get all up in our vaginas
  • nate 2012/08/09 14:43:24
    No
    nate
    +1
    why would being pregnant have anything to do with going to a school or not. That isn't their problem. They don't have to pay any money for the pregnancy.
  • freebirdie nate 2012/08/09 15:05:53
    freebirdie
    +1
    No they don't have to pay any money for the pregnancy-- but if anything should happen to the teen mom or baby, they can be sued.
  • voice_m... nate 2012/08/09 16:20:03
    voice_matters
    glad to see you went to one of those lib schools that do not teach. if a student gets pregant it means sooner or later that student will stop coming ot school. sorry libby but it does have everything to do with going to school or not
  • captainquiggle 2012/08/09 14:34:27
    Not sure
    captainquiggle
    If that school provides birth control, they should be allowed to ask the family to look into the probability of their child being pregnant.

    Should they test on school grounds? No.
  • Ginny 2012/08/09 14:29:24
    No
    Ginny
    Hell no.
  • AM 2012/08/09 14:25:52
    Not sure
    AM
    It all depends on their charter and the state Here in Ct. charter schools receive approx 1/2 what public schools do per student.There are very strict standards that must be maintained by the school for the allocated funds. Maintaining curriculum set by the state and CAPT test scores mostly.If it's a start up they have to have their charter renewed annually in session testifying before the state legislature with all accompanying documentation.
  • Sterling 2012/08/09 14:21:30
    Not sure
    Sterling
    Probably not but I haven't thought of every possible scenario or reason.
  • serethiel 2012/08/09 14:09:22
    No
    serethiel
    +1
    "suspect" students? really? what business is it of theirs? that's not okay.
  • jeremyperryfranz 2012/08/09 14:00:13
    Not sure
    jeremyperryfranz
    +1
    It depends on who gets to hold the pee stick depends hold pee stick
  • Deb jeremyp... 2012/08/09 14:57:27
  • voice_m... jeremyp... 2012/08/09 16:20:44
    voice_matters
    anbother ignorant lib blocked
  • Cat 2012/08/09 13:56:00
    Yes
    Cat
    +1
    Only if it understood as a school requirement before students apply there.
  • Sarina 2012/08/09 13:47:11
    No
    Sarina
    I really do not think that they have the right to do so. It is not fair to all the students in the school, because some kids are not sexually active yet. Look like they should have to get some kind of permission from the parents in order to do so.
  • notokand 2012/08/09 13:43:23
    No
    notokand
    Why would they? What is the purpose?
  • Moonage 2012/08/09 13:39:04
    Yes
    Moonage
    +2
    They have the right to ask, the student has the right to go to another school.
  • fluer 2012/08/09 13:31:25
    No
    fluer
    The mission of Education is to teach and this does not say unless they are pregnant. But I have seen Charter schools reject kiddos because their test scores were low even though those kiddos met all the criteria for admission. They want to take only the highest scores and leave the others behind so they can say Hey look we have a 100% pass rate look how great we are. Heaven help a child who has Behaviors or a learning disability they are not even considered. Somehow this is not right every child should be offered the chance and the Charters should be willing to teach them.
  • gunner 2012/08/09 13:30:54
    Yes
    gunner
    In truth, I agree with the voters who said no. BUT , when a parent sends their child to a public school, the parent gives up the parental rights. If they had any regardless of where the child attends sch.. Which also in reality, it`s a question of who controls the children. The Gov. claims ultimate control, but demands responsibility from the parent to make sure the child submits. The gov. can and will and has held parents responsible for children who do not submit. I think the kids, while to young and inexperienced to understand, act out their frustrations.No one listens. Then there are those from broken homes, abused, etc.
  • Atlas 2012/08/09 13:03:34
    No
    Atlas
    +3
    No. Charter schools aren't privately held organizations, and receive most of their funding in the form of state taxpayer money along with donations thus should not be able to implement special rules such as specific bodily testing.

    If it were a private school (or a completely privately funded charter applicant) and was accountable to it's own board of directors and stakeholders they can have whatever absurb entry requirements they like.

    The admissions lottery is painstaking enough for the families and potential students involved, but due to funding shortcomings is an unfortunate necessity.

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