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Should 17-Year-Old Get the Death Penalty?

News 2011/07/20 19:15:31
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Tyler Hadley is a 17-year-old Florida resident who was charged this week with two counts of second degree murder after the bodies of his parents were found hidden away in their house.

Reports are claiming he beat them to death with a hammer, hid the bodies, then threw a house party.

ABC News reports that prosecutors are seeking first degree murder charges, but they don't expect to be able to give him the death penalty because of his age.

If Hadley is charged with two counts of first degree murder, it could land him in prison for life without opportunity for parole.

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  • John 2011/07/20 19:49:14
    Yes
    John
    +33
    If he doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, moral and immoral, at 17, he never will.

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  • GaolBlaze sm237 2011/08/28 00:22:31
    GaolBlaze
    It IS wrong and it SHOULD be severely punished, but people like you have created a huge grey area around murder by promoting the death penalty! What if this poor boy has been taught that murder is wrong, but murder for the death penalty is ok because the people have done something wrong, his parents did something wrong and his brain told him what he had to do was murder them for it? What if he lashed out because he had a severe mental disability? "this is not a grey area it's murder" in your own words. Murder should not be a grey area, but having the death penalty creates one. This boy could very well need special care, not death, and it's cruel of you to suggest such a thing. You say "punishable by DEATH" as if it is such a bad thing, and yet you throw it around. Life is precious, an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind, you're just causing more pain and upset by murdering this boy, and yet his murder is a good thing and the murders he committed deserve murder in return? That is a grey area I do not accept and you said you don't accept either, and yet you're helping it exist by suggesting this boy be murdered too.
  • sm237 GaolBlaze 2011/08/31 23:23:22
    sm237
    +1
    sorry...we will just have to agree to disagree.
  • steffanitto 2011/08/10 15:30:13
    No
    steffanitto
    I know what he did was wrong but can't they wait till he;s legally an adult.
  • GaolBlaze steffan... 2011/08/25 21:52:38
    GaolBlaze
    But why murder him at all?
  • steffan... GaolBlaze 2011/09/01 18:27:13
    steffanitto
    am just going with the flow.You are right anyway.
  • billols... GaolBlaze 2013/06/16 07:47:57
    billolsen89
    +2
    why not? if any case qualified for the death penalty, it's this one, if the guy is guilty.
  • GaolBlaze billols... 2013/06/17 19:53:36
    GaolBlaze
    Murder is wrong in all cases. Just because someone tells you to take a life doesn't make it right. The death penalty is murder just as much as any other.
  • patty 2011/08/10 15:14:42
    Yes
    patty
    he he is old enough to do the crime then he is old enough to do the time
  • TRA patty 2011/08/11 04:36:02
    TRA
    +1
    something has gone terribly wrong in these kids life. Casey Anthony has some mental problems server mental problems. I think she knows more, and It has too do with her parents. some how Casey is scared to tell the whole story in fear of her parents. It obvious That casey's parent do not like her. The parents had something to do with it. and This young man, if a 5 year old stabs his baby sister should he get the death penalty? he knows it is wrong.this kid needs some serious help. just killing him may get him away from society, but what about the other children out there that has Mental Illness. should we kill them?
  • patty TRA 2011/08/22 03:02:13 (edited)
    patty
    no i blame it on the govenment when they took the parenting away from the parents there is a big differents in correcting a child and beating one all his parents did was take a game away from him do u think they wanted to die because of it and again why would a 5 year old able to get a holed of a knife in less he had parents that didnt care
  • Death Faerie 2011/08/10 13:01:37
    Undecided
    Death Faerie
    It depends on the situation. Did his parents abuse him? Badly? If this is the case, he should be punished and given help, but not the death penalty.

    However, if he just killed his parents because he couldn't have his way, then yes, he should get the death penalty.
  • GaolBlaze Death F... 2011/08/25 21:54:23
    GaolBlaze
    Why? Haven't enough people died already? Especially in that one family? Why keep this endless circle going?
  • Death F... GaolBlaze 2011/08/27 02:09:02
    Death Faerie
    We don't need people like that in our society.
  • GaolBlaze Death F... 2011/08/28 00:32:58
    GaolBlaze
    But aren't you doing the same thing? You say his murders are cruel, and yet you murder him? Why is one murder ok and the other not? How do you know that being told one murder is ok and another is bad is not how he thought this was ok? Or how this whole thing happened? I'm actually disgusted by your comments. "We don't need people like that in our society." It's so cold, cruel and harsh! How you can say that with no apparent shame is just despicable.
  • Death F... GaolBlaze 2011/08/28 17:08:26
    Death Faerie
    Killing INNOCENT people is wrong. If he was abused, killing his parents is wrong, but understandable. I would suggest him being committed and jail time. If he killed his parents just for the fun of it or because he didn't get his way, what's to stop him from killing others? YOU are despicable for caring more for a killer than the innocents. Perhaps you need some prison time for even stating this...what's to stop you from killing the innocent? No matter, I'm blocking your ass now. You are sick.
  • Xerxes 2011/08/10 12:33:10
    Yes
    Xerxes
    can't do the time, don't do the crime
  • GaolBlaze Xerxes 2011/08/25 21:56:27
    GaolBlaze
    Maybe he doesn't understand. And there is no time, time is one thing. brutal murder is another. Jail, sure, if there's a serious problem, but murder? The reason he's being murdered is he murdered two other people... An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind! Murder is just wrong and it's disgusting that you can try and justify it with your silly little rhyme!
  • Brosia 2011/08/10 04:31:19
    Yes
    Brosia
    His age is secondary. He knew what would happen when he beat his parents with a hammer. He knew that they could, and probably would, die. He knew it was wrong because hid the bodies before throwing the party. This was planned, deliberate, and malicious.
  • GaolBlaze Brosia 2011/08/25 22:00:28
    GaolBlaze
    But what if he DIDN'T? He could have SERIOUS problems and people like you aren't helping! Maybe hiding the bodies was, in his eyes, cleaning up. Maybe, he was taught "Right and wrong, black and white, no middle ground." and maybe he was taught that "The death penalty doesn't count as murder because it was deserved, the people did something wrong first." He sees his parents doing something "wrong" and he says "They must pay the price, they know right and wrong, I must kill them, it's my duty to my country." or something ridiculous like that. Then, as he was taught, he cleaned up, trying to do the "right" thing. He's sent the wrong message by people justifying murder! And what you're doing by trying to end this poor boy's life can only be called "Planned, deliberate and malicious" murder.
  • tariq alabsi 2011/08/07 14:33:47
    Undecided
    tariq alabsi
    +1
    His dead parents share in what he turned to be, so I think he should be treated, and I am sure the rest of he coming life will be more measurable then killing hem
  • billols... tariq a... 2013/06/16 07:48:56
    billolsen89
    +3
    I'll treat the lovely sweet boy. I'll treat him with strychnine and cyanide.
  • frjm 2011/08/07 13:32:28
    Yes
    frjm
    Based on the information provided, this animal should be removed from society. It is consuming air and resources which we could use in more beneficial ways.

    frjm
  • GaolBlaze frjm 2011/08/25 22:15:51
    GaolBlaze
    HE'S the animal? Maybe he had that opinion of his parents? Or, more likely, he has a mental problem, doesn't know any better, and deserves love, proper guidance and special care rather than a brutal end to his short, painful, life.
  • frjm GaolBlaze 2011/10/24 15:29:21
    frjm
    jnrmluver

    Surely you aren't serious?????
  • GaolBlaze frjm 2011/10/26 20:08:01
    GaolBlaze
    Ok, I completely agree that he was in the wrong, I just feel you're taking the wrong approach to dealing with it. It's complete hypocricy among other things and you're just blindly saying to kill someone, to end someone's life, and you don't know anything about them, just this one detail. For all you know, it could be manslaughter. All I'm saying is that no-one needs mixed signals and outright cruelty. Show that this is wrong, but not by doing the same back. You don't show a child that hitting is wrong by hitting, you do it by talking. Murder is on a larger scale so the punishment should be too, but violence is NOT the answer and definitely not murder.
  • frjm GaolBlaze 2011/11/07 01:24:48
    frjm
    jnrmluver
    After reading your attempt to insult those of us who support the death penalty, my first impression was; "surely this person is not that stupid, there must be an underlying reason for someone to spout such non-sense". Then I concluded you must be a liberal progressive who has self engrandized yourself to believe your intelligents and morals far exceed those of the masses.

    The post offered evidence which is controversial. Since no trial has occurred and Hadley has not been found guilty or innocent, all posts relating to Mr. Hadley are hypothetical. Hopefully you have understood the preceeding submission. Now stay with me for a few more seconds. The question presented was "should a 17 year old get the death penalty"? I maintain (now listen carefully) if he is found guilty of murder as described, he should be put to death. I will give him the same compassion he gave his parents.

    You comment your agreement that he was wrong, and naviely suggest that the death penalty is cruel without even considering the barbarous cruelty this animal inflected on his parents. I submit anyone capable of such cruelty does not deserve to live and in my world he/she would not.

    Hadleys has a right to a fair trial and his parents had a right to live. No good can come from keeping this a...





































































































































    jnrmluver
    After reading your attempt to insult those of us who support the death penalty, my first impression was; "surely this person is not that stupid, there must be an underlying reason for someone to spout such non-sense". Then I concluded you must be a liberal progressive who has self engrandized yourself to believe your intelligents and morals far exceed those of the masses.

    The post offered evidence which is controversial. Since no trial has occurred and Hadley has not been found guilty or innocent, all posts relating to Mr. Hadley are hypothetical. Hopefully you have understood the preceeding submission. Now stay with me for a few more seconds. The question presented was "should a 17 year old get the death penalty"? I maintain (now listen carefully) if he is found guilty of murder as described, he should be put to death. I will give him the same compassion he gave his parents.

    You comment your agreement that he was wrong, and naviely suggest that the death penalty is cruel without even considering the barbarous cruelty this animal inflected on his parents. I submit anyone capable of such cruelty does not deserve to live and in my world he/she would not.

    Hadleys has a right to a fair trial and his parents had a right to live. No good can come from keeping this animal alive. You misplace you compassion on the murderer, I place my compassion on the victims current and those potentially in the future. Yes I know they say without parole, but some of these murders have escaped and further why should the taxpayers be held to support anmals like Hadley.

    I provide the following list just because.

    A SHORT LIST OF MURDERERS RELEASED WHO MURDERED AGAIN
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    John McRae -- Michigan/Florida. Life for murder of 8-year-old boy. Pedophile. Paroled 1971. Convicted of another murder of a boy after parole, in Michigan 1998. Charges pending on 2 other counts in Florida.
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    John Miller -- California. Killed an infant 1957, convicted of murder, 1958. Paroled 1975. Killed his parents 1975. Life term 1975.
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    Michael Lawrence -- Florida. Killed robbery victim. Life term, 1976. Paroled 1985. Killed robbery victim. Condemned 1990.
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    Donald Dillbeck -- Florida. Killed policeman in 1979. Escaped from prison in 1990, kidnapped and killed female motorist after escape. Condemned 1991.
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    Edward Kennedy -- Florida. Killed motel clerk. Sentenced to Life. Escaped 1981. Killed policeman and male civilian after prison break. Executed 1992.
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    Dawud Mu'Min -- Virginia. Killed cab driver in holdup. Sentenced 1973. Escaped 1988. Raped/killed woman 1988. Condemned 1989. Executed 1997.
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    Viva Nash -- Utah/Arizona. Two terms of life for murder in Utah, 1978. Escaped in 1982. Murdered again. Condemned in Arizona, 1983.
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    Randy Greenawalt -- Escaped from Prison in 1978, while serving a life sentence for a 1974 murder. He then murdered a family of 4 people, shotgunning them to death, including a toddler.
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    Norman Parker -- Florida/D.C. Life term in Florida for murder, 1966. Escaped 1978. Life on another count of murder in 1979.
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    Winford Stokes -- Missouri. Ruled insane on two counts of murder 1969. Escaped from asylum, 1978. Murdered again. Executed for this murder, 1990.
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    Charles Crawford -- Missouri. Life term in 1965 for murder. Paroled 1990. Convicted of murder again in 1994.
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    Jack Ferrell -- Florida. Committed Murdered 1981. 15 years to life, 1982. Paroled 1987. Murdered again 1992. Condemned 1993.
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    Timothy Buss -- Murdered five-year-old girl. Sentenced to 25 years in 1981. Paroled 1993. Murdered 10-year-old boy. Condemned 1996.
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    Martsay Bolder -- Missouri. Serving a sentence of life for first-degree murder in 1973. Murdered prison cellmate 1979.
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    Henry Brisbon, Illinois. Murdered 2 in robbery. Sentenced to 1000- 3000 years. Killed inmate in prison 1982. Sentenced to DP. Commuted by Governor Ryan.
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    Randolph Dial -- Oklahoma. Life for murder 1986. Escaped from prison with deputy warden's wife as kidnap victim. 1989. Still at large. Warden's wife never found.
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    Arthur J. Bomar, Jr. -- released from prison in Nevada on parole in 1990. Bomar had served 11 years of a murder sentence for killing a man over an argument about a parking space. Six years later in Pennsylvania, Bomar brutally kidnapped, raped and murdered George Mason University star athlete Aimee Willard.
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    Dwain Little -- Oregon. Raped/Stabbed 16-year-old girl. Life term 1966. Paroled 1974. Returned as Parole Violator 1975. Again Released 1977. Then shot family of 4. Three consecutive life terms for rape and murder 1980.
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    Arthur Shawcross (The 'Monster of the Rivers') -- Released after serving a 25 year sentence for a child murder, turned to murdering prostitutes. At least 10 in all. Now serving ten consecutive sentences of 25 years to life - 250 years in all.
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    Samuel D. Smith -- in prison for murdering Zita Casey, 79, during a burglary in St. Louis in 1978. While in prison he murdered another inmate, Marlin May, during a knife fight in 1987 in prison.
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    Darrell P. Pandeli -- After being released from prison after a conviction for murder, Pandeli murdered a prostitute, cut off her nipples and flushed them down the toilet. Now on DR in Arizona for that second recidivist murder.
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    Chad Allen Lee -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Released and went on murder spree. Murdering Linda Reynolds, a pizza delivery person, and 9 days later robbed and murdered David Lacey, a taxi cab driver. Lee then robbed a mini-market 7 days after than. Shooting the owner, Harold Drury, multiple times without reason.
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    Scott Lehr -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. After release, between Feb 91 and Feb 92 lured 10 different female victims, between the ages of 10 and 48-years-old, into his car. Raping and beating them unconscious, stripped and adandoned them in the desert. Three of his victims died in those acts.
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    James Erin McKinney -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. Then murdered Christine Mertens in a home invasion robbery. Later murdered James McClain in another separate home invasion robbery.
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    Michael Murdaugh -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. After release murdered David Reynolds. Beating him to death. When 'dumping' the body, Murdaugh severed Reynold's head and hands, pulled out his teeth, and buried the body parts.
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    Charles Daniels -- was convicted and sentenced to Life for the 1965 rape and murder of a Louisiana woman. Later having his sentence commuted, he was release. And he again killed another woman, 32-year-old Debbie Tatum.
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    Jarmarr Arnold -- who, while on DR, murdered another DR inmate by stabbing him in the forehead with a sharpen spike. Proving that not even a death sentence can prevent murder until the sentence is carried out.
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    Robert Lee Massie -- Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman, which resulted in him committing further new murders.
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    Kenneth McDuff - Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman. Subsequently released, and murdered as many as 19 young women after his release. Finally executed in 1998 for the murder of Melissa Ann Northrup see ... Who once remarked "Killing a woman is like killing a chicken. They both squawk."
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    Darryl Kemp -- Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman. Subsequently released. Authorities now say he raped and strangled a woman jogging, less than 4 months later.
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    Timothy Hancock -- Serving a life sentence for a murder he committed in 1990, murdered his cellmate, Jason Wagner, in November 2000, while serving his life sentence.
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    Howard Allen -- murdered an elderly woman.. Opal Cooper, in Aug 1974, and was sentenced to 21 years in prison. By January 1985, less than ten years after being incarcerated, Howard Allen was released. On May 20, 1987 Howard Allen broke into the home of eighty-seven year old Laverne Hale, and savagely beat her to death. Six weeks later Allen struck again. On July 13, 1987 Howard Allen knocked on the door of Ernestine Griffin. At lunchtime the following day she was found murdered. On June 11, 1988 Allen was found guilty was found guilty of Ernestine’s murder.
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    Melvin Geary -- originally sentenced to L wop, for the stabbing death of a woman in 1973 with a boning knife. Changed to Life.. released... After his release, Geary was subsequently convicted of murdering 71-year-old Edward Colvin of Sparks, again with a boning knife after Colvin took him in.
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    William Coday Jr. -- convicted of murdering 19-year-old Lisa Hullinger in September 1978. After spending just 15 months in a German prison, he was released. In April 2002, he was convicted of having murdered Gloria Gomez on 13 July, 1997.
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    Corey R. Barton -- In 1983 he murdered 16-year-old Shari-Ann Merton. He received 18 years in prison. He was released after serving 9 years and 8 months. In November 1998, he murdered 27 year-old Sally Harris of North Carolina.
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    Cuhuatemoc Hinricky Peraita -- Rainbow City, Alabama, who was serving life without parole for 3 murders in Gadsden, Alabama was found guilty of capital murder for murdering a fellow inmate.
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    James Prestridge -- Sentenced to L wop, for murdering Esfandiar Ateighechi, as he begged for his life in 1989. Escaped from prison along with John Doran. After their escape Prestridge murdered his fellow-escapee John Doran, shooting him in the back of the head.
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    Jimmy Lee Gray -- who was free on parole from an Arizona conviction for killing a 16-year-old high school girl, kidnapped, sodomized, and suffocated a three-year-old Mississippi girl.
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    Jack Henry Abbott, who had murdered a fellow prison inmate, was released early from a Utah prison. On July 18, 1981, six-weeks after his release, Abbott stabbed actor Richard Adan to death in New York.
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    Benny Lee Chaffin, on December 7, 1984 kidnapped, raped, and murdered a 9-year-old Springfield, Oregon girl. He had been convicted of murder once before in Texas, but not executed.
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    Thomas Eugene Creech, who had been convicted of three murders and had claimed a role in more than 40 killings in 13 states as a paid killer for a motorcycle gang, killed a fellow prison inmate in 1981 and was sentenced to death.
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    Wayne Henry Garrison, 42, was convicted of 1st-degree murder in the death of Justin Wiles 13, of Tulsa. As a teenager, Garrison had killed two children in Tulsa. Police earlier said the circumstances of those killings were similar to Justin's death.
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    Tommy Arthur -- sentenced to die in Alabama's electric chair for killing Troy Wicker in a 1982 murder for-hire scheme in Muscle Shoals. Arthur had already been convicted in 1977 of killing the sister of his common-law wife. He had been sentenced to life for that murder.
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    Robert Lynn Pruett -- a convicted killer already serving a life sentence, fatally stabbed prison guard Daniel Nagle with a sharpened rod while patrolling the Texas Department of Criminal Justice McConnell Unit near Beeville in South Texas. It was the first fatal attack on a Texas corrections officer since guard Minnie Houston was stabbed to death in 1984 by an inmate at the Ellis Unit near Huntsville, a prison official said.
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    Miguel Salas Rodriguez -- charged in the murder of a sheriff's deputy. Sgt. David M. Furrh, 40, in Dec 2000. Rodriguez had a December 1973 conviction of homicide without malice, for which he was sentenced to five years in prison. And yet ANOTHER conviction for murder in April 1979, for which he was sentenced to 70 years in prison. Rodriguez was paroled in October 1989.
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    Bennie Demps --condemned to the DP for the 1976 murder of Alfred Sturgis, a prison snitch. Originally, Demps was sent to death row for the murders of R.N. Brinkworth and Celia Puhlick, who were fatally shot in a Lake County citrus grove. A year after Demps was sent to death row, the U.S. Supreme Court threw out capital punishment across the country, ruling death sentences had been imposed in an arbitrary way. Another failure of the Furman-commuted murderers.
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    Leroy Schmitz -- convicted of strangling his live-in girlfriend in 1986, during an argument. He was sentenced to 18-20 years for that homicide. He was later convicted of murdering his wife, in Whitefish, Montana in 1999.
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    Vernon Sattiewhite -- In 1977, Sattiewhite had been sentenced to five years for a murder but was paroled two years later and granted clemency. In 1984, he was convicted of robbery and sentenced to two years in prison but was paroled after less than six months. Soon after he murdered his ex-girlfriend, Sandra Sorrell.
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    Tomas G. Ervin -- Sentenced to death in 1990, after conviction of the December 1988 murders of Mildred L. Hodges, 75, and her son, Richard E. Hodges. Bert Hunter, who was arrested along with Ervin pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder charges. Hunter and Ervin had met in the Missouri State Penitentiary, where they were both serving life sentences for previous murders.
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    William Michael "Billy the Kid" Mason -- killed his wife three weeks after he was paroled on another murder conviction.
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    Daniel Joe Hittle -- convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death for murdering a police officer Hittle, 40, was described by witnesses as a man who gleefully killed or tortured animals and who routinely beat women and children. He was on parole for the killings of his adoptive parents in Minnesota when he shot Garland police officer Gerald Walker during a traffic stop. Hittle then sped to East Dallas, where he fatally shot Mary Alice Goss, 39; Richard Joseph Cook Jr., 36; Raymond Scott Gregg, 19; and Goss' 4-year-old daughter Christy Condon.
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    Tony Walker -- Texas. Convicted of murder in 1978. Sentenced to 5 years. Murdered a 66 year-old woman and her 81 year-old husband in 1992. Jerome Butler -- Found guilty of the shooting of cab driver Nathan Oakley, 67. Oakley had been a Houston cab driver for 30 years. Butler had an extensive criminal history, including a 1959 conviction on two counts of robbery and assault in New York City. Butler had previously served about 10 years of a 30-year sentence after pleading guilty to the murder of A.C. Johnson, 69.
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    Dalton Prejean -- killed a taxi driver when he was 14, . When he was 17, he gunned down a state trooper in Lafayette, Louisiana. Despite protests from the American Civil Liberties Union and other abolitionist groups, Prejean was executed for the second murder on May 18, 1990.
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    Phillip Jablonski -- Carol Spadoni married Jablonski on June 16, 1982, while he was serving a prison sentence for the 1979 murder of his third wife, Melinda Kimball. After she became his pen-pal correspondent in prison. Jablonski murdered his prison pen-pal wife and her mother. And the day before those murders he had murdered Fathyma Vann, 38, in Indio, about 25 miles from Palm Springs, Vann was found shot and sexually mutilated in the desert with ``I love Jesus'' carved in her back." Now GET THIS -- See... It seems that Phillip Jablonski, now in prison after ALL those murders, placed an ad for a pen-pal -- "Jewish Death Row inmate, white, 51 years old, seeking understanding and open female or male for honest correspondence. Amateur poet, artist. Will answer all correspondence received. PHILLIP JABLONSKI, C-02477/SE95, San Quentin, CA 94974"
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    Jerry Michael Ward -- Originally sentenced to die in the electric chair, for committing murder with malice in the rape and murder of a Houston school girl. His sentence was commuted to life in prison when the U.S. Supreme Court abolished the death penalty in 1972. Although the death penalty was reinstated, the sentence was not. He was subsequently paroled in 1984 after serving 18 years in prison. He was the number one suspect in two new cases, involving the the disappearance of Connie Sue Cooke, and the murder of Brenda Maureen Hackett. But althought police were on the verge of arresting him, Ward committed suicide in a self-inflicted execution.
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    David E. Maust -- Hammond, Illinois. Murdered a 15-year-old boy in 1981. After released murdered three teenage boys, in circumstances similiar to John Wayne Gacy... burying their bodies in concrete in his basement.
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    James Homer Elledge -- sent to prison for life in 1975 after beating a Seattle motel owner to death with a ball-peen hammer. In the years that followed, he won parole 3 times, most recently in August 1995. prosecutors have now charged Elledge with 1st-degree murder for allegedly stabbing and strangling Eloise Jane Fitzner, 47, in a church basement.
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    Zeno E. Sims -- sent to prison for eight years for the murder of a 24-year-old-man. Released on parole, in Kansas City, he then murdered DeAntreia L Ashley, a 15-year-old-girl, after a minor traffic accident.
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    Arthur James Julius -- convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. In 1978, he was given a brief leave from prison, during which he raped and murdered a cousin. He was sentenced to death for that crime and was executed on November 17, 1989.
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    In March 1979, a Graterford (Pa.) prison guard was murdered brutally by an inmate. The inmate -- at the time he murdered the guard -- already was serving a life sentence for the triple murder of two infants and an elderly woman.
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    In 1994, an inmate who already was serving two life sentences in the Philadelphia Industrial Correctional Center was sentenced to three more after he was convicted of stabbing three prison guards.
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    In 1995, two death-row inmates at the Florida State Prison in Starke were killed by their fellow inmates.
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    In 1999, a Beeville (Texas) prison guard was killed by an inmate already serving a sentence for murder.
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    On November 9, 1983 Associate U.S. Attorney General D. Lowell Jensen told a Senate subcommittee that it is impossible to punish or even deter such prison murders because, without a death sentence, a violent life-termer has free rein "to continue to murder as opportunity and his perverse motives dictate."
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    On October 22, 1983 at the federal penitentiary in Marion, Illinois, two prison guards were murdered in two SEPARATE instances by SEPARATE inmates who were both serving life terms for previously murdering inmates.
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  • GaolBlaze frjm 2011/11/07 17:39:53
    GaolBlaze
    You misunderstood. I don't think I'm more intelligent, I just disagree with the hypocrisy and cruelty. I completely agree that the parents are the victims in this scenario and what their son did WAS cruel. However, he does not need to be called a barbaric animal and what is the cruel act you complain about so much? The act of murder. Of ending a living being's life. So what do you do? You engage in the same act! You do the very same thing and send someone home with a nice fat paycheck! We need to find a way to make people learn, to simply decide that there are no second chances and that this person should just die because there is no way he can in any way improve, to write him off as a lost cause and kill him, that is where the problem is. Tighten security, have people really try and get to know murderers and why they did what they did, find a way to get through to people like this! Prisoners see that they are in jail, now they can do whatever they want, there's nothing worse. We need to sort that out! We need to have levels in jail, a way to be in jail but be learning how to behave in a civilized society. People to learn how to actually get through to murderers. And, if there is no way, if there is someone who truly is a lost cause, then give them a place to stay away from ev...
    You misunderstood. I don't think I'm more intelligent, I just disagree with the hypocrisy and cruelty. I completely agree that the parents are the victims in this scenario and what their son did WAS cruel. However, he does not need to be called a barbaric animal and what is the cruel act you complain about so much? The act of murder. Of ending a living being's life. So what do you do? You engage in the same act! You do the very same thing and send someone home with a nice fat paycheck! We need to find a way to make people learn, to simply decide that there are no second chances and that this person should just die because there is no way he can in any way improve, to write him off as a lost cause and kill him, that is where the problem is. Tighten security, have people really try and get to know murderers and why they did what they did, find a way to get through to people like this! Prisoners see that they are in jail, now they can do whatever they want, there's nothing worse. We need to sort that out! We need to have levels in jail, a way to be in jail but be learning how to behave in a civilized society. People to learn how to actually get through to murderers. And, if there is no way, if there is someone who truly is a lost cause, then give them a place to stay away from everyone else. No-one commits a murder for no reason, and if they do, they have a problem and need to be taken away from society until they can deal with it properly, or else they must stay there. Everyone else can be talked to, reasoned with, and can work up to being civil, it's all a case of education and understanding. You can't stop giving people second chances. Now, I'll admit, if someone DOES commit a murder, I am not in any way saying that they should be released from prison, they must accept the consequences to their actions, but give them something close to society, IN jail. Have a place for murderers who have learned better, so that society doesn't have to worry. Criminals, murderers, rapists, etc. When they are in jail, they don't learn anything, only people who get out know that they don't want to go back, but while they're there, there's nothing GOOD that they learn, they don't have to bother, they're already in jail, they misbehave, there's nothing worse. Give them a jail where they can really use their time, learn, improve, don't just give up on them because they do something wrong. Killing them won't bring back the dead person/people. Hurting them won't make the hurt they've caused go away.
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  • frjm GaolBlaze 2011/11/14 16:37:38
    frjm
    jnrmluver

    You comments suggest I have wasted a lot of words. You envision a world where setting down with criminals and chastising them will lead to their repentance.

    To term the murder of prison guards as misbehaving suggests you have lived a protected life and have not encountered the wrath of criminals. Adhering to gods "turn the other cheek" might be easy for you but I live by the "eye for and eye" version.

    I do not wish violence on any innocent person but I must contend that with your mindset and belief that good exists in all people, you are an easy target.
  • GaolBlaze frjm 2011/11/20 20:25:20
    GaolBlaze
    An eye for an eye is never the answer. I don't feel sitting down and chastising these people is the answer either, they definitely need a life sentence. I just feel that there is a lot of learning to be done for everyone, and why ignore that and instead end a person's life? There must be something going on in a murderer's head that makes them do this, and discussing that and getting to the root could lead to understanding how to avoid future murders. I don't see how saying someone being uncivilized means they cannot be near civilization any more, that gives them no motivation to learn. If we have levels, we could rehabilitate people. Most people never want to go near jail after going once, and these people can never leave, so why not, instead of forgetting about them or killing them, create a mock-civilization for people who try hard and co-operate, and for those who don't, they can stay in the JAIL jail. All living beings respond to 'Carrot and Stick', why are we neglecting the carrot bit? We are taking away someone's life, whether by physically murdering them, or by locking them up forever, either way, this person isn't learning a thing, and so we will always look on them as evil beings. There is always time for redemption, and nothing can ever make these people undo what th...
    An eye for an eye is never the answer. I don't feel sitting down and chastising these people is the answer either, they definitely need a life sentence. I just feel that there is a lot of learning to be done for everyone, and why ignore that and instead end a person's life? There must be something going on in a murderer's head that makes them do this, and discussing that and getting to the root could lead to understanding how to avoid future murders. I don't see how saying someone being uncivilized means they cannot be near civilization any more, that gives them no motivation to learn. If we have levels, we could rehabilitate people. Most people never want to go near jail after going once, and these people can never leave, so why not, instead of forgetting about them or killing them, create a mock-civilization for people who try hard and co-operate, and for those who don't, they can stay in the JAIL jail. All living beings respond to 'Carrot and Stick', why are we neglecting the carrot bit? We are taking away someone's life, whether by physically murdering them, or by locking them up forever, either way, this person isn't learning a thing, and so we will always look on them as evil beings. There is always time for redemption, and nothing can ever make these people undo what they did, but why should we not even give them a chance? If we work through their mental block, we could get them to be better people. Everyone has a good side, no matter how deeply buried, why should we neglect that? Lots of murderers have friends, family, people who love them, what are we doing to them? It's more than just blowing out a candle, it's blowing out one candle, and cutting a chunk out of tonnes of others. An eye for an eye doesn't work when you don't just hurt the criminal. Obviously, there are some people who won't work with it, but all we can do is try.
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  • Michelle Enriquez 2011/08/04 22:30:00
    No
    Michelle Enriquez
    +3
    I personally am not in favor of the death penalty, however I think there needs to be a commitment/sentancing which is identical to death row specifically for cases like this where they are isolated forever, but don't get put to death, no possibility of getting out. At this time there is a huge gap in my oppinion between high security and death row. Some people belong on death row without the eventual ending of their life. Not that they don't deserve it, just that in my oppinion that's not our choice to make.
  • George Worley 2011/08/04 16:24:03
    Undecided
    George Worley
    I am for the death penalty but his age gives me problems.
  • martalucialovesmj4ever 2011/08/04 08:46:14
    Undecided
    martalucialovesmj4ever
    I THINK HE SHOULD GET A LIFE SENTENCE.
    THIS A DOUBLE STANDARD IN MY OPINION

    CASEY ANTHONY WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY FOR KILLING HER LITTLE GIRL VERY SAD
    THAT SHE IS GOING TO WALK AROUND SCOTT FREE .

    CONRAD MURRAY HAS BEEN WALKING AROUND WITH OUT A CARE THIS IS
    SICK THEY ALL THREE SHOULD GET LIFE IN PRISON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Michell... martalu... 2011/08/04 22:38:30
    Michelle Enriquez
    +1
    Yes, Casey Anthony, makes me sick. As disturbing as this boy sounds, we really don't know his past what led him to hate his parents so
    much, or if mental illness is involved, however there is no excuse for Casey Anthony, killing her own child is just disgusting and unimagionable, and she can just go out and have more. I'm not saying this boy isn't seriously deranged because clearly he is, but there is no reason in the world that should make any parent want to kill a healthy child. I'm not saying it's ok to kill an unhealthy child, just that If a child is in chronic extreem pain that is not expected to get better that could drive a parent mad.
  • frjm Michell... 2011/08/07 14:21:55
    frjm
    +1
    This crime occurred in Florida so we already know he will be found innocent. But I offer my comments to challenge your lack of support for the death penality.

    The fact that Casey got away with murder supports a conclusion that people place less value on the life of the victim than the self-manifested rights of the accused. For the bit** casey to get away with murder does not give free rein for everyone to get away with murder. The jury displayed a mentality equal to yours and allowed her to go free. Pity for the murderer won out.

    For anyone to conclude or accept that this animal, Tyler Hadley, has a right to go on living shows a total disregard for the rights of the innocent. Life imprisonment does nothing to show our compassion for the dead nor does it assure us that Tyler Hadley will not kill again. Ever hear of prison breaks???? They do happen and in some cases others die. The only way to assure the safety of the innocent is to dispose of these animals the same way wild animals meet their fate after killing humans----- Kill Them!.

    frjm
  • Michell... frjm 2011/10/12 04:39:03
    Michelle Enriquez
    Being opposed to the death penalty is not why the jury let her go free. First, I highly doubt that everyone on the jury was opposed to the death penalty. Death penalty opponents are a minority. I don't think one or two people on the jury opposed to the death penalty would convince all the others not to convict based on that alone. Second, if the jury's verdict is guilty, they have option to recommend life in prison or the death penalty, but ultimately it is the judge's decision.
  • frjm Michell... 2011/10/24 15:15:20
    frjm
    Michell
    I believe this post actually started out about Tyler Hadley, I used Casey as an analogy of what one could expect from the Florida judiciary. Florida, being one of only a few states which does not require a unanimous verdict for a conviction of murder, is subject to the actions you express.
  • Bubble gum 2011/08/03 23:27:08
    No
    Bubble gum
    wtf! A 17 year old SHOULD NOT get the death penalty!!Even for this crime!
  • frjm Bubble gum 2011/08/07 13:47:12
    frjm
    +2
    Bubble gum

    I am proud to say "You are an Idiot"! The death penalty does two obvious things; 1. it assures us that no other innocent person will die at the hands of this animal, 2. it may serve as a deterent to prevent others from doing the same thing. And if it doesn't deter others they meet the fate as this animal.

    frjm
  • Sophia Bubble gum 2011/11/14 16:34:08
    Sophia
    +2
    Seriously? He's 17 he knows right from wrong.. Plus if he would commit murder at 17 he would probably do it again. This person is not a child and should pay for his actions.
  • Billy 2011/08/03 20:48:27
    Yes
    Billy
    +1
    NO you brace yourself!Yes I am 4 death! If you intentionally Kill someone(the key word here is intentionally) for gain be it drugs or money.This will rid society of this person that did not value life in any way!So why should we pay tax money for him/her to live and trade cigs watch cable have sex and possible kill someone else in prison.This will deter the next person that is going to kill hmmm if I get caught I am going 2 die!?Not ten years of appeals on death row!No when your case is proven that you murdered you die!!! Do not fill the prisons with more scum bags and gangs so that they can still run the drugs and kill on the outside from the inside! Or then they get let out early and kill again!The system does not work!! If nothing changes nothing changes!! The accidental or mentally ill people that kill is jail time.That is not 4 gain!! These people do not give a F#$k about you so stop caring about them!!!!!All you people that are against it(do gooders)If it was your wife,mother,son,daughter,you would be singing a different tune now wouldn't you!! Wake the hell up people!!! Problem solved, Clean it up people!!! If you take life you must give it!

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